did i get a deal on this amp., subwooer and capacitor(car audio)

sleep

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do you think i got a deal on these items i offered $475 for all of it. the subwoofer looks like a new model but the amp looks a couple years older. the previous owner owned these items for about 2-3 years(from craigslists)

at the audio store, a kicker zx500.1 and a l3 kicker subwoofer/w a ported box costs $550+

  • L7 12" 2ohm sub with box and port. Asking 350 obo
  • Kicker ZX750.1 Asking 250 obo.
  • I also have a 20vDC 95.c Capacitor and Fuse box 2 fuses not blown. Asking 75 obo.
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Kroze

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Yea you got raped

You just bought a name brand, quality is just shit.

The spec on that amp is not better than any other average amp that sell @ walmart.

Terrible noise to signal ratio & etc..
 

sleep

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how much do you think it's all worth? i have to meet up with the person on wednesday. i never paid for it yet.
 

96Firebird

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The cap is pointless.

You're paying about what you would pay for brand new stuff, but you can do better for what you're paying.

After looking more closely, he either misprinted or screwed up his setup. The sub is rated at 750WRMS, and being a dual 2-ohm can be wired to 4-ohm or 1-ohm. The amp is rated 750WRMS @ 2-ohm, or 375WRMS @ 4-ohm. It isn't even 1-ohm stable...
 
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amdhunter

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That amp retails around $249 so you aren't getting much of a deal there.

The subwoofer/box is ~$250 so you aren't getting much of a deal there.

I don't believe in caps - don't waste your money there. (Just makes your alternator work harder, just do the "big 3" and you'll be fine.)
 

WaTaGuMp

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I had a high end system back in my days, scored a 9 out of 10 for overall SQ, didn't even use caps. 1 Soundstream amp for the 2 12" subs still did 134.5 DB.
 

rudeguy

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I had a high end system back in my days, scored a 9 out of 10 for overall SQ, didn't even use caps. 1 Soundstream amp for the 2 12" subs still did 134.5 DB.

Not every install needs a cap.

Not every install needs rear fill speakers either.

I would still buy them if the price was right though. Better to be safe than sorry.
 

rudeguy

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That amp retails around $249 so you aren't getting much of a deal there.

The subwoofer/box is ~$250 so you aren't getting much of a deal there.

I don't believe in caps - don't waste your money there. (Just makes your alternator work harder, just do the "big 3" and you'll be fine.)

how does a cap make your alternator work harder?
 

amdhunter

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how does a cap make your alternator work harder?

Wrong choice of words on my part. I meant to say, it just gives something else for an alternator to charge. It's much better to have a strong electrical system, than to try and patch a weak one with a cap.
 

rudeguy

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Wrong choice of words on my part. I meant to say, it just gives something else for an alternator to charge.

gotcha. My brain was hurting trying to figure it out.

Although I suppose it is one more ground to worry about...so technically it could do more harm than good.

Did you ever catch your bb gun bandit?
 

rudeguy

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Now lets get back on track.

OP: You paid pretty much top dollar but if you are happy, then that's all that really matters.

What vehicle are you going to put these in?
 

amdhunter

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gotcha. My brain was hurting trying to figure it out.

Although I suppose it is one more ground to worry about...so technically it could do more harm than good.

Did you ever catch your bb gun bandit?

Nope. More than half the people left my parking lot and they are probably going to close it before the summer.

I am not that upset, I do get home early enough to find parking, and it would save me an extra hundred a month. Sucks for when I go out late though.
 

sleep

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yeah i was looking at the prices and needed some opinions. it's been awhile since i had a system.

so i think i'll turn it down or see what the person says for $150, but i doubt he'll take it after i offered $475.
 

rudeguy

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yeah i was looking at the prices and needed some opinions. it's been awhile since i had a system.

so i think i'll turn it down or see what the person says for $150, but i doubt he'll take it after i offered $475.

I thought you had already bought it!

Please post what vehicle you are going to put it in and what other components you have (you never start with amp and sub)
 

sleep

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I thought you had already bought it!

