I see you guys getting 500+mhz out of the memory and I can't seem to break 460-470 without artifacts, what's going on?
Did I get a garbage visiontek ti200?
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Sounds like you got a board made before week 44. It seems VT started putting better RAM and possibly a higher yielding core around week 44. You can find the mfg. date on the back of the card. Should be in this format: XX01 where XX is the week it was made.
Chiz
Chiz
If you got into the BB deal, just exchange it.
I had a card dated 4101. Exchanged it and got a 4401. Used to do 225/445. Now it's 220/520
I had a card dated 4101. Exchanged it and got a 4401. Used to do 225/445. Now it's 220/520
Maybe if you write to Visiontec and tell them you can't run their "garbage" card 50% above spec, they'll send you a new one! Or maybe you should go to Best Buy, return it, make honest people do extra work and lose some money so you can have another chance at a better one!
There is a word that applies to people of any race who act like this:
Niqqer.
This "OCer Mentality", that you are somehow entitled to some additional level of performance because you parted with your measly $99 is a joke.
Why don't you be a man and pony up the money for a card that runs as fast as you want it to? People like me drive the economy, people like you destroy it.
There is a word that applies to people of any race who act like this:
Niqqer.
This "OCer Mentality", that you are somehow entitled to some additional level of performance because you parted with your measly $99 is a joke.
Why don't you be a man and pony up the money for a card that runs as fast as you want it to? People like me drive the economy, people like you destroy it.
<< There is a word that applies to people of any race who act like this:
Niqqer.
People like me drive the economy, people like you destroy it. >>
Heh with comments like that, I'm wondering what your contribution to the economy is? White hoods and racial tension?
Anyways, you and Alan Greenspan can argue til your blue in the face about the repercussions of this type of activity that borders on fraud. It can be argued that considerations such as returns and customer service are built-in costs of selling a product at such a high premium over its manufactured cost. You could argue that without such actions occurring in the real world, 200 people at VisionTek would be without jobs in customer service and product support. You could argue that these people being unemployed have a larger negative impact on the economy than 2 or 3 people returning a card only to purchase the same one with the same premium. You could argue that there would be a greater negative impact on the company itself if the person decided not to buy the product in the first place based solely on the fact they had no confidence in future product support and service. You could also argue that a butterfly flapping its wings in Asia causes a tsunami off the coast of Hawaii 10 years later. Truthfully, I don't think Mr. Greenspan could either. But then again, I'm no Alan Greenspan, and I'm pretty sure you're not either (him being Jewish and all). Try sticking to the topic and keep the bigotry off these boards.
Chiz
Maetryx
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The word was used for shock value, and prefaced with a disclaimer indicating that he used it without the racial connotation. Certainly he couldn't have used a more shocking word in today's double-standard racial climate.
If he said the same thing, only said "white trash", not one person would have cared enough to respond about the use of the phrase. And rushing to call Jethro666 a racist AFTER HE SPECIFICALLY disclaimed using the word in a racial fashion is the height of knee-jerk psuedo intellecutal political correctness. "We got ourselves a racist here, boys! And as you know, they's ignorant, hateful and evil!"
If he said the same thing, only said "white trash", not one person would have cared enough to respond about the use of the phrase. And rushing to call Jethro666 a racist AFTER HE SPECIFICALLY disclaimed using the word in a racial fashion is the height of knee-jerk psuedo intellecutal political correctness. "We got ourselves a racist here, boys! And as you know, they's ignorant, hateful and evil!"
"The 1996 edition of Webster's defines "great person" as "1. a black person -- usually taken to be offensive. " 2. a member of any dark-skinned race -- usually taken to be offensive" " 3. a member of a socially disadvantaged class of persons.""
Note definition #3. Note my prefacing said remark with,"There is a word that applies to people of any race who act like this"
The "any race" part rules out definitions #1 and #2, what part of definition #3 do you have a problem with, Chizow?
I stand by my definition of this kind of behavior, someone needs to call it what it IS.
Overdose bought a video card that by his own admission far exceeds it's advertised level of performance. Overdose has heard of other people's cards exceeding this level of performance even further, so what does he do?
He calls the product "garbage" because he doesn't get to steal from the company by purchasing a cheaper version of their product and making it perform like their flagship product.
KatLei tells him " just exchange it.". Who cares that every time people pull this it makes Best Buy re-think their easy exchange policies and consider re-stocking fees like CompUSA has? Who cares if he wastes the customer service person's time, and people with real complaints have to waste their time listening to him lie? Who cares if they have to check out the card, re-pack it, sell it for less money as "open box"? Who cares if the guys who buys it has a weakened product due to thermal migration from Overdose's OC experiments?
