ok, my initial post was extermely misleading, i posted that without playing a game with the patch applied. this is an absolute non-sense, a str8 out gimmick. blizzard just ruined all the existing characters except few dumb ones who managed to put skill/stats which were previously useless, and now they are the one laughing at us. is it just a coincidence they had to do it right before the xpack launch? people on the realms are going nuts, even the ones who considerered purchasing the xpack are so enraged they want to boycott their next product. basically classic diablo2 now is everything xpack is minus better equipment and two character classes. to those of you who are not very familiar with the game, this might sound like a positive change, but what really happened was all the existing chars are rendered completely ineffective. months and a whole year's worth of research and work have gone down the drain...
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***Diablo2 1.08 patch out*** A SAD DAY FOR D2 PLAYERS
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Looks pretty nice. I don't see any changes tht are really that bad. Er wait they already made gambling uniques/sets impossible. Didn't think they'd do that already. Damn. Uniques have level requirements too. Damn. Looks like quite a few changes like the xpac will have.
I'm downloading it now and will play when it's done.
edit: I really hope dupes are gone. They just mess up the economy so bad. No one will give anything for a nice rare anymore because it's all dupes. 🙁
Damn patch d/l timed out at 65%!
edit 2: "Furthermore, we have discouraged item duping by blocking all known duping exploitations and have removed duped items from our servers."
Hah. So anyone on here with dupes lose them?
I'm downloading it now and will play when it's done.
edit: I really hope dupes are gone. They just mess up the economy so bad. No one will give anything for a nice rare anymore because it's all dupes. 🙁
Damn patch d/l timed out at 65%!
edit 2: "Furthermore, we have discouraged item duping by blocking all known duping exploitations and have removed duped items from our servers."
Hah. So anyone on here with dupes lose them?
WTF? I just logged in got to the character screen. My sorc has no wand and no wall of the eyeless. My zon doesn't have her bow.
WTF? I tried to log in as them and it just freezes D2 (have to ctrl-alt-del) but it freezes a lot when the realms are laggy. But that stuff isn't duped. Well it was my friend's account but I doubt he'd get a duped bow. It's 96 dmg anyway I'm pretty sure it was an imbue. He probably gambled eyeless and the wand was a friggin magic wand from Akara. ?? Gotta check my barb maybe his bec that I imbued is somehow duped lol.
edit: Must be a bug that it's not showing them or they are all somehow delete. But every char I got is missing their weapon and/or shield. All their armor is still there.... I can't check if the weapon is there though because it still freezes when I try to play aa char.
edit yet again: Wow did you realize they released 1.07 too and I guess 1.08 right after? Now that I think of it, it has been 1.06 last time I played, er that was this afternoon. 🙂 It looks like basically every xpac change is now for regular D2. Shield blocking for instance, I believe is changed to xpac style (damn hey). Hmm this is quite radical changes and it makes many current chars useless. I wish they didn't do that. I would prob end up buying the xpac but not converting over any chars (just a mule or two) because my current chars would be crap in xpac (which I have no problem with) but when they completely change the game right now... Ugh.
Hmm I guess fanaticism is good since it adds +ar, speed, and now +dmg. Let's start a pally group. Those are fun. 🙂
WTF? I tried to log in as them and it just freezes D2 (have to ctrl-alt-del) but it freezes a lot when the realms are laggy. But that stuff isn't duped. Well it was my friend's account but I doubt he'd get a duped bow. It's 96 dmg anyway I'm pretty sure it was an imbue. He probably gambled eyeless and the wand was a friggin magic wand from Akara. ?? Gotta check my barb maybe his bec that I imbued is somehow duped lol.
edit: Must be a bug that it's not showing them or they are all somehow delete. But every char I got is missing their weapon and/or shield. All their armor is still there.... I can't check if the weapon is there though because it still freezes when I try to play aa char.
edit yet again: Wow did you realize they released 1.07 too and I guess 1.08 right after? Now that I think of it, it has been 1.06 last time I played, er that was this afternoon. 🙂 It looks like basically every xpac change is now for regular D2. Shield blocking for instance, I believe is changed to xpac style (damn hey). Hmm this is quite radical changes and it makes many current chars useless. I wish they didn't do that. I would prob end up buying the xpac but not converting over any chars (just a mule or two) because my current chars would be crap in xpac (which I have no problem with) but when they completely change the game right now... Ugh.
