Did CNN just grieve for the convicted athletes in Steubenville & copied the ONION?

[Anonemous]

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/03/...ined-promising-lives-of-steubenville-rapists/

Wow...


CNN video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvUdyNko8LQ

ONION version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zWLJZw9Ws-g

 

[Farang]

lmao, 10/10

 

[_Rick_]

Think of the rapists!


...while I do agree, that perpetrators of crime are also victims of their own mis-judgement, it is pretty amazing how the actual victim almost comes off as being the real criminal in this piece.

The best part: The reporters are females. And here I was thinking rape-culture was a made up thing

 

[irishScott]

Wasn't it a CNN anchor who recently suggested that global warming might be blamed for that near-miss asteroid?

 

[Jimzz]

Think of the rapists!


...while I do agree, that perpetrators of crime are also victims of their own mis-judgement, it is pretty amazing how the actual victim almost comes off as being the real criminal in this piece.

The best part: The reporters are females. And here I was thinking rape-culture was a made up thing

Good chance if they have kids they are boys. I noticed my grandmother would favor the guys in many rape cases, saying they were not guilty, but she had all male grandkids and 1 natural son. She did adopt 1 daughter but even my mom noticed it and made mention. Of course my mom said if anything like that happened she support us, but if we were guilty she support us from behind the other side of a jail glass. :awe:

 

[UncleWai]

white fat chicks wanted some bbc

 

[shortylickens]

CNN is to news what Jackass is to comedy.

 

[Broheim]

white fat chicks wanted some bbc

no you've got it all wrong, they're CNN reporters, not from the BBC ()

 

[PingSpike]

Good chance if they have kids they are boys. I noticed my grandmother would favor the guys in many rape cases, saying they were not guilty, but she had all male grandkids and 1 natural son. She did adopt 1 daughter but even my mom noticed it and made mention. Of course my mom said if anything like that happened she support us, but if we were guilty she support us from behind the other side of a jail glass. :awe:

I don't think this is specific to your grandmother. Apparently lawyers know if they want a rape conviction their best bet is to get more men on the jury and less women. I think one of the resident lawyers around here made mention of it awhile back so hopefully I'm not just talking out of my ass again. I don't remember the reasoning, men feeling the need to be more protective might have been it.

 

[waggy]

wow op at first i thought you were bashing CNN well because it was cnn.

but DAMN what a fucked up story.

 

[Genx87]

The Onion is becoming more and more based in reality each day.

 

[diesbudt]

Wasn't it a CNN anchor who recently suggested that global warming might be blamed for that near-miss asteroid?

To be fair it was attracted to Earth. Asteroids are like men. They love to hit on hot things. However sadly for him like most men... it was a near miss.

 

[waggy]

To be fair it was attracted to Earth. Asteroids are like men. They love to hit on hot things. However sadly for him like most men... it was a near miss.

lol


anyone know if the CNN or Onion article came first?

 

[Geosurface]

I don't know the details of this particular case and I'm not commenting on it, but this seemed like a good opportunity to point out that there are a MASSIVE number of false rape accusations. Here's one study that put it at 41% of rape accusations being false: http://blog.lib.umn.edu/jbs/maysession/KaninFalseRapeAllegations.pdf

I can't attest to the quality of that study's methodology, and I'm not endorsing it. I'm just passing along the link for anyone who's interested. There are other studies which have questioned that one and said that only 2-8% of rape accusations are false.

I personally have no fucking clue whatsoever how many are false. Thankfully I've never had this issue touch my life personally in any way.

My only interest in this is because I have become rather disgusted with how the legal system treats men these days. Accused rapists have their names put out immediately while their accusers have theirs protected, this creates the potential for the man's life to be ruined based on the accusation alone, even if it's later proven false.

There seems to be an automatic assumption of guilt for the man and assumption of truth in the accuser. Some people are put away for years and have their lives ruined based on no evidence except the accusation itself.

