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Dick Morris: In Defense of Lott
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Pliablemoose
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I agree with him, and bringing up the allmighty & powerful Robert Byrd (D), former member of the KKK is appropriate too.
Lott just made an innocent comment being taken out of context... stupid liberal retards in the media....
I dunno if I buy the above statement about Lott. I hope that he loses his position, that will teach him not to speak up for an ignorant old fool.
NFS4
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If it's so innocent, why are even some of his Republican colleague stepping away from him. Even Bush laid the smackdown.
Around 90% of African Americans who vote vote Democratic. I have a hard time believing that quote as well.
Blacks voting for Lott in Mississippi would be like the Native Americans voting to go on the Trail of Tears.
Look at his voting records, his past, and come back and say he's not a racist. Judging from his past, I'm willing to bet that those votes that Morris listed were to satiate others or cover his tracks so as to not be seen as a full-fledged bigot.
As for Dick Morris not seeing him as a racist, it's very hard to see someone as such when you know them that well. Either they start to influence you or you start to influence them. Either way, it's hard to smell the stench when your so close. Dick Cheney is also up there with Lott, but he's much smarter about it and knows how to argue his conservative views. Lott is not as articulate as him. But they're both racists nonetheless.
I'm an no liberal. I just use common sense when it comes to issues like these.
As for Dick Morris not seeing him as a racist, it's very hard to see someone as such when you know them that well. Either they start to influence you or you start to influence them. Either way, it's hard to smell the stench when your so close. Dick Cheney is also up there with Lott, but he's much smarter about it and knows how to argue his conservative views. Lott is not as articulate as him. But they're both racists nonetheless.
I'm an no liberal. I just use common sense when it comes to issues like these.
CaptnKirk
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Wasn't Lott one of the fools who got into deep doo-doo about 3 years ago for putting on a racial biased skit in the Senate that
was ridiculing the Chinese and Japanese? This clown has a history of biggotry for as long as I can remember in his activities.
Oh yeah, I forgot - He'a a Republi-Klan!
was ridiculing the Chinese and Japanese? This clown has a history of biggotry for as long as I can remember in his activities.
Oh yeah, I forgot - He'a a Republi-Klan!
Lord knows the reasons mentioned is why I cannot imagine residing East Coast, particularly New York and DC. Life's tough as it is, so I don't need any aggression near me and having to put up a feisty attitude everyday or fear. I'm being persuaded to go to school at DC, but I'm not sure it's my type of place.
In any case, there's no justification for Lott's conduct. People do things that are wrong sometimes, and what makes it worse is when people try to justify it. I am aware that the Democrat party was once a party to segregation, but that does not justify the conduct of anyone who was not a Democrat. Resorting to picking on someone else's behaviour only takes care of establishing two wrongs. But two wrongs don't make a right. It does not take away that the conduct in question was inappropriate and discriminatory.
The problem with Lott is that he has made that statement more than once since the end of segregation. It's one thing to feel a certain way yesterday, claim to have changed today but it's another to do what you claimed you had changed about the next day. There is no dispute that his statement crossed the line with its implication. He hasn't argues on semantics. But to further try to justify it by making comparison to other politicians takes the cake. To me it would even be more honour to take responsibility for his position and stand on that ground without remorse. However, he's claiming to have changed. If we follow his words, well his words have been consistent and isn't one that a reasonable person would utter if he didn't feel that way or have a trace of such feeling. We cannot trust his words, so we dig his actions to see if we can find evidence that he isn't what his words lead us to believe that he is. Well, we find out that his actions are not favourable and are not neutral in matters of race.
A man of honour would abdicate his position of leading his party, making the self-sacrifice for his ill-behaviour, even if he was honestly remorseful. It is sad to see how politicians lose sense of ethics and pursue self-interest in its extreme measure. His party will suffer the most unfortunately with his decision not to resign [as majority leader].
In any case, there's no justification for Lott's conduct. People do things that are wrong sometimes, and what makes it worse is when people try to justify it. I am aware that the Democrat party was once a party to segregation, but that does not justify the conduct of anyone who was not a Democrat. Resorting to picking on someone else's behaviour only takes care of establishing two wrongs. But two wrongs don't make a right. It does not take away that the conduct in question was inappropriate and discriminatory.
The problem with Lott is that he has made that statement more than once since the end of segregation. It's one thing to feel a certain way yesterday, claim to have changed today but it's another to do what you claimed you had changed about the next day. There is no dispute that his statement crossed the line with its implication. He hasn't argues on semantics. But to further try to justify it by making comparison to other politicians takes the cake. To me it would even be more honour to take responsibility for his position and stand on that ground without remorse. However, he's claiming to have changed. If we follow his words, well his words have been consistent and isn't one that a reasonable person would utter if he didn't feel that way or have a trace of such feeling. We cannot trust his words, so we dig his actions to see if we can find evidence that he isn't what his words lead us to believe that he is. Well, we find out that his actions are not favourable and are not neutral in matters of race.
