Diabetes Insipidus.... (not to do with insulin or glucose so hold the Brimley memes)

[bradly1101]

There can be a lot of problems with too much water besides urinary frequency. The body (especially the brain) works best at a certain salinity/electrolyte level. Once you start pissing that good stuff out and replace it with water, the salinity/electrolyte level drops and there can be misfires in the brain leading to agitation, confusion and in extreme cases seizure and death. I've seen it advance to the seizure stage with someone who was OCD with water drinking. His doctor said that the body only needs a liter and a half per day.

 

[waffleironhead]

I'm not sure what you expect. Why do you drink so much water instead of just EATING something?

If he has out of control hunger pangs, no amount of food will stop the hunger.
He's trying to fix the hunger pangs by overloading the stomach with water.

Why are you focusing on the symptom caused by your excessive water consumption?
Why not look for the cause of the constant hunger? Some sort of hormonal problem? Hyperthyroidism?

 

[Carson Dyle]

Hunger is a sign of dehydration.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning.

Can't win.

 

[bradley]

For fuck's sake read the fucking posts before you start typing. Why is that so difficult? I'm sorry but I cannot begin to tell you how much this shit infuriates me. It's like you're too lazy to read something, but you're still arrogant enough to write a long winded post that is completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Even the fucking thread title says "Not to do with insulin or glucose".

I did (in fact) read through your long-winded and (at times) inarticulate original post and subsequent ones.

I've been up and down the scale ranging from 225 - 390lbs 4 times.

Do you know how *incredibly* punishing such extreme weight fluctuations are on your vital organs, including your heart and pancreas? Playing the body accordion could increase the future likelihood for heart disease and diabeetus etc. and thus greatly affect lifespan. At least you are smart enough to display some concern.

But yeah, you have the whole yoyo thing figured out now. You are simply asking a rhetorical question to a wide audience, in order to demonstrate your intelligence while dispensing basic nutrition information regarding healthful solutions -- eg “nature valley fruit and nut granola bar.” Not to mention, those processed refined carbs are like eating a bag of sugar.

BTW, my posts are meant as general information for everyone, not necessarily a myopic someone who likely deserves whatever eventual fate upon which happens to him/her.

But again, good luck with the fluctuating weight and water and refined oat bar diet mr. horsey.

I'm not sure what you expect. Why do you drink so much water instead of just EATING something?

Because that would be approaching something like basic common sense?

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Because that would be approaching something like basic common sense?

Yes, of course it's common sense to drink heaps and then complain about how you're now peeing heaps.

 

[amicold]

OP needs to go to the doctor not for thirst but to hear them tell him to lose some weight. Find some other way to curb food cravings (anorectic) and try dropping weight. Unless you have found some way to defy thermodynamics, you must be taking in more than you estimate.

 

[brianmanahan]

paging dr rudeguy

 

[88keys]

Update:
Today I decided to try drinkin gatorade (non watered down) instead of my 2 glasses of water in the morning.
And today Ive noticed much less urination and I was only needing to go about once an hour iearly in the morning instead of 30-40 mins. And keep in mind that it was super cold this morning and that usually worsens the situation.

I would have figured that i would have been getting enough naturally occuring sodium in my diet, but maybe I really am not getting enough sodium.

my appetite increase my be a result of a desire of sodium because I alost never add salt to anything and I don't eat salty snacks regularly. maybe overeating was what gave me enough sodium throughout the day too.

 

[Carson Dyle]

Dude, you're driving yourself nuts. You're hungry because you're thirsty because you're hungry because you're ...

 

[88keys]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reading_comprehension

 

[TheVrolok]

Update:
Today I decided to try drinkin gatorade (non watered down) instead of my 2 glasses of water in the morning.
And today Ive noticed much less urination and I was only needing to go about once an hour iearly in the morning instead of 30-40 mins. And keep in mind that it was super cold this morning and that usually worsens the situation.

I would have figured that i would have been getting enough naturally occuring sodium in my diet, but maybe I really am not getting enough sodium.

my appetite increase my be a result of a desire of sodium because I alost never add salt to anything and I don't eat salty snacks regularly. maybe overeating was what gave me enough sodium throughout the day too.