Who cares? As long as Overdose gets his $300. worth for $99., that's all that matters, right?
I stand by my remark, again made with no reference whatsoever to people of any racial heritage: Niqqer.
If you prefer: Cracker. Bum. Loser. Slob. Welfare case.
Whatever. This kind of behavior reeks, instead of laughing and endorsing it, we should all be pointing the finger of shame. Maybe if these guys friends had some class there would be two less people abusing the system to the rest of our detriment.
"Heh with comments like that, I'm wondering what your contribution to the economy is? White hoods and racial tension?"
My contribution is about 40% of my household income to the govt., the rest spent or invested. My contribution is not abusing the system, and telling others they should not do the same. I have no affiliation with any racist group, nor do I wish to.
Maetryx:
You and I think much alike on this issue. Kudos to you for taking a very unpopular position in defense of free speech and anti-hysteria.
Note definition #3. Note my prefacing said remark with,"There is a word that applies to people of any race who act like this"
The "any race" part rules out definitions #1 and #2, what part of definition #3 do you have a problem with, Chizow?
I stand by my definition of this kind of behavior, someone needs to call it what it IS.
Overdose bought a video card that by his own admission far exceeds it's advertised level of performance. Overdose has heard of other people's cards exceeding this level of performance even further, so what does he do?
He calls the product "garbage" because he doesn't get to steal from the company by purchasing a cheaper version of their product and making it perform like their flagship product.
KatLei tells him " just exchange it.". Who cares that every time people pull this it makes Best Buy re-think their easy exchange policies and consider re-stocking fees like CompUSA has? Who cares if he wastes the customer service person's time, and people with real complaints have to waste their time listening to him lie? Who cares if they have to check out the card, re-pack it, sell it for less money as "open box"? Who cares if the guys who buys it has a weakened product due to thermal migration from Overdose's OC experiments?
Who cares? As long as Overdose gets his $300. worth for $99., that's all that matters, right?
I stand by my remark, again made with no reference whatsoever to people of any racial heritage: Niqqer.
If you prefer: Cracker. Bum. Loser. Slob. Welfare case.
Whatever. This kind of behavior reeks, instead of laughing and endorsing it, we should all be pointing the finger of shame. Maybe if these guys friends had some class there would be two less people abusing the system to the rest of our detriment.
"Heh with comments like that, I'm wondering what your contribution to the economy is? White hoods and racial tension?"
My contribution is about 40% of my household income to the govt., the rest spent or invested. My contribution is not abusing the system, and telling others they should not do the same. I have no affiliation with any racist group, nor do I wish to.
Maetryx:
You and I think much alike on this issue. Kudos to you for taking a very unpopular position in defense of free speech and anti-hysteria.
Lmao, anyone who uses the term "great person" so freely as a commonly acceptable word for everyday usage is clearly a bigot or just plain ignorant. They must not have any sense of politically correct behavior in your neck of the woods as countless politicians, sports figures and coaches, businessmen and others in the public eye have been crucified for less. The word "niggardly" would have been more appropriate in the context of your portrayal of Katlei's suggestion, yet is that an acceptable word to use in society today? I'm sure you would answer yes, but then again, I care little for bigots. Last time I ran across the word "niggardly" I believe it was in To Kill a Mockingbird, a book written in a different time in a different society. Times have changed buddy, its time to take the Confederate Flag off the General Lee. You seem to be so driven by the business world, next time you're holding a conference call with colleagues and superiors try throwing around the word "great person" in any context and see how you're received.
Bah, whats the point, this type of behavior is so commonplace on the internet; people love to make comments behind the security of their monitors knowing there is no accountability. You throw that word around like its second nature; I'm sure you lack the balls to say it when it matters. As for the argument that you specifically said it isn't directed at any race, that holds as much water as saying "I was just kidding when I yelled 'Fire' in a crowded movie theater". Do I condone this behavior? No, I don't, but do I concern myself with it? What's the point? One lesson I learned early in life is you can only control your own actions; you talk of shame and class, yet using the word "great person" speaks volumes to both. You seem so concerned with other people's bahavior, you should probably take a look in the mirror and start with yourself.
Chiz
Btw, I'm sure your curious. I'm not black, I just despise ignorance.
Bah, whats the point, this type of behavior is so commonplace on the internet; people love to make comments behind the security of their monitors knowing there is no accountability. You throw that word around like its second nature; I'm sure you lack the balls to say it when it matters. As for the argument that you specifically said it isn't directed at any race, that holds as much water as saying "I was just kidding when I yelled 'Fire' in a crowded movie theater". Do I condone this behavior? No, I don't, but do I concern myself with it? What's the point? One lesson I learned early in life is you can only control your own actions; you talk of shame and class, yet using the word "great person" speaks volumes to both. You seem so concerned with other people's bahavior, you should probably take a look in the mirror and start with yourself.