Hmm I guess fanaticism is good since it adds +ar, speed, and now +dmg. Let's start a pally group. Those are fun. 🙂
Ok I logged in.
Well I must say that it's the xpac without new items and chars.
Casting delays. Yes. At least on SF and FO. It sucks! My 3 fastest is equivalent to about having no inc cast speed or MAYBE just one fast. Yippee.
My weapons are all there. Well I assume so just they weren't showing up on char screen. Costs more to gamble. Not as much for me I guess though. My lvl 63 took 50k to gamble rings. Same price for ammies. Btw ammies and rings are always there and you can refresh the list but just going to the npc again. So yeah read the xpac changes. 🙂 And uh gauntlets cost 32650 for me to gamble. Weren't they 38k before? I was trying to help this lvl 77 lancer in chaos to kill d. Well I left after about 30 secs in chaos. Friggin hard! I could easily clear it before with the help of just one or two other people...
I assume shield block is f*****. 🙁
Hmm I only played that little bit... oh and repair costs are way up. Don't know how much but this guy needed 20k from me to repair a lance and I'm pretty sure he already had some.
I guess I'll go back to act1 hell or something heh lucky if I could handle it there. And when I joined the game the guy asked me to leave since it was too hard with me in there (but I stayed someoneelse left).
Wow, nice changes. Outta nowhere they give us xpac changes. I understand the xpac being basically a new game but when you COMPLETELY change a 1-2 year old that's stupid as hell.
Let's start new characters brotherman. We'll need em... 🙁
edit: From the times I casted SF real quick in that game, it looked like it had a casting delay. It didn't go red like FO did but it sure seemed a lot slower. And yeah my sorc moved so friggin slow I thought my boots were gone or something.
It was funny that when I did log on, there was 12k people TOTAL on Bnet. Hah I'm not on now (can't connect) but that's really low. There's usually 20k on USEast alone. Ah this makes me mad. They didn't need to completely change the chars. The xpac can do that but why wreck chars for people that have probably put hundreds of hours into them. I guess the hammerdins are screwed completely. I would hate to be a level 80+ hammerdin!!! I'd still say my barb and sorc are viable maybe with a few changes. I think my zon is still good but hey they don't seem to care that zons are very overpowering.
It's either start a new char or play Tribes 2 tonight instead. Hmph.
Well I must say that it's the xpac without new items and chars.
Casting delays. Yes. At least on SF and FO. It sucks! My 3 fastest is equivalent to about having no inc cast speed or MAYBE just one fast. Yippee.
My weapons are all there. Well I assume so just they weren't showing up on char screen. Costs more to gamble. Not as much for me I guess though. My lvl 63 took 50k to gamble rings. Same price for ammies. Btw ammies and rings are always there and you can refresh the list but just going to the npc again. So yeah read the xpac changes. 🙂 And uh gauntlets cost 32650 for me to gamble. Weren't they 38k before? I was trying to help this lvl 77 lancer in chaos to kill d. Well I left after about 30 secs in chaos. Friggin hard! I could easily clear it before with the help of just one or two other people...
I assume shield block is f*****. 🙁
Hmm I only played that little bit... oh and repair costs are way up. Don't know how much but this guy needed 20k from me to repair a lance and I'm pretty sure he already had some.
I guess I'll go back to act1 hell or something heh lucky if I could handle it there. And when I joined the game the guy asked me to leave since it was too hard with me in there (but I stayed someoneelse left).
Wow, nice changes. Outta nowhere they give us xpac changes. I understand the xpac being basically a new game but when you COMPLETELY change a 1-2 year old that's stupid as hell.
Let's start new characters brotherman. We'll need em... 🙁
edit: From the times I casted SF real quick in that game, it looked like it had a casting delay. It didn't go red like FO did but it sure seemed a lot slower. And yeah my sorc moved so friggin slow I thought my boots were gone or something.
It was funny that when I did log on, there was 12k people TOTAL on Bnet. Hah I'm not on now (can't connect) but that's really low. There's usually 20k on USEast alone. Ah this makes me mad. They didn't need to completely change the chars. The xpac can do that but why wreck chars for people that have probably put hundreds of hours into them. I guess the hammerdins are screwed completely. I would hate to be a level 80+ hammerdin!!! I'd still say my barb and sorc are viable maybe with a few changes. I think my zon is still good but hey they don't seem to care that zons are very overpowering.