If you're eating enough to support the weights you've mentioned before, I can't imagine you're actually not taking in enough sodium unless your diet is truly bizarre. What makes you think you have a deficiency in sodium?

 

[Crono]

Update:
Today I decided to try drinkin gatorade (non watered down) instead of my 2 glasses of water in the morning.
And today Ive noticed much less urination and I was only needing to go about once an hour iearly in the morning instead of 30-40 mins. And keep in mind that it was super cold this morning and that usually worsens the situation.

I would have figured that i would have been getting enough naturally occuring sodium in my diet, but maybe I really am not getting enough sodium.

my appetite increase my be a result of a desire of sodium because I alost never add salt to anything and I don't eat salty snacks regularly. maybe overeating was what gave me enough sodium throughout the day too.

Stop drinking so much water. It's doubtful you would have a real problem if you are drinking normal amount of liquid and not trying to use water to affect your appetite. You don't need as much water if you cut your sodium intake, or vice versa. If you have a weight issue, tackle that directly through calorie cutting and exercise, the two proven methods of weight loss. Gatorade isn't a sodium supplement either, by the way, it's just a small amount (usually less than 200mg a bottle) and partly offset by potassium.

I'd recommend drinking green tea to help with craving control if you really want something with zero calories to drink or sip on after breakfast and to help a little with weight loss, but that would make you urinate more (it acts like a diuretic, as does coffee and other caffeinated beverages, in addition to being mildly thermogenic). If appetite is your real problem, get more fiber in your diet. If you have a truly healthy diet with a lot of leafy greens and other vegetables, fruits, whole grains, etc, just the low calorie and high volume nature of those foods should keep it in check. Aim for 1,800 to 2,000 calories a day, not 2,500. You would be surprised by how much food 1,800 calories is when it's veggies and fruits (preferably raw when possible, or at least minimally processed) making up the bulk of it.

A "nature valley fruit and nut granola bar" isn't that great an option, either, as it's mostly just sugar (carbohydrates), and it's not that filling. It's good snack for energy if you are hiking or doing something else that burns a lot of calories and need a small snack, but it's NOT the basis of a good diet. Granola in general is calorie dense and not the best option for maintaining or losing weight. I don't know what else you are eating for your meals throughout the day, though, but 2,600 calories means it's probably not as healthy as you think.

I switched to a vegan diet 2 years ago (for more reasons than just weight loss, but that is one reason out of many) and my weight went from 215 lbs down to 187 lbs without much effort at all, most of it occurring in just a few months after switching. All that fiber rich food is filling. Currently limiting my calories to 1600 to get it down to my goal of 175 lbs. You don't need to become a vegan to fit more vegetables and fruits into your diet, though.

P.S. Go ask your doctor about all this. I highly doubt it's diabetes insipidus. Drinking a lot of water just makes you pee. Relatively simple, and I bet he/she puts it the same way.

 

[Carson Dyle]

(Anyone else beginning to wonder whether or not this guy will even believe a doctor who gives him a totally clean bill of health?)




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[OverVolt]

Get electrolyte labs.

 

[GasX]

I've lost a lot of weight (collectivly speaking at 700lbs in my life) and I've tried a lot of different ways and I've got a pretty good idea as to what works and what does not.

Has it stayed off? I don't think you really get to qualify as an expert.

I bet that if you eat less and exercise more and maintain that philosophy forevermore, you will lose and keep off the weight.

 

[Strk]

So you're drinking more to curb your appetite? That's not going to work. And while you say you eat mostly healthy, I'm curious what that actually means. But I would definitely stop drinking so much water if you're just forcing yourself to do it. Water intoxication (hyponatremia) is actually hard to do short of a medical intervention; then it is actually pretty easy. As for a lack of sodium, I highly doubt that. Anyone in the developed world, especially an American, is getting plenty of sodium. Having a doctor run a few labs wouldn't hurt either, but it sounds like you've already had that done (urinalysis etc). Honestly, check out http://www.choosemyplate.gov/ and see how your diet actually stacks up. You could be lacking things like whole grains, protein, dietary fiber and so on. A balanced diet actually curbs hunger because your body isn't trying to crave something that it isn't getting (and I don't just mean wanting a Snickers bar).