A man of honour would abdicate his position of leading his party, making the self-sacrifice for his ill-behaviour, even if he was honestly remorseful. It is sad to see how politicians lose sense of ethics and pursue self-interest in its extreme measure. His party will suffer the most unfortunately with his decision not to resign [as majority leader].
Jesus Linflas, I said look at the PATTERN. 123456. that's a pattern. ABCDEF. That's another pattern. Look at his voting records and you'll notice the pattern.
Red Dawn
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Who cares is Lott is a racist or not. Thew means justify the ends and getting that fscktard out of the Senate is worth any underhandedness it takes. The same should happen to Byrd, Dashcele and many other career politicians who have burrowed themselves into public office like a tick in the bunghole of a dog.
Linflas
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I looked at the record and what I see is the voting pattern of a staunch conservative. Once again it is possible to oppose affirmative action legislation, hate crime legislation, DC statehood, creation of a Federal holiday for Martin Luther King Jr, and even the extension of the Voting Rights Act which singled out southern states for special treatment and not be a racist. I am not saying I agree with any or all of those positions but it is possible to take those stands and not be racist. As far as I am concerned this whole flap is nothing more than a tempest in a teapot which is following the same tired old political scandal scenario. I think Morris, a man that I don't really have much respect for, had it nailed in his piece.
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On the contrary. Republicans are now being made out to be the All-Racist party. It's appropriate to point out that there are some powerful Democrats that are known racists, including one who was a KKK member.
Pliablemoose
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One Word "Fvcking Term Limits"
Wait that's 3...
Used to be people serving in an elected office were drug by the electorate kicking & screaming into office. When they'd done what they they needed to do, they left office & went back to their life.
An elected office shouldn't be a career, Christ; Thurmon is 100 years old & still holds an elected office.
Barring term limits, maybe folks could go out & vote & quit bitching...
Wait that's 3...
Used to be people serving in an elected office were drug by the electorate kicking & screaming into office. When they'd done what they they needed to do, they left office & went back to their life.
An elected office shouldn't be a career, Christ; Thurmon is 100 years old & still holds an elected office.
Barring term limits, maybe folks could go out & vote & quit bitching...
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Not at all. Flavio said that this was just a diversionary tactic. I'm just disagreeing with him on that point. All Republicans are being branded as racists now. It's appropriate to point out that there are racists democrats too. There is no perfect political party.
he didnt mean that. he just meant red herring.
lott, a man so insensative that he can make statements supportive/conducive to supporting segregation should not be the majority leader. people should be distancing themselves from thurmond. the fact that the senate majority leader can speak on his behalf, praise him, praise his politics at a time when he was a staunch segregationist does not necessarily mean he is racist, but definitely makes him questionable and at best a man insensative to the plight of minorities, particularly blacks, in this country.
he should step down.
and yes i agree with the sentiments of those saying that the democrats are playing their manipulative political games in exploiting lott's slip. that sucks too. lott shouldn't step down because he loses the political game, but because he's made his last 'racist' slip of a tongue.
my two cents
he didnt mean that. he just meant red herring.
lott, a man so insensative that he can make statements supportive/conducive to supporting segregation should not be the majority leader. people should be distancing themselves from thurmond. the fact that the senate majority leader can speak on his behalf, praise him, praise his politics at a time when he was a staunch segregationist does not necessarily mean he is racist, but definitely makes him questionable and at best a man insensative to the plight of minorities, particularly blacks, in this country.
he should step down.
and yes i agree with the sentiments of those saying that the democrats are playing their manipulative political games in exploiting lott's slip. that sucks too. lott shouldn't step down because he loses the political game, but because he's made his last 'racist' slip of a tongue.
my two cents
he didnt mean that. he just meant red herring.
lott, a man so insensative that he can make statements supportive/conducive to supporting segregation should not be the majority leader. people should be distancing themselves from thurmond. the fact that the senate majority leader can speak on his behalf, praise him, praise his politics at a time when he was a staunch segregationist does not necessarily mean he is racist, but definitely makes him questionable and at best a man insensative to the plight of minorities, particularly blacks, in this country.
he should step down.
and yes i agree with the sentiments of those saying that the democrats are playing their manipulative political games in exploiting lott's slip. that sucks too. lott shouldn't step down because he loses the political game, but because he's made his last 'racist' slip of a tongue.
my two cents
he didnt mean that. he just meant red herring.
lott, a man so insensative that he can make statements supportive/conducive to supporting segregation should not be the majority leader. people should be distancing themselves from thurmond. the fact that the senate majority leader can speak on his behalf, praise him, praise his politics at a time when he was a staunch segregationist does not necessarily mean he is racist, but definitely makes him questionable and at best a man insensative to the plight of minorities, particularly blacks, in this country.
he should step down.
and yes i agree with the sentiments of those saying that the democrats are playing their manipulative political games in exploiting lott's slip. that sucks too. lott shouldn't step down because he loses the political game, but because he's made his last 'racist' slip of a tongue.
my two cents
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