Please post what vehicle you are going to put it in and what other components you have (you never start with amp and sub)
i'm sorry i just offered that much and supposed to go pick it up on wednesday.

dodge shadow 93' 3 door hatchback
kicker ks5250 5 1/4 2 way speakers
no rear speakers
clarion cd player i don't have the model number with me, but paid 150 for it.
kicker zx300.1, 2 ohms 300-375, 4 ohms 150 rms
kicker sub 12" 4 ohms 150 rms and 300 max
 
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rudeguy

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i'm sorry i just offered that much and supposed to go pick it up on wednesday.

dodge shadow 93' 3 door hatchback
kicker ks5250 5 1/4 2 way speakers
no rear speakers
clarion cd player i don't have the model number with me, but paid 150 for it.

You've got a good start. I personally wouldn't want that much bass (you are talking major SPL) in a hatchback, but it could be fun for a while.

I'm always going to try to talk you out of buying used car audio stuff. There is no way of telling how much it was beat on and you will have no warranty. For $475 you can go into any decent (NOT BEST BUY) car audio shop and get a nice, brand new setup.
 

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i'm sorry i just offered that much and supposed to go pick it up on wednesday.

dodge shadow 93' 3 door hatchback
kicker ks5250 5 1/4 2 way speakers
no rear speakers
clarion cd player i don't have the model number with me, but paid 150 for it.

is this one of those car stereo costs considerably more than the vehicle they're in cases?
 

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Wrong choice of words on my part. I meant to say, it just gives something else for an alternator to charge. It's much better to have a strong electrical system, than to try and patch a weak one with a cap.

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Bass is a momentary load (outside of electronic bass farting.) To have enough electrical generation capacity to fill what a high-end amp can momentarily load would take a retarded number of alternators.

A capacitor evens out the load by loading the alternator when the amp is cutoff (or lightly loaded) and giving that stored charge to the amp when it's on, taking some of that load off the alternator. Instead of the alternator seeing, say, 200A-->20A--->200A-->20A and bouncing your electrical system through undervoltage/overvoltage, it sees 110A--------------->.

Caps are awesome. I would never be without one for any sub layout over 500W RMS. (My current setup is 1100W across a 1F cap pushing three 12W6's and my lights don't dim at all even with just the stock GM alternator.)

(And that's not optimistic or peak wattage rating. I have to watch it with electronic bass lest I burn through my 80A main fuse.)

As for whether that's a good deal, OP... it looks to be ~$550 worth of stuff new. $75 off after 3 years doesn't sound very good to me.
I mean, it's half the price of my sub amp alone and it does look like you get a decent amount for it, but that's a lot of power into one sub. If you don't have much room in your car it's ok, but if you have room I'd do dual/tri 15's or 18's. You can get so much more bass out of your power budget.
(Also, wear hearing protection. Damn shit's cumulative. Just because you're hearing starts off clear/clear/clear doesn't mean that it won't start going into fuzz/fuzzier/fuzzy. My hearing for low frequencies is shit now, and I'm only in my 30's.)

After looking more closely, he either misprinted or screwed up his setup. The sub is rated at 750WRMS, and being a dual 2-ohm

Where do you see that it's DVC? That's a 08VS12L72 , no?
 
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I had a high end system back in my days, scored a 9 out of 10 for overall SQ, didn't even use caps. 1 Soundstream amp for the 2 12" subs still did 134.5 DB.

I too had a high end system in my youth. From what I can recall, caps weren't really needed for SQ setups as there wasn't much demand on your electrical system during the SQ judging.

I had 4 DVC Phoenix Gold 12" subs rocking off a Phoenix Gold ZX 600 Ti amp (man that thing was a beast...Phoenix Gold actually redesigned the circuitry inside because of my system setup and I got the very first redesigned one....I kept blowing them up until they were redesigned) 141 db
 

WaTaGuMp

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I had a lot of fun in my car audio days. I ran an Alpine head unit. 2 Soundstream Rubicon amps, 404 and 302 I think. 1 32 band crossfire parametric EQ, 1 Audio Control EQT I believe. Diamond Audio Hex series seperates, 2 Kicker 8" mid bass and 2 12" USD audio subs. This was a long time ago, so I might be wrong about the EQT. The car was even RTA tuned for SQ, one show, one 1st place.