 

[tortillasoup]

As for a lack of sodium, I highly doubt that. Anyone in the developed world, especially an American, is getting plenty of sodium. Having a doctor run a few labs wouldn't hurt either, but it sounds like you've already had that done (urinalysis etc). Honestly, check out http://www.choosemyplate.gov/ and see how your diet actually stacks up. You could be lacking things like whole grains, protein, dietary fiber and so on. A balanced diet actually curbs hunger because your body isn't trying to crave something that it isn't getting (and I don't just mean wanting a Snickers bar).

I wouldn't make broad assumptions like that because this is obviously an unusual case. OP could possibly have enough sodium in his diet but not enough potassium, disturbing the potassium sodium balance in his body.

My suggestion to OP is go for some walks, wear something so he can make some sweat, drink lots of gatorade instead of water as that has a balance of potassium and sodium, eat some bananas, take some vitamin C tablets and multivitamin tablets, go to the grocery store, get a bag of mixed vegetables (like carrots, corn, green beans), eat that. Get some red meat or even small frozen hamburgers, eat some of that (don't over do it). Now, while doing every little step here and there, he should observe how he feels to see if the steps he's doing feel like they're helping or not. He definitely has an imbalance in his body, but it's hard to say what it is.


Don't assume that he has appropriate sodium/potassium levels even with a blood test saying they're within the acceptable range as the body works hard to make the potassium/sodium levels in the blood normal, at the expense of everything else. For the levels in the blood to be messed up would mean a severe deficiency which is a little late at that point.

 

[CottonRabbit]

Don't assume that he has appropriate sodium/potassium levels even with a blood test saying they're within the acceptable range as the body works hard to make the potassium/sodium levels in the blood normal, at the expense of everything else. For the levels in the blood to be messed up would mean a severe deficiency which is a little late at that point.

Not true. A blood test for sodium gives an very accurate measure of the body's sodium content because the body's sodium is almost entirely found extracellularly (in the blood). A few conditions (acidosis, insulin use) can cause a blood test report a falsely normal potassium when the body's stores are actually depleted, but these conditions would have obvious symptoms. If OP gets a normal blood test, I would stop worrying about it.

 

[tortillasoup]

Not true. A blood test for sodium gives an very accurate measure of the body's sodium content because the body's sodium is almost entirely found extracellularly (in the blood).

That was the consensus for several decades but recent research has shown that sodium is actually stored in the skin and muscle tissue.

http://news.vanderbilt.edu/2013/06/skin-salt-blood-pressure/

Yeah it's big news and it explains why so many people have trouble controlling their blood pressure, edema in their extremities, etc. Why "magically" athletic people and people who do manual labor don't have such issues.

If OP gets a normal blood test, I would stop worrying about it.

Last year around august, I went out to dinner with a friend on a Friday and both he and I suffered from "Chinese Restaurant Syndrome" with identical symptoms. Well, trying to remain calm throughout the weekened despite heart attack like symptoms, I had a blood test done that Monday and my blood test results showed "normal". Yet, throughout the week, I intermittently had Heart palpitations, chest pain, panic attacks, etc. that would come and go throughout that week. It wasn't until the following Friday or Saturday did my symptoms finally calm down.

Just this week, I experienced the exact same sort of attack minus the heart palpitations. The difference that preceded this attack was that I didn't have any MSG but I was consuming quite a bit of salt, about 5g worth (Hash browns). Also a new symptom emerged and that was my head/brain felt like it was being inflated which I've never felt before. Sinuses were completely clear which is actually sort of unusual for me. So I took an anxiety test online, described my physical symptoms and the site concluded that I had anxiety issues. Most people assuming anxiety issues are in the person's head but after doing some reading online and reading stories from people on how they've treated their Anxiety issues, it seems there are a lot of cases where it's the product of excessive sodium in the body. Drinking lots of water only somewhat alleviated my symptoms. It wasn't until I actually broke a sweat did my symptoms improve the following morning. Like if I didn't sweat at ALL that day, my symptoms didn't improve the following day, but if I DID break a sweat, somehow, physical activity being completely irrelevant (under blankets, hot room, etc), the symptoms improved the following day.