There are plenty of documented cases of women admitting that they accused a man of rape because they later regretted a consensual sexual encounter. Or because they want revenge on the man for something. This shit does happen. It happens a lot more often than most people want to accept. Here's an interesting article:

Link

Brian Banks was a former high school football star when he was accused of rape by Wanetta Gibson. Gibson’s name was sealed as a rape victim while Banks was publicly accused as a rapist despite his insistence that it was consensual sex. It was his word against hers and prosecutors threatened him with life imprisonment if he went to trial, so he pleaded guilty to a rape that he did not commit. He spent five years in jail. When he was released he was surprised when his “victim” asked to befriend him on Facebook. She later admitted that she made the whole thing up but did not want to give back the $1.5 million that she won in a judgment against the school district for her alleged rape. She retains the money despite admitting to lying about the rape.

Here are some more little snippets from cases I found with just a quick search:

Cree said Gump told him she agreed to have sex for money with an unknown male, but when he refused to pay her, she called 911 and reported a rape.

SANTA CRUZ (CBS SF) — A woman who told the University of California at Santa Cruz police that she was sexually assaulted on campus earlier this month admitted to fabricating the incident, the campus police chief said Thursday.

Not until Garada's family brought tape-recorded telephone calls to detectives indicating the whole case was part of a vendetta against Garada's family did the case begin to unravel.

Under further questioning, the woman finally admitted her claims against Garada were false.

A Tennessee woman is accused of filing a false rape claim against her date because she did not enjoy sex with him.

She allegedly told a detective that she had lied about the encounter because she "did not enjoy it," and it was "bad," the release states.

I'll just encourage anyone who doubts that these are fairly common to do a little Googling of their own.

I'm not a rape apologist or any bullshit like that, if these Steubenville guys did rape some girl, I have zero sympathy for them and I hope they rot for the maximum amount of time. Again, I haven't looked at any details of this case.

I'm just cautioning against this societal default assumption that if a guy is accused of rape, it surely happened! This assumption is what makes false accusations a tempting shortcut to getting attention or getting payback.

The really awful catch 22 is that if they start going after false accusers with harsher penalties, it reduces the chance of them ever coming clean :|

All I'm saying is we, as a society, need to find a healthier balance between protecting and respecting rape victims/punishing rapists... AND not ruining men's lives on nothing but unsubstantiated accusations.

As I said before, I have no clue whatsoever just how common false accusations are... whether it be 2% or 41% or wherever in between... I feel that even if it is on the lower end of that spectrum, it's still higher than most people think, and it's still enough to justify a re-calibration of how rigorous the standard of proof is on this.

Let me leave you with a link to a good 8 minute video on this subject, which I really think anyone whose kneejerk response to this is negative, should take the time to watch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvBt7Ry16uM

PLEASE take the time to watch this.

 

[sourn]

I agree with Geo, it makes me sick how some of these women can be. Just like everything is harassment. O your hair looks nice today.. Fired, sued, etc... Yet she can do what ever she wants.

With that said, I think rapist can get off way to light. Then again I personally think child molesters, rapist, murders (cold blood/serial killers) shouldn't go to prison. Once convicted shoot them on the spot save room and money.

 

[Geosurface]

Once convicted shoot them on the spot save room and money.

I would agree in cases which are really clear, like no doubt at all that you have the right person.

 

[BladeVenom]

LOL! The Onion has always been a better news source than CNN.

 

[Fritzo]

Maybe CNN missed a space, and thought they were going to be therapists.

 

[PingviN]

Why in the fuck are they pitying them?

 

[mmntech]

The news media, particularly within the United States, is in a disastrous state. I'm not sure exactly where the blame lies for that, but it's likely numerous factors. Conglomeration of news media, a 24-hour news cycle that's difficult to fill with content, increasing political polarization and bias, an increasingly ADD american public who prefers infotainment to information, a race among journalists to break the story first over getting the facts correct, cherry picking information and experts, over-reliance on wire feeds and press releases, the shrinking number of journalistic staff in newsrooms.