It's either start a new char or play Tribes 2 tonight instead. Hmph.
I am soooo f###ing peaved at this change. I have spent a good chunk of time getting some characters up to decent levels with certain skill sets which are absolute crap now. I couldn't kill anything with my level 40 sorc in nightmare, let alone hell difficulty. All this patch does is make people have to buy the expansion pack. I was planning on getting it but this patch has me so mad that I am considering saying screw it and writting a nasty letter to blizzard.
ERJ
ERJ
yeah, whats with weapons not showing? at the first sight, my mule barb was missing two imbued -20 execs with sh!t dmg so i was like oh yeah now everything is gone! lol they better fix it soon... walking is SLOOOOW, but i heard block is alright, checking out my barb in a sec.. i heard BO got a huge boost too...
Well dupes aren't deleted. That's bs from Blizz. Someone had Soul Saw. The name is now Soul Scratch. Everything else is the same as far as mods I believe (don't know what it originally had but it still has good dmg and mods). The guy has 13/55 durability and he needed 55k to repair it. Hmm. Sigons shield looks like bverritt keep too.
Cmon let's start a new char Brotherman. 🙂 Pallies... I bet 90% of new chars will be pallies since FOH rules now supposedly same for fanaticism.
Cmon let's start a new char Brotherman. 🙂 Pallies... I bet 90% of new chars will be pallies since FOH rules now supposedly same for fanaticism.
we should boycott that POS named xpack, someone lead the way i will hop on 🙂
this is just too sad... fvcking bull$hit marketting gimmick. on a positive note, i may finally be cured from curse of diabloii addiction.
long live diablo2, it was fun while i was at it... now the stench of crappack is feeling the realms 🙁
this is just too sad... fvcking bull$hit marketting gimmick. on a positive note, i may finally be cured from curse of diabloii addiction.
long live diablo2, it was fun while i was at it... now the stench of crappack is feeling the realms 🙁
On one hand, yes these changes piss me off a ton. If they were there LONG ago it wouldn't be so bad but this far since the game has been out? That my friends is BS.
OTOH, I could just start a new character fresh.
But I don't think I will. I don't think I'll be buying the xpac either. I just don't feel like supporting Blizzard after that... was just playing again and it sucks. Just isn't right at all.
I got World War 2 Online coming Thursday. I'll play that prob. I might give it a try in a week or so but if I still don't like it I'll give away my stuff and delete it.
OTOH, I could just start a new character fresh.
But I don't think I will. I don't think I'll be buying the xpac either. I just don't feel like supporting Blizzard after that... was just playing again and it sucks. Just isn't right at all.
I got World War 2 Online coming Thursday. I'll play that prob. I might give it a try in a week or so but if I still don't like it I'll give away my stuff and delete it.
Ive had enough of this crap. All it is is a big fat scam. There doing it to make D2 Classic UNPLAYABLE so everyone will go out and buy the expansion pack. 3/4 of my clan is leaving D2, as am I if this isnt fixed ASAP. I've got some of the best items(only a few dupes) in the game, and I CAN BARELY KILL ANYTHING in a 1 player game, and in an 8 player game, forget it. This is such BS.
richleader
Golden Member
Yeah, it's awesome! Soloing is impossible, and if you want to survive hell act 4, you have to buy the exp pack to get better weapons! Marketing genious!
Good Things: Necro will own in PVP--people can't leech off your minions or walls, poison is tremendous, level 29 bone spirit does 510 damage, my level 10 fire golem with level 10 mastery has 3100 hit points--strong enough that an IM'd barb doesn't want to touch it.
Firewall does 3000 damage for sorcs, which has them happy--until they run into an imune.
Bad things: Everyone is slow as hell running now.
I found a socketed grim shield!!!! Which would be frickin amazing if my Block Rate wasn't 4% now with SIGONS!!!
My resists are all around -40 on my necro.
My level 84 barb now does 200 less damage, probably far less than that if everything is 50% resistant to physical, and my magic find gear (tarn, chance guards, boots, ammy) isn't strong enough to let me survive. I'll have to throw on hand of the broc and maybe goblin toe if I wanna do some damage.
