Did Bill Gates really steal from Apple?

[Saint Nick]

I'm watching Pirates of Silicon Valley--and granted it really isn't a documentary or anything--but they specifically say that ideas were stolen.

Did this really happen? Excuse me for my lack of knowledge on the subject...

 

[KLin]

Originally posted by: NightDarker
I'm watching Pirates of Silicon Valley--and granted it really isn't a documentary or anything--but they specifically say that ideas were stolen.

Did this really happen? Excuse me for my lack of knowledge on the subject...

Of course he did. Just like Steve Jobs stole GUI ideas from Xerox.

 

[Saint Nick]

I thought that he "bought" the ideas from Xerox...

 

[So]

Originally posted by: NightDarker
I thought that he "bought" the ideas from Xerox...

AFAIK, both groups copied from PARC, but PARC made no big secrets of what they were working on. The first talk of the GUI dates back to the 60's and everyone knew it was coming.

 

[Fayd]

stealing is such an ugly word.

it's called re-appropriating.

 

[So]

And no, AFAIK, Jobs just stole ideas from parc, at least as much as Gates did.

 

[ntdz]

Gates stole the ideas that Jobs basically stole from Xerox...

 

[tasmanian]

Originally posted by: ntdz
Gates stole the ideas that Jobs basically stole from Xerox...

Exact same thing i got out of the movie.

 

[DaveSimmons]

rock salt

Gates stole what Jobs stole from Xerox PARC.

 

[WildHorse]

Originally posted by: ntdz
Gates stole the ideas that Jobs basically stole from Xerox...

I remember that movie also saying Gates stole the work of some grad student who had developed the spreadsheet program, and put his brand name Excel onto it, never paid the true author a penny.

And Gates virtually stole $10 million from IBM, having bought DOS for $10,000 from the grad student who developed it, then immediately resold it the next day to IBM for $10 million. Or you could look at that one the other way round, so Gates stole the true economic value of the DOS developer's work from him, and harvested it all for himself from IBM, without having earned it. Either way it sounds like a dirty deal from the perspective of my ethics.

 

[TanisHalfElven]

Originally posted by: scott

Originally posted by: ntdz
Gates stole the ideas that Jobs basically stole from Xerox...

I remember that movie also saying Gates stole the work of some grad student who had developed the spreadsheet program, and put his brand name Excel onto it, never paid the true author a penny.

And Gates virtually stole $10 million from IBM, having bought DOS for $10,000 from the grad student who developed it, then immediately resold it the next day to IBM for $10 million. Or you could look at that one the other way round, so Gates stole the true economic value of the DOS developer's work from him, and harvested it all for himself from IBM, without having earned it. Either way it sounds like a dirty deal from the perspective of my ethics.

so buying and selling is dirty. well lock up all the trader of the world

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: scott

Originally posted by: ntdz
Gates stole the ideas that Jobs basically stole from Xerox...

I remember that movie also saying Gates stole the work of some grad student who had developed the spreadsheet program, and put his brand name Excel onto it, never paid the true author a penny.

And Gates virtually stole $10 million from IBM, having bought DOS for $10,000 from the grad student who developed it, then immediately resold it the next day to IBM for $10 million. Or you could look at that one the other way round, so Gates stole the true economic value of the DOS developer's work from him, and harvested it all for himself from IBM, without having earned it. Either way it sounds like a dirty deal from the perspective of my ethics.

so everyone who sold something and made profit is 'dirty'?

:roll: please.

 

[ForumMaster]

well gates did steal the GUI from Apple that Apple stole from Xerox which stole from PARC. basically everybody stole from PARC. i do believe that Gates stole the mouse as david englebert (the guy who invented the mouse) was wroking for SRI which licensed the mouse only to Apple.

 

[BUTCH1]

Originally posted by: scott

Originally posted by: ntdz
Gates stole the ideas that Jobs basically stole from Xerox...

I remember that movie also saying Gates stole the work of some grad student who had developed the spreadsheet program, and put his brand name Excel onto it, never paid the true author a penny.

And Gates virtually stole $10 million from IBM, having bought DOS for $10,000 from the grad student who developed it, then immediately resold it the next day to IBM for $10 million. Or you could look at that one the other way round, so Gates stole the true economic value of the DOS developer's work from him, and harvested it all for himself from IBM, without having earned it. Either way it sounds like a dirty deal from the perspective of my ethics.