As a society, I think we're more informed then ever yet at the same time we're getting a lot less of the big picture. It's like if you took a handful of pieces out of a bunch of different puzzle boxes, mixed them all together, and then tried to put together a coherent picture out of them. You can't do it anyway and most people just ignore such a daunting task.

I don't really think I could work in a large newsroom. At least not anymore.

The other part of this story is sport in American culture and the far reaching impact it has. Many consider athletes to be untouchable. We saw the same thing during the Penn State scandal. They all knew Sandusky was raping boys but kept quiet because he gave them a winning team. Of course there is the issue of false accusation, as in the Duke Lacrosse case. However, that's what the courts are for. To look at the evidence objectively.

The news is supposed to do the same thing, but CNN's language in this story is very subjective. As a journalist, it's not your place to say whether you think those boys' futures are ruined or if the girl's life is ruined. You're only supposed to present the facts as is and let the viewer decide. Bias in the news is impossible to avoid but this increasing tendency and even demand for reporters to take sides is unprofessional.

 

[JM Aggie08]

It really put a huge grin on my face seeing the one rapist break down in the court room.

Scum.

 

[Fritzo]

Why in the fuck are they pitying them?

 

[Pheran]

Someone collected together some of the more disgusting public comments on this case:

http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/

 

[highland145]

Someone collected together some of the more disgusting public comments on this case:

http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/

That is messed up.

 

[waggy]

I don't know the details of this particular case and I'm not commenting on it, but this seemed like a good opportunity to point out that there are a MASSIVE number of false rape accusations. Here's one study that put it at 41% of rape accusations being false: http://blog.lib.umn.edu/jbs/maysession/KaninFalseRapeAllegations.pdf

I can't attest to the quality of that study's methodology, and I'm not endorsing it. I'm just passing along the link for anyone who's interested. There are other studies which have questioned that one and said that only 2-8% of rape accusations are false.

I personally have no fucking clue whatsoever how many are false. Thankfully I've never had this issue touch my life personally in any way.

My only interest in this is because I have become rather disgusted with how the legal system treats men these days. Accused rapists have their names put out immediately while their accusers have theirs protected, this creates the potential for the man's life to be ruined based on the accusation alone, even if it's later proven false.

There seems to be an automatic assumption of guilt for the man and assumption of truth in the accuser. Some people are put away for years and have their lives ruined based on no evidence except the accusation itself.

There are plenty of documented cases of women admitting that they accused a man of rape because they later regretted a consensual sexual encounter. Or because they want revenge on the man for something. This shit does happen. It happens a lot more often than most people want to accept. Here's an interesting article:

Link



Here are some more little snippets from cases I found with just a quick search:









I'll just encourage anyone who doubts that these are fairly common to do a little Googling of their own.

I'm not a rape apologist or any bullshit like that, if these Steubenville guys did rape some girl, I have zero sympathy for them and I hope they rot for the maximum amount of time. Again, I haven't looked at any details of this case.

I'm just cautioning against this societal default assumption that if a guy is accused of rape, it surely happened! This assumption is what makes false accusations a tempting shortcut to getting attention or getting payback.

The really awful catch 22 is that if they start going after false accusers with harsher penalties, it reduces the chance of them ever coming clean :|

All I'm saying is we, as a society, need to find a healthier balance between protecting and respecting rape victims/punishing rapists... AND not ruining men's lives on nothing but unsubstantiated accusations.

As I said before, I have no clue whatsoever just how common false accusations are... whether it be 2% or 41% or wherever in between... I feel that even if it is on the lower end of that spectrum, it's still higher than most people think, and it's still enough to justify a re-calibration of how rigorous the standard of proof is on this.

Let me leave you with a link to a good 8 minute video on this subject, which I really think anyone whose kneejerk response to this is negative, should take the time to watch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvBt7Ry16uM

PLEASE take the time to watch this.

while i agree that men once accused of rape are guilty in the eyes of the public.

This is not really what happened in this case. There was ton of video (idiots taped it_ and text. not to mention the attitude of those accused, the family and police.

there is more to i tthen just the rape.

Yes i think they raped her. BUT i also think the girl should be more careful.