I didn't find one rare in all of act 4 hell, partied with two others. Found flawless gems and lots of full rejuvs though. Repair costs for barbs is rough, but not as bad as in the exp pack where more things have plus skills.
Oh, the new char screen is cool too, it reports your AR, defense, and block ratings correctly, against specific monsters (the last one you attacked)--items now give specific +%damage/defense info too, such as faster run = faster run 30%.
It's fun playing in parties and getting your butt handed to you--but if you don't have good equipment now, you'll never get it now that magic users can't gamble frosties and tarns and rares aren't dropping (though if they do, chances are they will be better). The new gamble prices based on level suck too--37K gold to gamble on leather boots? but only still 50K to gamble ring? Hello?
Good Things: Necro will own in PVP--people can't leech off your minions or walls, poison is tremendous, level 29 bone spirit does 510 damage, my level 10 fire golem with level 10 mastery has 3100 hit points--strong enough that an IM'd barb doesn't want to touch it.
Firewall does 3000 damage for sorcs, which has them happy--until they run into an imune.
Bad things: Everyone is slow as hell running now.
I found a socketed grim shield!!!! Which would be frickin amazing if my Block Rate wasn't 4% now with SIGONS!!!
My resists are all around -40 on my necro.
My level 84 barb now does 200 less damage, probably far less than that if everything is 50% resistant to physical, and my magic find gear (tarn, chance guards, boots, ammy) isn't strong enough to let me survive. I'll have to throw on hand of the broc and maybe goblin toe if I wanna do some damage.
I didn't find one rare in all of act 4 hell, partied with two others. Found flawless gems and lots of full rejuvs though. Repair costs for barbs is rough, but not as bad as in the exp pack where more things have plus skills.
Oh, the new char screen is cool too, it reports your AR, defense, and block ratings correctly, against specific monsters (the last one you attacked)--items now give specific +%damage/defense info too, such as faster run = faster run 30%.
It's fun playing in parties and getting your butt handed to you--but if you don't have good equipment now, you'll never get it now that magic users can't gamble frosties and tarns and rares aren't dropping (though if they do, chances are they will be better). The new gamble prices based on level suck too--37K gold to gamble on leather boots? but only still 50K to gamble ring? Hello?
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Good Things: Necro will own in PVP--people can't leech off your minions or walls, poison is tremendous, level 29 bone spirit does 510 damage, my level 10 fire golem with level 10 mastery has 3100 hit points--strong enough that an IM'd barb doesn't want to touch it.
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um... no think again. poison still cant reach ranged attacks fast enuff, your cast speed is MUCH slower, you walk MUCH slower, and you will be left with close to NO block, whereas the barb a bit slower however, will have a lot more life. 3000ish barbs now have well over 4000. against barbs necros are just as good as dead. its the palys you should fear, that will deal insane unaviodable dmg with FoH...
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Firewall does 3000 damage for sorcs, which has them happy--until they run into an imune.
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again, lvling stuff... could care less.
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Bad things: Everyone is slow as hell running now.
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sux, doesnt it.
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I found a socketed grim shield!!!! Which would be frickin amazing if my Block Rate wasn't 4% now with SIGONS!!!
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little you know what they done to blocking. dex is required for any acceptable % of block, besieds your block % scales DOWN with your lvl. my sorcie at 87 has 2% to block, my 46 vitabarb who wonce had 75% block now boasts godly 51%. pffft. the only consolating point is holy shield is upgraded, palys should rejoice.
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My level 84 barb now does 200 less damage, probably far less than that if everything is 50% resistant to physical, and my magic find gear (tarn, chance guards, boots, ammy) isn't strong enough to let me survive. I'll have to throw on hand of the broc and maybe goblin toe if I wanna do some damage.
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who cares what monsters do. at that level you should know people continuously spending time on the game without deserting it are mostly duelers, and dueling got the shaft, thats what weare mourning over.
<< and block ratings correctly, >>
you mean the messed up block ratings dont you?
DJediMaster
Senior member
Where has all the fun gone to?
