Did anyone understand the "interesting" scene in Eyes Wide Shut?

[Nefrodite]

well nicole is enuph for me, but i'm shallow

 

[flavio]

Well there didn't seem to be a whole lot of point to this one but the scene in the sex club was pretty interesting. I also thought the whole city looked bizarrly clean. I believe he did die before the film was finished and you gotta wonder what effect this had on the movie.

I love Kubrick though. Dr. Strangelove and Full Metal Jacket are a couple favorites.

 

[desy]

Hated that movie.
Didn't find it avant gard or anything. One of the few movies I wish I had NEVER seen.
Other than Nicole running around in her underwear I found very little of anything in that movie.

 

[Zwingle]

I admit, I only watched it to see Nicole Kidman's boobs......thank god that was early on......Yes, I am that shallow......and she does have nice boobs....I can say boobs, right? Or is breasts better? Either way, I saw what I wanted......
Clockwork Orange was not much of a movie either.....Kubrick was smoking some good stash.

 

[AdamDuritz99]

Dammit Russ, why do you have to argue with every person who disagrees with you? Most people think that the movie sucked, ok. But that's only opinion. Obviously somebody did enjoy the film, let them be. That doesn't make anyone smarter or dumber than anyone else, only that they have different taste or ideas of entertainment.

Pulse8,
you started it with << Maybe you guys should stop watching films that are over your heads >>. Assuming people didn't like it b/c it went over their heads is, well, assuming. I understood the idea quite well(i'm sure Russ did too), it was just not put together well, so there for sucked...in our opinions.

peace
sean

 

[WageSlave]

The story in the film wasn't right in your face like most films, you had to look beyond what you were seeing.


like a porno?

 

[aphex]

<<like a porno? >>

hahaha

 

[Russ]

<< Dammit Russ, why do you have to argue with every person who disagrees with you? >>



AdamDuritz99,

You answered that question in the same post:



<< Pulse8,
you started it with << Maybe you guys should stop watching films that are over your heads >>. >>



I don't argue with everyone who disagrees. But I certainly respond when someone attacks my intelligence. Read my posting history. I rarely ever draw first blood.

Russ, NCNE

 

[Adul]

ahem.

 

[gotsmack]

that part was a dark mass. you know, Satan worshippers.

serious. if you don't believe me just do a little research on the subject.

 

[fatalbert]

that movie was pretty bad,

but I have liked every other Kubrick I have ever seen,

it was a porn w/out the good parts

 

[amnesiac]

<< That movie was boring claptrap that made me want to wretch >>



Ditto that.

But Russ, it's retch/
Sorry, I just had this long-standing urge to correct one of our venerable elite members.

 

[chizow]

Hehe I took the movie as a detail of Man's (and Woman's ) curiosity for the forbidden and obsession with the perverse. Oh C'mon, you know its true, the fact that you went and sat through the movie is point-in-case How a 3 hour soft pr0n flick was necessary to depict one of the darker sides of the human condition, well thats another story. It also drew out some interesting hero/villain role-reversals that you don't typically see in movies, ie. sympathy for the whore who saves him and animosity towards the free-wheeling, gun-slinging rich guy. Some interesting depictions of social hierearchy, albeit highly fictitious. Sounds to me like Kubrick was just jealous of all the country club "Chets" that used to pull a lot of azz in his hometown

Chiz

 

[TAsunder]

If you want to see a painfully long kubrick movie that is probably overrated, try Barry Lyndon.

I waited three and a half hours to see the alien and then it was her gdm father.

 

[SQL]

<< I love Kubrick though. Dr. Strangelove and Full Metal Jacket are a couple favorites. >>



Perhaps that would make for an interesting movie. Combine Full Metal Jacket with Eyes Wide Shut.

Imagine R.L. Emery shouting into the face of a participant in the orgy scene:

You mask wearing waste of a turd scumbag, my paraplegic poodle can hump better than you can.

 

[Spamela]

<< Saw it on HBO the other day again. What the hell is with that crazy scene? I love Kubricks work, but i dont always understand it >>



you mean you haven't had devil-worship group sex?

 

[vec]

I liked both Clockwork Orange, Barry Lyndon as well as the other work he's done. I did not enjoy Eyes Wide Shut though. I couldn't connect to the Tom Cruise character and because of that I didn't care about what happened to him. I would watch it again though just to see Nicole Kidman.

 

[darkjester]

Read Dream Story, then watch the movie. It makes a lot more sense and makes the movie a whole lot better. When I first saw Eyes Wide Shut (which is based on, you guessed it, Dream Story), I didn't like it. I didn't get it, it was slow, and, frankly, the only redeeming thing it had was the sex scenes and a naked Nicole Kidman. It's shallow, but it's true. Anyway, then I read the novella it's based on, and it watched the movie again. Not only did it make a lot more sense, it also made the movie a lot better in my opinion. That being said, Eyes Wide Shut isn't necessarily a BAD movie, it just wasn't an adequate translation/interpretation of Dream Story.

I'm sure some people would be able to argue the same about The Lord of the Rings, but in this forum, that's just plain cyber-suicide. Thankfully, I'm not in that position since I did read the books before the movie, so I got it and loved it. But after my g/f reads the books she might have an opinion of LotR: FotR akin to mine of Eyes Wide Shut. I'll be sure to keep her from joining/posting here.

PS: Can't we all just get along?

PPS (aka edit): It dawned me just after hitting "Post" that I'm of this mindset because, at the time, I could see the deeper meanings in literature better than I could in movies. Some people are the opposite. I like to think that I'm equally able to find the deeper meanings in both mediums now. But if you are more literature-prone, then try the novella and see if all of a sudden the muddy waters of Eyes Wide Shut aren't cleared up.

Also, despite the comment set Russ off, I find a meaning similar to pulse8's about the "orgy scene". Tom Cruise's character is exploring and expanding his sexuality by being there, but he is also getting back at his wife for her mental infidelity with the sailor. She didn't actually cheat on him with that sailor, but she wanted to. In her mind, she slept with the sailor. So Tom Cruise is surrounding himself with rampant sexual activities that do not involve his wife. Furthermore, he's doing what his wife did by imagining himself having sex with all those women (conveyed by the fact that he watched men clothed just as he was doing these things). He didn't look away or leave, he watched people that looked just like him "cheat on his wife". He was getting his revenge.

Then again, that's all just my interpretation, but at least I FINALLY got around to answering the original question.

 

[flavio]

Seriously, does anyone know if Kubrick dying maybe had some effect on the way the movie turned out?