Did I purchase illegal copies of Windows 98 SE?

ddeder

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Someone help me out here please. I am in the process of building computers for a couple of family members and I need a LEGAL copy of Windows 98 SE for each computer. I checked at the B&M stores and they all want well over $100. Then I decided to check on the internet and I found that I could buy the OEM version at www.altima2000.com for $75. I ordered four copies.

Then I got to thinking, if they can sell it to me for $75, I wonder how much they paid for it. I started doing some research on the internet and found that OEM versions of the Windows operating system should only be sold with a computer - or at least some type of hardware. I did not order any hardware - just four copies of the operating system. I went to Microsoft's website in order to find out how to tell if you have a legal copy of their operating system. One of the first things I read was that some huge number of software sales over the internet are illegal. If the price seems too good to be true, it probably isn't a legal copy. I called Microsoft to find out what price for Windows 98 SE OEM version would be reasonable.

Microsoft would not give me a price range but basically said that in order to assure that I bought a legal copy, I would have to purchase it from a Microsoft Recommended Distributor. If I bought it from anyone else, it would not be a legal copy unless it was sold pre-loaded onto a computer or at lease sold with some sort of hardware.

In effect, Microsoft is telling me that since I did not purchase any hardware with my software, the software is not a legal copy.

I tried to call Altima2000 to get their take on this but their phone is answered by a machine saying to leave a message and then another voice tells you that messages cannot be left on that system and I am hung up on.

Now I have some questions...

Based on the $75 price, does this sound like I am likely to get used software or pirated software? Is it possible that at this price I will get a sealed OEM version of genuine MS Windows 98 SE software?

Has anyone heard of or used www.altima2000.com? Are they reputable? Am I likely to get nothing at all?

If I do get the software and it appears to be genuinely manufactured by Microsoft and comes with the Certificate of Authenticity label and I am able to register the product does that make it legal? (Actually, I can give you Microsoft's answer to this: NO).

One guy at Microsoft finally looked up some prices for me and told me that I could buy 3 copies of Windows 98 SE from a distributor for $325, or about $108 a copy. Based on that price, I wonder how Altima can sell copies for $75 and not lose money (or be selling illegal copies).

One final question:

If the lowest price that Windows 98 SE can be legally obtained for is about $100, how can e-machines make and sell a computer (733 Celery processor, 64 MB SDRAM, 20 gig HD, CDROM, etc...) preloaded with Windows 98 SE and after rebates only charge $350? Assuming they paid about $100 for the OS that leaves only $250 for the computer. I priced the same system component for component on pricewatch using the cheapest parts I could find and I could just barely build the system for $250. How does e-machines make any money on these??
 

Pyro

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they probably ARE illegal, but what about the actual cds? do they look real? with the M$ logo and all the stuff? compare them with real ones and you will probably be able to see the differences.
 

UberNeuman

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Enjoy your copies of Win98SE and don't sweat it. Microsoft would luvs it if you buy it from them....

By the way - you paid too much for it. Should have used Pricewatch.com - they have listings as as low as $65.
 

BigToque

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well, you have a legit Win98 CD right? If so, the copy of Windows is legal.

The company that sold you the CD was wrong in doing so (they arent allowed to unless you buy hardware), but thats their problem.

Enjoy your OS.
 

ddeder

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Okay, now I have another question...

Microsoft told me that the OEM version of their operating systems are not transferrable. They are meant to be loaded onto one machine and once they are loaded onto that machine, they cannot legally be loaded onto another machine. Once the OS is registered with them, the registration cannot be changed to a new owner.

I see out on pricewatch that companies are selling licenses only (No software included) for $37. Can I assume that these licenses have never been registered? If you have a license that has not been registered, does it matter what CD you use to load the software? Is there a piece of code on the CD which checks to make sure you entered the proper license number?

The real reason I am asking...

I am starting a small business of building computers that I plan to sell to the public. I do not want to load illegal software onto these computers but I want to get the software as inexpensively as possible. Does anyone know what other small town Mom & Pop shop do??

 

Freejack2

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Companies like Dell were paying in the $30's for each copy of win98. Granted all they got was a license for what they were paying but they were buying in massive quantities. ALtima2000 should have made you purchase hardware but seeing as your building systems it's only a technicality. Your fine. Don't worry.
 

Soybomb

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I'm waiting for someone like Russ to come in and help since they have an extra edge in this area :)


<< Microsoft told me that the OEM version of their operating systems are not transferrable. They are meant to be loaded onto one machine and once they are loaded onto that machine, they cannot legally be loaded onto another machine. Once the OS is registered with them, the registration cannot be changed to a new owner. >>

My take on this is maybe thats what MS wants you to think, but I don't agree with that. If I've got a certificate of authenticity with my cd key on it, its legal. I don't care if once someone has registered it that I can't call and get more tech support for the product under my name or not. If I buy a cassette and decide I don't want it anymore, I can sell the cassette to whoever I want and the license for the music on it as well. If you've got certificates of authenticity I think they'd have a hard time doing anything to you.

A hardware purchase with an oem copy of an os could be as simple as a mouse or keyboard. Unless I'm mistaken though the burned of proving that isn't on you, its on altima2000 or whatever if microsoft wants to see why they're selling oem copies with no hardware.
 

RossGr

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I was checking for full install versions of Win98se on ebay last week, seems that if you are patient you could get OEM versions, with a HD (100Mb?) for $50-$60 range.

If you have the original CD, the key, and the COA you have a legal copy.
 

Russ

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ddeder,

OEM copies of 98SE are $87 to $91 each in 3-packs when purchased from a DSP (Distribution Service Partner). If you pay any less, you are getting grey market product.

Is it illegal for you to buy? No. Is it illegal for them to sell? Maybe, maybe not. It depends on whether or not they have any type of agreement with Microsoft.

Bottom line is that counterfeit 98SE is very rare in the US (wasn't the case with 95), so you're probably fine as far as the legitimacy of the product.

Russ, NCNE
 

ddeder

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Would it be legal for me to load one of those &quot;grey area&quot; OS's onto a computer and then sell it to Joe Public? If I am going to resell a Microsoft product, do I need to register with them somehow?
 

Russ

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ddeder,

As long as the product is real, has not been used in a previous install, and you send the CD and manual with the system, it's perfectly legal. No, you don't have to register anything with them unless you want to be part of the OEM System Builder program.

Russ, NCNE
 

DaRockMan

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<< Does anyone know what other small town Mom &amp; Pop shop do?? >>



One of my friends used to work in a mom and pop 'puter shop, and he said they never even purchased a copy of Win98 for the store, let alone do it legally for their customers.