My level 83 barb has been nerfed. Many hours of gameply down the drain....wasted. I haven't even tried any of my other character classes yet. I feel robbed. Every monster you encounter feels like an Izzy. What's the fun in that? I find it very frustrating and time consuming to play now not to mention boring. It's more of a chore than anything else. I had high hopes for the Xpack..now i don't even think i am going to bother with it. If this was blizzard's idea to fix the lag problems..they have succeeded.
My level 83 barb has been nerfed. Many hours of gameply down the drain....wasted. I haven't even tried any of my other character classes yet. I feel robbed. Every monster you encounter feels like an Izzy. What's the fun in that? I find it very frustrating and time consuming to play now not to mention boring. It's more of a chore than anything else. I had high hopes for the Xpack..now i don't even think i am going to bother with it. If this was blizzard's idea to fix the lag problems..they have succeeded.
richleader
Golden Member
Brotherman said,
<< little you know what they done to blocking. dex is required for any acceptable % of block, besieds your block % scales DOWN with your lvl. my sorcie at 87 has 2% to block, my 46 vitabarb who wonce had 75% block now boasts godly 51%. pffft. the only consolating point is holy shield is upgraded, palys should rejoice. >>
I knew exactly what they did to blocking--I read the beta testing forums at lurkerlounge and diabloii.net daily. Of course, it was wonderful of you to arrogantly decide to phrase your statement like that assuming everyone doesn't know as "much" as you. Get over yourself brother man, just report the facts.
<< who cares what monsters do. at that level you should know people continuously spending time on the game without deserting it are mostly duelers, and dueling got the shaft, thats what weare mourning over. >>
Oh give it a rest. You "uber" in your own mind duelers aren't as prevalent or important to the game as you think you are. Those of us who don't eb@y duped equipment just so you can survive against dexazons and have enough vitality because you have the -40 reqs super weapons--play for drops, and they're gone now, even with high magic find. You play the game your way, but don't go "preaching" your bs to everyone else.
I do think that critical strike on barbs is broken now--it was nerfed in half, to 20% down from 40% at level 20--but I don't see the flashes that indicate a strike anymore.
<< little you know what they done to blocking. dex is required for any acceptable % of block, besieds your block % scales DOWN with your lvl. my sorcie at 87 has 2% to block, my 46 vitabarb who wonce had 75% block now boasts godly 51%. pffft. the only consolating point is holy shield is upgraded, palys should rejoice. >>
I knew exactly what they did to blocking--I read the beta testing forums at lurkerlounge and diabloii.net daily. Of course, it was wonderful of you to arrogantly decide to phrase your statement like that assuming everyone doesn't know as "much" as you. Get over yourself brother man, just report the facts.
<< who cares what monsters do. at that level you should know people continuously spending time on the game without deserting it are mostly duelers, and dueling got the shaft, thats what weare mourning over. >>
Oh give it a rest. You "uber" in your own mind duelers aren't as prevalent or important to the game as you think you are. Those of us who don't eb@y duped equipment just so you can survive against dexazons and have enough vitality because you have the -40 reqs super weapons--play for drops, and they're gone now, even with high magic find. You play the game your way, but don't go "preaching" your bs to everyone else.
I do think that critical strike on barbs is broken now--it was nerfed in half, to 20% down from 40% at level 20--but I don't see the flashes that indicate a strike anymore.
<< Oh give it a rest. You "uber" in your own mind duelers aren't as prevalent or important to the game as you think you are. Those of us who don't eb@y duped equipment just so you can survive against dexazons and have enough vitality because you have the -40 reqs super weapons--play for drops, and they're gone now, even with high magic find. You play the game your way, but don't go "preaching" your bs to everyone else.
I do think that critical strike on barbs is broken now--it was nerfed in half, to 20% down from 40% at level 20--but I don't see the flashes that indicate a strike anymore. >>
your reply somehow seemed to applaud what bliz has done to the fine game, so i had to vent my anger on you with my cynicism, sorry about that. well now that you mentioned it, i never could afford a single dupe, no i not so crazy to pay cold cash either... the only mf barb i ever had is the one i inherted from a friend of mine who quit playing about 2 weeks ago (what a timely withdrawl!), but i do manage to lay a smack down on <70 dexazons with my vitabarb. yeah he does use -40 req exec, but for most part he had been using dacian falx instead. another barb of mine, who is a tank wears -40 892 ornate, but just like any other items of mine, 100% legit and self acquired (since i am ignorant to trading values for most part, i dont trade much)
hey now, wanna make some new chars? i am making a FoH paly, it seems like bliz got it going for them 🙂
FOR A MOMENT I WAS HAPPY ALL THE DUPES WERE GONE! I NEVER HAD A SINGLE DUPE!