Chiz
Btw, I'm sure your curious. I'm not black, I just despise ignorance.
BTW- Chizow-
Familiar with the term "niggardly"? As in cheap? While there's some debate as in regard to the origins of the slur "great person", cheap and ill-mannered was the effect I was striving for.
Familiar with the term "niggardly"? As in cheap? While there's some debate as in regard to the origins of the slur "great person", cheap and ill-mannered was the effect I was striving for.
Chizow:
"anyone who uses the term "great person" so freely as a commonly acceptable word for everyday usage is clearly a bigot or just plain ignorant"
Hmmm. Are Chris Rock and Eddie Murphy bigots then, or just ignorant? Or are you a member of the PC-Thought Police looking to outlaw the Washington Redskins and their "tomahawk chop"? Or one of these people that wonders why there are no women or people of color in Cutty Sark commercials when their market studies tell them that 90% of their customers are white men over 30?
"not have any sense of politically correct behavior in your neck of the woods "
Politically correct behavior is a badge of reactionary ignorance worn by those who consider themselves intellectual knights on a crusade to rid the world of hurt feelings, regardless of logic or the First Amendment.
"as countless politicians, sports figures and coaches, businessmen and
others in the public eye have been crucified for less."
Does this make it right? Countless women were burned as witches due to the socio-political climate of the times. You would throw the match while I would ask,"Why?".
"The word "niggardly" would have been more appropriate in the context of your portrayal of Katlei's suggestion, yet is that an acceptable word to use in society today?"
It's appropriate for both of them, they both bought lower priced products in hopes of getting the companies higher priced performance.
"I care little for bigots."
I could say the same- you've pre-judged me based on your decision to ignore my qualifying remarks and deem me a racist.
"I believe it was in To Kill a Mockingbird,"
Good book, I suppose you care little for Harper Lee? How about Faulkner? Steinbeck? Twain? Or any of your other intellectual betters you can smugly point a finger at and hiss "racist!" because it's fashionable to do so?
"to take the Confederate Flag off the General Lee"
I don't remember the Dukes of Hazard being racist?
"You seem to be so driven by the business world,"
You and everyone else here better be too, because we all operate in a global economy where engineers in India will do your job for half the pay, and unskilled labor is cheaper everywhere else. The days of "who else will they get to do my job" are done.
"people love to make comments behind the security of their monitors
knowing there is no accountability"
If I knew this guy, I would say it to his face.
"You throw that word around like its second nature"
LOL Oh yeah, my speech is laced with racist slurs. The one I did use that COULD have been construed as racist was prefaced by an explanation that it had no racial connotations.
"I'm sure you lack the balls to say it when it matters"
Oh I don't know. I'm 6'5", weigh about 260, and lift some weights, so I'd most likely "say it when it matters". My definition of "when it matters" is probably different than yours- to me it's when I see someone abuse the system.
"specifically said it isn't directed at any race, that holds as much water as saying"
Why doesn't that hold any water? Are you The Shadow, and know what evil lurks in the hearts of men? You don't know me. American Indians have been called "savages", if I referred to the perpetrators of Sept.11 as "Savages" would I be slamming Indians?
"I'm sure your curious. I'm not black, I just despise ignorance. "
I could care less what color you are. Your arguments lack merit, you debate poorly, and are hypersensitive.
"anyone who uses the term "great person" so freely as a commonly acceptable word for everyday usage is clearly a bigot or just plain ignorant"
Hmmm. Are Chris Rock and Eddie Murphy bigots then, or just ignorant? Or are you a member of the PC-Thought Police looking to outlaw the Washington Redskins and their "tomahawk chop"? Or one of these people that wonders why there are no women or people of color in Cutty Sark commercials when their market studies tell them that 90% of their customers are white men over 30?
"not have any sense of politically correct behavior in your neck of the woods "
Politically correct behavior is a badge of reactionary ignorance worn by those who consider themselves intellectual knights on a crusade to rid the world of hurt feelings, regardless of logic or the First Amendment.
"as countless politicians, sports figures and coaches, businessmen and
others in the public eye have been crucified for less."
Does this make it right? Countless women were burned as witches due to the socio-political climate of the times. You would throw the match while I would ask,"Why?".
"The word "niggardly" would have been more appropriate in the context of your portrayal of Katlei's suggestion, yet is that an acceptable word to use in society today?"
