DHS via Customs Now Has The Right to Seize and Copy All Your Digital Media

[NaughtyGeek]

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All right now, WTF? I disagreed with the BS that they could view your files when crossing the border yet folks don't seem to care as people may be smuggling in kiddie porn. Now they're straight up taking your PC and inspecting it without cause, direction, or oversight. I am sick to my stomach. Why does taking a flight automatically revoke your right to privacy? What the hell is happening to this country?

 

[ericlp]

When will you learn? You have no rights.... Get it? Got it? Good.... Now carry on.

As for me, I wouldn't bring my laptop on a flight unless all my flies were encrypted. Can you imagine all your bank and personal files and passwords exposed to some zit faced teen wannabe airport security that copied your files and now spreads it across the internet?

What does kiddie porn have to do with terrorism or airport security?

Hey bob, did you see that plane crash? Must of been all the kiddie porn on board.

 

[MadRat]

Terrorists
White Racists
Polluters
Pedophiles

...are just an excuse to levy more rules on the population as a whole. If they just enforced the 3 billion existing rules we'd all be in jail yesterday. When people learn to take action for themselves they won't need some overpaid good-for-nothing politicians reinventing life-as-we-know-it on them. It's funny that the "conservatives" of this government are actually far more destructive to society than any liberal could ever do harm.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek
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All right now, WTF? I disagreed with the BS that they could view your files when crossing the border yet folks don't seem to care as people may be smuggling in kiddie porn. Now they're straight up taking your PC and inspecting it without cause, direction, or oversight. I am sick to my stomach. Why does taking a flight automatically revoke your right to privacy? What the hell is happening to this country?

What right to privacy ? (in all seriousness)

 

[shabby]

I swear im gonna carry a usb stick with tons of goatse and any other stupid pictures on it that will make the person inspecting it sick to his stomach... that'll teach him.

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: ericlp
When will you learn? You have no rights.... Get it? Got it? Good.... Now carry on.

As for me, I wouldn't bring my laptop on a flight unless all my flies were encrypted. Can you imagine all your bank and personal files and passwords exposed to some zit faced teen wannabe airport security that copied your files and now spreads it across the internet?

What does kiddie porn have to do with terrorism or airport security?

Hey bob, did you see that plane crash? Must of been all the kiddie porn on board.

Aren't you required to give up the key if files are encrypted? Of course, if a person refused, I guess DHS would have to take them to court for obstructing justice, and surely the judge would throw the case out on the grounds of it being an unconstitutional search.

To be honest, this recent practice scares the crap out of me, I think DHS is greatly overstepping their authority. Congress or the courts need to put a stop to it.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Just tell them you forgot the password.

The Attorney General of the US forgot far more.

 

[NaughtyGeek]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek
Yahoo News Link

All right now, WTF? I disagreed with the BS that they could view your files when crossing the border yet folks don't seem to care as people may be smuggling in kiddie porn. Now they're straight up taking your PC and inspecting it without cause, direction, or oversight. I am sick to my stomach. Why does taking a flight automatically revoke your right to privacy? What the hell is happening to this country?

What right to privacy ? (in all seriousness)

Excuse me, I misspoke. I tend to interchange privacy and unlawful search and seizure.

 

[babylon5]

We hate visitors to USA, especially if they are legally crossing into our border. Couldn't tourists go to some other countries? We gotta make them hate USA, it's part of State Department's mission to drive tourists and their money away from USA!!

It's just another small step in making USA one of the worst countries for tourists and business people to visit, in addition to TSA molesting
and Xray passengers to the bones.

Sad thing is, we hear procedures like this, but most Americans just zone out like zombies. No protest, nothing. We give away our rights (and visitors to USA too) to the government.

 

[fallout man]

I recall a high-court lawsuit regarding this issue.

Some guy had his HD encrypted, and would not give up the password to the DHS goons at the border.

I think he lost that battle.

 

[babylon5]

"In those cases, nearly all of the individuals were of Muslim, Middle Eastern, or South Asian background"

NAACP and ACLU should get on their case?!?

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: babylon5
"In those cases, nearly all of the individuals were of Muslim, Middle Eastern, or South Asian background"

NAACP and ACLU should get on their case?!?

WE should get on their case. If they can do it to brown people with no regard to privacy or legality, it's a hop-skip-and-a-jump away before your laptop is cloned at the border every time you fly.

Sensitive company data? : Go fuck yourself. This is HOMELAND SECURITY BIDNESS.
Personal things you'd rather not have read by anyone? : Go fuck yourself. This is HOMELAND SECURITY BIDNESS.

Just email/SSH your shit before crossing the border, and then format your HD. Put a LazyTown background on your desktop, and enjoy the border.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek
Yahoo News Link

All right now, WTF? I disagreed with the BS that they could view your files when crossing the border yet folks don't seem to care as people may be smuggling in kiddie porn. Now they're straight up taking your PC and inspecting it without cause, direction, or oversight. I am sick to my stomach. Why does taking a flight automatically revoke your right to privacy? What the hell is happening to this country?