Now I know this isn't really relevant to OP and I'm just sort of data dumping my problems but I wanted to point out that OP can't be guaranteed to be in a good bill of health just because he's had some blood tests. $700 in blood tests did me absolutely no good in figuring out the problems I was experiencing last August.

 

[OBLAMA2009]

So I've had trouble with controllin my weight throughout my adult life and I've been up and down the scale ranging from 225 - 390lbs 4 times. I back down on the lower end again and the only way that I can seem to control my appetite is to drink a lot of water. I typically drink around during 1.5 gallons per day and 40 oz of that is first thing in the morning. As a result I can curb my appetite until it is time for me to eat but I have to urinate every 30-60 minutes throughout the day and itsame usually worse during the colder months if the year.
The thing is when I'm heavy, I don't drink nearly as much water or fluids in general and my urinary frequency
returns to normal but my appetite goes out of control

my diet is mostly pretty healthy. The worst thing I have every day is a nature valley fruit and nut granola bar, and I eat a large breakfast followed by several smaller meals throughout the day totaling up to about 2500 calories.
the method I'm using now has been the easiest to stick to and but i cant stick to it if i cut back on the water.


FWIW, I have been Tested for diabetes several times and my blood sugar and cholesterol were normal even at my heaviest weight.

you should adopt a raw vegan lifestyle, that will cure your diabetes outright

 

[Strk]

I wouldn't make broad assumptions like that because this is obviously an unusual case. OP could possibly have enough sodium in his diet but not enough potassium, disturbing the potassium sodium balance in his body.

My suggestion to OP is go for some walks, wear something so he can make some sweat, drink lots of gatorade instead of water as that has a balance of potassium and sodium, eat some bananas, take some vitamin C tablets and multivitamin tablets, go to the grocery store, get a bag of mixed vegetables (like carrots, corn, green beans), eat that. Get some red meat or even small frozen hamburgers, eat some of that (don't over do it). Now, while doing every little step here and there, he should observe how he feels to see if the steps he's doing feel like they're helping or not. He definitely has an imbalance in his body, but it's hard to say what it is.


Don't assume that he has appropriate sodium/potassium levels even with a blood test saying they're within the acceptable range as the body works hard to make the potassium/sodium levels in the blood normal, at the expense of everything else. For the levels in the blood to be messed up would mean a severe deficiency which is a little late at that point.

Considering he hasn't said he has any of the symptoms for hypokalemia either, I would still go with it is something else. I'd still like to hear what his diet actually is because I don't think it is as healthy as he claims. Severe electrolyte deficiencies are very dangerous and he hasn't described a symptom of any of them even when overloading on water.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

I think there is probably some extremely severe fatlogic going on in this thread.

The fatlogic distortion field is extremely powerful.

 

[GasX]

drink lots of gatorade instead of water as that has a balance of potassium and sodium.

The last thing someone struggling with weight issues should do is chug sugar water.

 

[TheVrolok]

Hilarious thread is becoming hilarious.

 

[tortillasoup]

Considering he hasn't said he has any of the symptoms for hypokalemia either, I would still go with it is something else. I'd still like to hear what his diet actually is because I don't think it is as healthy as he claims. Severe electrolyte deficiencies are very dangerous and he hasn't described a symptom of any of them even when overloading on water.

Well you don't have to have a severe potassium deficiency to do what OP is doing, just enough to make him feel like he has an insatiable hunger/thirst. We honestly don't know shit about OP and unfortunately I don't think doctors will be able to help him either (sort of his fault). Who knows what he eats or does.

The last thing someone struggling with weight issues should do is chug sugar water.

Oh please, he's not going to get obese on a bottle or two of gatorade, even the large bottles. Shit I don't think he can even become fat on gatorade, he'd have to be drinking gallons of that stuff per day which I don't recommend.