It's appropriate for both of them, they both bought lower priced products in hopes of getting the companies higher priced performance.
"I care little for bigots."
I could say the same- you've pre-judged me based on your decision to ignore my qualifying remarks and deem me a racist.
"I believe it was in To Kill a Mockingbird,"
Good book, I suppose you care little for Harper Lee? How about Faulkner? Steinbeck? Twain? Or any of your other intellectual betters you can smugly point a finger at and hiss "racist!" because it's fashionable to do so?
"to take the Confederate Flag off the General Lee"
I don't remember the Dukes of Hazard being racist?
"You seem to be so driven by the business world,"
You and everyone else here better be too, because we all operate in a global economy where engineers in India will do your job for half the pay, and unskilled labor is cheaper everywhere else. The days of "who else will they get to do my job" are done.
"people love to make comments behind the security of their monitors
knowing there is no accountability"
If I knew this guy, I would say it to his face.
"You throw that word around like its second nature"
LOL Oh yeah, my speech is laced with racist slurs. The one I did use that COULD have been construed as racist was prefaced by an explanation that it had no racial connotations.
"I'm sure you lack the balls to say it when it matters"
Oh I don't know. I'm 6'5", weigh about 260, and lift some weights, so I'd most likely "say it when it matters". My definition of "when it matters" is probably different than yours- to me it's when I see someone abuse the system.
"specifically said it isn't directed at any race, that holds as much water as saying"
Why doesn't that hold any water? Are you The Shadow, and know what evil lurks in the hearts of men? You don't know me. American Indians have been called "savages", if I referred to the perpetrators of Sept.11 as "Savages" would I be slamming Indians?
"I'm sure your curious. I'm not black, I just despise ignorance. "
I could care less what color you are. Your arguments lack merit, you debate poorly, and are hypersensitive.
For $99 you should be happy it even makes it to 470 MHz. You're dreaming if you think an overclocked Ti 200 will run as fast as a Ti 500. The memory bandwidth just isn't there. The Ti 200 is a great bargain at just under $200, though.
Jethro:
Obviously you feel your words speak for themselves, yet you feel the need to defend yourself? If your original statement was as innocent as you claimed it to be there wouldn't be a need for that page full of drivel, half-truths and inaccuracies you spent typing. I won't even bother wading through it all, its there for everyone to read, and despite your justifications of using the word "great person" in today's society, you've come across as a bigot.
Chiz
PS Btw, about the Redskins comment. I live in Washington DC, and am a lifelong 'Skins fan. Native American groups in the area have defended the team name as a sign of pride and tradition. Poor analogy there. I also know two of the players personally (UMD grads) that would take your comment personally and eat your 260 lb ass for lunch. I'll leave it at that.
Obviously you feel your words speak for themselves, yet you feel the need to defend yourself? If your original statement was as innocent as you claimed it to be there wouldn't be a need for that page full of drivel, half-truths and inaccuracies you spent typing. I won't even bother wading through it all, its there for everyone to read, and despite your justifications of using the word "great person" in today's society, you've come across as a bigot.
Chiz
PS Btw, about the Redskins comment. I live in Washington DC, and am a lifelong 'Skins fan. Native American groups in the area have defended the team name as a sign of pride and tradition. Poor analogy there. I also know two of the players personally (UMD grads) that would take your comment personally and eat your 260 lb ass for lunch. I'll leave it at that.
Chizow:
You don't bother to respond to what I said because I've dissected your arguments and accusations line by line, and shown them to be the pseudo-intellectual finger pointing and nay-saying Maetryx originally accused you of.
This is the way of the PC, to hiss "racist" and then respond to valid points with petulant statements like,"If you don't know it's wrong, I can't tell you".
As for your Redskins comments:
A. The Indians defending them does not overshadow the fact that some took offense, and I liken you to those who took offense. (hypersensitive)
B. The UMD grad players are hopefully smart enough to understand what niggardly behavior is, but if they're not, I would hope professional athletes can kick my ass. Just as I would hope my civil court settlement with them and the Redskins would give me more time to fish, hunt, be with my family.
C. What kind of "man" says,"I know some big guys that will beat you up"?! LOL
You don't bother to respond to what I said because I've dissected your arguments and accusations line by line, and shown them to be the pseudo-intellectual finger pointing and nay-saying Maetryx originally accused you of.
This is the way of the PC, to hiss "racist" and then respond to valid points with petulant statements like,"If you don't know it's wrong, I can't tell you".