What right to privacy ? (in all seriousness)

The right in the fourth amendment to the freedom from unreasonable searches, etc.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek
Yahoo News Link

All right now, WTF? I disagreed with the BS that they could view your files when crossing the border yet folks don't seem to care as people may be smuggling in kiddie porn. Now they're straight up taking your PC and inspecting it without cause, direction, or oversight. I am sick to my stomach. Why does taking a flight automatically revoke your right to privacy? What the hell is happening to this country?

What right to privacy ? (in all seriousness)

Excuse me, I misspoke. I tend to interchange privacy and unlawful search and seizure.

That right includes 'the right to privacy', as the Supreme Court has recognized. Just because they used other words than privacy doesn't mean the right doesn't include it.

If they said you had the right to a half dozen eggs, the government couldn't seize your eggs by calling them six instead.

The right to be free from unreasonable search is a right to privacy.

 

[Xcobra]

What about if someone is carrying sensitive data? Would confidentiality be jeopardized?

 

[PrinceofWands]

If they ever pull this stuff on me you'll be hearing about it on the news because I'd fight to the death before turning over my private property to them without a warrant (and even then I'd destroy it before turning it over).

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek
Yahoo News Link

All right now, WTF? I disagreed with the BS that they could view your files when crossing the border yet folks don't seem to care as people may be smuggling in kiddie porn. Now they're straight up taking your PC and inspecting it without cause, direction, or oversight. I am sick to my stomach. Why does taking a flight automatically revoke your right to privacy? What the hell is happening to this country?

What right to privacy ? (in all seriousness)

The right in the fourth amendment to the freedom from unreasonable searches, etc.

Yeah but the the courts(the 9th circuit) have already upheld searches at border entry locations. They are "different" and the Feds do NOT need resonable suspecison. The DHS is arguing that a laptop is nothing more than a digital briefcase.

Last I checked, the 9th was the most liberal court in the land, and they are the ones that found random searches without resonable suspecision legal. Now the question is, is a laptop a storage device similar to a brief case or any other piece of luggage? It can be argued that way, and thats what DHS is doing.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Originally posted by: ericlp
When will you learn? You have no rights.... Get it? Got it? Good.... Now carry on.

As for me, I wouldn't bring my laptop on a flight unless all my flies were encrypted. Can you imagine all your bank and personal files and passwords exposed to some zit faced teen wannabe airport security that copied your files and now spreads it across the internet?

What does kiddie porn have to do with terrorism or airport security?

Hey bob, did you see that plane crash? Must of been all the kiddie porn on board.

Aren't you required to give up the key if files are encrypted? Of course, if a person refused, I guess DHS would have to take them to court for obstructing justice, and surely the judge would throw the case out on the grounds of it being an unconstitutional search.

To be honest, this recent practice scares the crap out of me, I think DHS is greatly overstepping their authority. Congress or the courts need to put a stop to it.

The courts, the 9th circuit to be exact, are the ones who have given DHS to conduct random seaches without reason at border entry locations.


It'll be several years before the Supreme Court would be able to rule on the issue. Unless the 9th clarifies what can be searched and what cannot be searched, its going to be open game on electronic devices.

 

[dahunan]

Soon they will have decency laws and you will go to jail for haivng any explicit photos on your computer.. even if with you and your wife or gf..

I guess this is closer to SOVIET UNION?? We don't own anything

 

[babylon5]

New tourism slogan from State Department: "Come to USA, #1 in the World. Oh, and we will steal your computers and digital cameras".

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Originally posted by: ericlp
When will you learn? You have no rights.... Get it? Got it? Good.... Now carry on.

As for me, I wouldn't bring my laptop on a flight unless all my flies were encrypted. Can you imagine all your bank and personal files and passwords exposed to some zit faced teen wannabe airport security that copied your files and now spreads it across the internet?

What does kiddie porn have to do with terrorism or airport security?

Hey bob, did you see that plane crash? Must of been all the kiddie porn on board.

Aren't you required to give up the key if files are encrypted? Of course, if a person refused, I guess DHS would have to take them to court for obstructing justice, and surely the judge would throw the case out on the grounds of it being an unconstitutional search.

To be honest, this recent practice scares the crap out of me, I think DHS is greatly overstepping their authority. Congress or the courts need to put a stop to it.

Truecrypt + Hidden volumes, they will never know

 

[PokerGuy]

This is indeed scary that we've allowed this paranoia to get so out of control as to cause us to give up our constitutional rights. I guess it just means you have to make sure that every piece of electronic information you have that you consider sensitive in any way needs to be encrypted using something like trucrypt. I already do that with my flash drives today, I use PGP for my desktop stuff.....