He bought DOS for 50,000, modified it then LICENSED it to IBM. The original coders of DOS just
didn't know what it was worth and IBM was stupid to license it instead of buying it outright from
Gates. No one stole anything....

 

[mpitts]

Originally posted by: scott

Originally posted by: ntdz
Gates stole the ideas that Jobs basically stole from Xerox...

I remember that movie also saying Gates stole the work of some grad student who had developed the spreadsheet program, and put his brand name Excel onto it, never paid the true author a penny.

And Gates virtually stole $10 million from IBM, having bought DOS for $10,000 from the grad student who developed it, then immediately resold it the next day to IBM for $10 million. Or you could look at that one the other way round, so Gates stole the true economic value of the DOS developer's work from him, and harvested it all for himself from IBM, without having earned it. Either way it sounds like a dirty deal from the perspective of my ethics.

Boo hoo.. Sounds like Gates was a savy businessman to me..

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: scott

Originally posted by: ntdz
Gates stole the ideas that Jobs basically stole from Xerox...

I remember that movie also saying Gates stole the work of some grad student who had developed the spreadsheet program, and put his brand name Excel onto it, never paid the true author a penny.

And Gates virtually stole $10 million from IBM, having bought DOS for $10,000 from the grad student who developed it, then immediately resold it the next day to IBM for $10 million. Or you could look at that one the other way round, so Gates stole the true economic value of the DOS developer's work from him, and harvested it all for himself from IBM, without having earned it. Either way it sounds like a dirty deal from the perspective of my ethics.

yeah. you are a idiot.

 

[TheStu]

The way I remember it, Gates licensed DOS before he bought it. So that right there, is sort of stealing from IBM.

 

[XZeroII]

Yes. Gates and his entourage broke into Apple's headquarters late at night and stole a bunch zeros and ones. They carried them out in a couple of large plastic trashbags. The hard part was reassembling them when they got back to Bill Gates' basement.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: XZeroII
Yes. Gates and his entourage broke into Apple's headquarters late at night and stole a bunch zeros and ones. They carried them out in a couple of large plastic trashbags. The hard part was reassembling them when they got back to Bill Gates' basement.

yeah, and look what happened with that!

 

[shabby]

Originally posted by: scott

Originally posted by: ntdz
Gates stole the ideas that Jobs basically stole from Xerox...

I remember that movie also saying Gates stole the work of some grad student who had developed the spreadsheet program, and put his brand name Excel onto it, never paid the true author a penny.

And Gates virtually stole $10 million from IBM, having bought DOS for $10,000 from the grad student who developed it, then immediately resold it the next day to IBM for $10 million. Or you could look at that one the other way round, so Gates stole the true economic value of the DOS developer's work from him, and harvested it all for himself from IBM, without having earned it. Either way it sounds like a dirty deal from the perspective of my ethics.

9,990,000 profit... fcuk ethics

 

[Q]

Who cares, he's richest man in the world and he donates a ton of money to charity, I like him.

 

[chcarnage]

Apple paid, but Microsoft did not.

 

[jdoggg12]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: scott

Originally posted by: ntdz
Gates stole the ideas that Jobs basically stole from Xerox...

I remember that movie also saying Gates stole the work of some grad student who had developed the spreadsheet program, and put his brand name Excel onto it, never paid the true author a penny.

And Gates virtually stole $10 million from IBM, having bought DOS for $10,000 from the grad student who developed it, then immediately resold it the next day to IBM for $10 million. Or you could look at that one the other way round, so Gates stole the true economic value of the DOS developer's work from him, and harvested it all for himself from IBM, without having earned it. Either way it sounds like a dirty deal from the perspective of my ethics.

yeah. you are a idiot.

The irony made me chuckle.

*an

 

[Reckoner]

Originally posted by: Quintox
Who cares, he's richest man in the world and he donates a ton of money to charity, I like him.

So would you automatically like Joe Sixpack who donates a couple hundred each year to charity? Because that's what it amounts to for someone of Gates's wealth.

 

[Kilim]

So, did Micrsoft apparently steal the pictures of Icons and actual code. Or since they came up with something which seems like common sense, (a GUI!!!!, ZOMG it's like creating Calculus!) that was similar to something before it, the haters say they stole it?