As for your Redskins comments:
A. The Indians defending them does not overshadow the fact that some took offense, and I liken you to those who took offense. (hypersensitive)
B. The UMD grad players are hopefully smart enough to understand what niggardly behavior is, but if they're not, I would hope professional athletes can kick my ass. Just as I would hope my civil court settlement with them and the Redskins would give me more time to fish, hunt, be with my family.
C. What kind of "man" says,"I know some big guys that will beat you up"?! LOL
OOOOOOOOOOOK this whole thread became way rediculous, maybe I am a great person, maybe i'm a whiteboy with little money and I like to pump every single ounce of performance out of every single thing I own, I like many others do this with everything I own, fast cars, fast computers, better faster working everything I own
I purchased this card with the intent of oc'ing it to and above ti500 spec and I was disappointed, had I known, since i'm a great person, I would have sold some more crack out of my trailer and pimped my mother for one of them there ti500's instead, but hey at least I saved enough money to buy another case of 10$ beer
I purchased this card with the intent of oc'ing it to and above ti500 spec and I was disappointed, had I known, since i'm a great person, I would have sold some more crack out of my trailer and pimped my mother for one of them there ti500's instead, but hey at least I saved enough money to buy another case of 10$ beer
Think of it this way-for only $99 you get higher than GF3 performance (230/460). 5 months ago you would pay $399 for this, so be happy with what you have
GF3 Ti200, even @ stock speeds, is very powerful and efficient (no bandwidth/fillrate bottlenecks-scales perfectly) card.
GF3 Ti200, even @ stock speeds, is very powerful and efficient (no bandwidth/fillrate bottlenecks-scales perfectly) card.
stop whining...maybe you should go sell your "garbage" card to someone who will appreciate the deal
I agree, this is getting ridiculous. And the idea about exchanging it is really bad. Would it not be the same as to buy 1 pound of beef, then go home, put it on the balance, find out that it really is 1 pound then go back to the store and say:
" Hey, loosers, take back this beef, I expected there to be at least 2 pounds, instead there is just one, so, take it back and gimme my money"
It just does not make sense, and, yes, with absolutely no conscience problems I call guys like that "awesome people", whatever color they are, or "mental masturbators", is the same thing, in fact.
" Hey, loosers, take back this beef, I expected there to be at least 2 pounds, instead there is just one, so, take it back and gimme my money"
It just does not make sense, and, yes, with absolutely no conscience problems I call guys like that "awesome people", whatever color they are, or "mental masturbators", is the same thing, in fact.
I wonder if it's in Chizow's job description as a moderator to call members names and make back handed threats against them?
I'm glad to see some of the other people here see this as wrong, especially the exchanging.
Overdose, I can't say I've never run a PC part above spec, and perhaps I overreacted when I saw the combination of you saying the card is "garbage" because you can't OC the memory 50MHz and Katlei suggesting you just trade them in till you get the magic week of production.
The performance increase you would have gotten getting to Ti500 speeds is 10%. At the level of performance we're talking about, you would have never noticed it. I'm guessing you don't have a 21" monitor/P4-2GHz if you're buying a Ti200, so I can probably also assume you mostly game at 10X7X32. You won't notice the difference between a a stock 500 and you OC 200 at that res/color depth.
I'm glad to see some of the other people here see this as wrong, especially the exchanging.
Overdose, I can't say I've never run a PC part above spec, and perhaps I overreacted when I saw the combination of you saying the card is "garbage" because you can't OC the memory 50MHz and Katlei suggesting you just trade them in till you get the magic week of production.
The performance increase you would have gotten getting to Ti500 speeds is 10%. At the level of performance we're talking about, you would have never noticed it. I'm guessing you don't have a 21" monitor/P4-2GHz if you're buying a Ti200, so I can probably also assume you mostly game at 10X7X32. You won't notice the difference between a a stock 500 and you OC 200 at that res/color depth.
<< I wonder if it's in Chizow's job description as a moderator to call members names and make back handed threats against them? >>
LoL who's calling people names and making judgements on morality? IIRC I didn't crap on this guys post and call him a "great person" because he exercised his freedom to piss you off and return his video card. Hmm yah, you keep ducking behind the 1st amendment, yet you harass him when he exercises his own rights? Sound a bit hypocritical. I'm not a moderator, but I consider myself a decent citizen and human being; the use of the word "great person" offends me and most other decent people I know regardless of context. Well enough of that, I'll let you get back to your duties of calling people awesome people and playing morality police.
As for making threats? You've got to be kidding me. They wouldn't waste their time with you. Just pointing out the fact there's always a bigger fish, and as much as you're 260lb frame wouldn't mind saying it to OverDose, there might be different ramifications if you had the balls to say it to the persons I mentioned earlier (I still don't think you do).
Chiz
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