richleader
Golden Member
Hey, sorry that I counter-lashed. Yeah, I'm dissappointed to, I just appreciate the added and detailed info that the interface now provides--telling you exactly how much you chars suck. 😛 I'm most pissed that I gambled 1.6 million trying to get unique boots last week and score some goblins but I came up empty handed, and now I'll probably have to trade an extra tarn or so for them--I thought I had a few more weeks to stock up on stuff! Bastards!
I did have fun partying my level 80 tweaked necro (cookie +9 skills setup) with a high level barb and sorc--and actually still having a challenge in the outer plains, I could be happy with that as long as they fix the drops.
I seemed to get decent experience in act 3 hell with my barb, which was nifty, and as I have about 400% gold find, I actually managed to do better than break even with repairs :shudder: I still swear critical strike isn't working though.
Fastest boots are now reported as faster %--it's funny how everyone is reporting this as a bug right now.
As far as my necro goes, I really don't know how dueling will work, you're right, I am way too slow now, especially with the now semi-useless sigons. If I drop that and throw on blinkbats though, once I deny a barb whirlwind, running while spamming 300 damage a second poison novas might be effective--more effective than BS, I don't know. The automatic hit of nova while dodging leap attacks seems like a good plan (I'm more of a counter-pk'er than a dueler so most of my victories are against barbs and through Iron Maiden--potions would completely negate the nova strategy). Zons are going to be much more dangerous now, but I have yet to substantiate if Guided arrow is going to be slower like the rumors say. Too lazy to log on with my zon. Of course, in three weeks, Assassins are going to kill everyone but WW barbs--just teleporting to them and kicking them in the head, tiger tiger tiger strike, not to mention they have an able decoy that is virtually indistinguishable... owning sorcs, necros and zons until we come up with something (casting bone prison on yourself, acting like a fort and spamming bs? teleporting back and forth between firewalls?)
I'm not sold on how great FOH will be. On paper is just doesn't seem that impressive still, thought paper doesn't express how the shock stuns. Does fanaticism speed up an WW attack in the exp? Did this last patch fix zeal (and fend) desyncing problems? I started a new Pal the other day and twinked him heavily and I'm saving points--don't know which way to go with it.
I did have fun partying my level 80 tweaked necro (cookie +9 skills setup) with a high level barb and sorc--and actually still having a challenge in the outer plains, I could be happy with that as long as they fix the drops.
I seemed to get decent experience in act 3 hell with my barb, which was nifty, and as I have about 400% gold find, I actually managed to do better than break even with repairs :shudder: I still swear critical strike isn't working though.
Fastest boots are now reported as faster %--it's funny how everyone is reporting this as a bug right now.
As far as my necro goes, I really don't know how dueling will work, you're right, I am way too slow now, especially with the now semi-useless sigons. If I drop that and throw on blinkbats though, once I deny a barb whirlwind, running while spamming 300 damage a second poison novas might be effective--more effective than BS, I don't know. The automatic hit of nova while dodging leap attacks seems like a good plan (I'm more of a counter-pk'er than a dueler so most of my victories are against barbs and through Iron Maiden--potions would completely negate the nova strategy). Zons are going to be much more dangerous now, but I have yet to substantiate if Guided arrow is going to be slower like the rumors say. Too lazy to log on with my zon. Of course, in three weeks, Assassins are going to kill everyone but WW barbs--just teleporting to them and kicking them in the head, tiger tiger tiger strike, not to mention they have an able decoy that is virtually indistinguishable... owning sorcs, necros and zons until we come up with something (casting bone prison on yourself, acting like a fort and spamming bs? teleporting back and forth between firewalls?)
I'm not sold on how great FOH will be. On paper is just doesn't seem that impressive still, thought paper doesn't express how the shock stuns. Does fanaticism speed up an WW attack in the exp? Did this last patch fix zeal (and fend) desyncing problems? I started a new Pal the other day and twinked him heavily and I'm saving points--don't know which way to go with it.
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