Did Arab states + China + Russia talk about replacing dollar as currency for oil ?

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Modelworks

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The officials are denying it but what do you think ? I think it has probably been discussed in off the record type discussions but I don't think they did any formal discussions on it. Kind of a , are you thinking what I am thinking type thing.

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LONDON ? The dollar fell Tuesday towards year lows against the euro and the yen after a report that Arab states and other countries were contemplating an end to the U.S. currency's role in the pricing oil.

The selling was stoked by an article in Britain's "Independent" newspaper that said secret meetings were taking place between Arab states, China, Russia, Japan and France, to end dollar dealings for oil and moving instead to a basket of currencies, including the euro, the yen and the Chinese yuan.

Officials in several of the countries either denied talks or said they had no knowledge.

But the denials did not stop the dollar selloff. By late afternoon London time, the dollar was down 0.8 percent at 88.80, while the euro was up by 0.7 percent to $1.4748.

Further sustained falls could see the dollar fall below its multi-year low of 87.11 yen, and the euro break above its two-year high of $1.4842, achieved last month.

Kuwait's oil minister, Sheik Ahmed Al Abdullah Al Sabah, said there have been no talks on the topic among Gulf oil ministers. "At our level, no," he said. "I didn't even dream about it."

And the head of the United Arab Emirates' central bank, Sultan Nasser al-Suweidi, said the Gulf nation has no plans to stop pricing oil in dollars. "There has been no meeting ... whatsoever," he told The Associated Press, adding that the dollar "will continue as the price for oil."

The report fed existing market skepticism about the U.S. currency in favor of the euro and the yen as the dollar's future as the world's reserve currency continues to be openly discussed.

Last week, figures from the International Monetary Fund showed that the dollar's share of total reserves has fallen to its lowest level since 1995. Meanwhile, Robert Zoellick, a former U.S. trade representative who now heads the World Bank, warned that the currency's status as the world's leading reserve currency should not be taken for granted.

"Some stories will run and run and this morning's report regarding a possible replacement of the dollar as the exchange currency for oil is another chapter in the plot against the dollar as the world's most dominant reserve currency," said Jane Foley, research director at Forex.com.

The dollar also suffered against the euro from a decision by the Australian central bank to raise interest rates ? taken by markets as a sign recovery may be taking hold. New confidence reduces the dollar's role as a safe haven in times of crisis.

Dollar worries are in part based on much larger U.S. budget deficits and expansive monetary policy at the Federal Reserve, including rock-bottom interest rates and expansion of the money supply. Those are all policies that can undermine a country's currency.

The dollar's role as a reserve and pricing currency supports its value because it obliges governments and companies to hold or obtain dollars.

Bank of New York Mellon currency strategist Neil Mellor said the notion that Gulf states may look to reduce their dependence on the dollar is "potentially very significant indeed," particularly as they share the dilemma with China over the value of their dollar holdings. Any move that undermines the dollars' value would reduce the value of those extensive holdings.

Over the last five years, the dollar has broadly fallen against many of its main competitors, leading to calls in dollar surplus countries, such as China and the Gulf states, for a greater diversification in their currency reserves.

As a result, talk of the dollar losing its price function is nothing new ? in 2003, Russia moved its ruble peg to a two-currency basket of the dollar and the euro. During the oil price boom in recent years, Russia built up big dollar reserves because of its status as one of the world's major producers.

Dmitry Peskov, spokesman for Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, dismissed the newspaper report as "not even serious" but did reiterate Russia's recent policy of multiplying the amount of reserve currencies "to ease the burden on a single world currency and save ourselves from another crisis."

Meanwhile, China has taken stakes directly in energy and commodity producers in an attempt to diversify its dependence on the dollar.

Hans Redeker, global head of foreign exchange strategy at BNP Paribas, said Saudi Arabia, which has the biggest oil reserves, will be the key country when discussing which currencies oil should be factored in.

"What investors should not forget is that Saudi Arabia has an interest to keep the U.S. strong and involved in the region," he said.

"Switching the dollar for a basket of currencies for commodity factoring would weaken the U.S. additionally, which would be against the interest of Saudi Arabia," he added.

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masteryoda34

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Of course they have been. They are not stupid. The US is printing money as if it was manufacturing monopoly sets. Everyone knows this. The foreign countries also hold a lot of assets in US dollars, and thus making it public that they talked about it will cause them to lose money, hence the denials.
 

OCGuy

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Our little printing press game is going to bite us in the ass bigtime.

That fact that dems want even more spending bills to me shoved through congress is pure insanity.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: OCguy
Our little printing press game is going to bite us in the ass bigtime.

That fact that dems want even more spending bills to me shoved through congress is pure insanity.

!00% blame for the Democrats trying to get things on track, 0% blame for the party and ideology that created the mess. Predictable.

If the Republican Party was a drunk driver who caused a head-on collision, OCguy would explain how the harm to the victim was caused by 'big government' first responders.

Virtually no one likes the crisis spending done by the Repubs (for big banks) or the Dems (for stimulus).

The right-wing policies causing the great depression forced government spending to stabilize the nation. The crisis of WWII forced governent to spend big. The big spending reactions of government have a history of helping the economy out of crises brought on by right-wing (or WWII) caused messes.

Would our nation be better off with the economy simply freezing up, crashing, far more massive business closures and unemployment, as the 'rising tide' turns into a low tide?

Is OCguy just so ignorant about how the economy works that he simplistically supports just one thing, deficit avoidance, instead of getting a clue about the options?

I'm critical of the excessive pandering to the financial industry by both parties. Funny thing, though, as I've posted many times how important it is that we restrict the flow of money from those industries into the political system, that we prevent 'too big' institutions, I don't recall many posts responding with strong agreement - just righties complaining about the government, and other side topics. And so we get what would be expected, the financial institutions filling the void where the public belongs, setting the agenda.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: OCguy
Our little printing press game is going to bite us in the ass bigtime.

That fact that dems want even more spending bills to me shoved through congress is pure insanity.

what printing pres game?
 

heyheybooboo

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Originally posted by: OCguy
Our little printing press game is going to bite us in the ass bigtime.

That fact that dems want even more spending bills to me shoved through congress is pure insanity.

Originally posted by: BarrySotero
The other countries know Obama is going to ruin the economy and bring back inflation to rob people of their savings and to pay off foreign debt. They also know Obama won't fight against this since he's more anti-American than most of them are and wants US weak and subject to international bodies and laws. Obama's presidency is absolutely lethal.

Originally posted by: masteryoda34
Of course they have been. They are not stupid. The US is printing money as if it was manufacturing monopoly sets. Everyone knows this. The foreign countries also hold a lot of assets in US dollars, and thus making it public that they talked about it will cause them to lose money, hence the denials.


Hey, Geniuses:

Because of the Arab Oil embargo and the 'run-up' of 'Petrodollars' through the early 1980s, there have been discussions about replacing the US Dollar as the unit of exchange for over 30 years.

This only intensified with the emergence of the 'PetroEuro' in the 1990s --- go check the use of the Dollar as a foreign exchange reserve since then and get back to us ...

(Hint: The use of the US Dollar as a foreign exchange currency has declined over 15% this decade ... )





edit: I had to add a 'quote' from the other thread just so we could laugh at these idiots.



 
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