DF- Important DF project info - all DF'ers please read

[FoBoT]

Howard is looking for input about the future of the DF project.
Those involved with DF please read the thread and add any comments you might have.
One of the BEST things about DF/Howard is that they look for input from the users, so lets give our input to the upcoming changes.

Link

excerpt (only a small piece, please go to the other forum and read the whole thing and all the comments)

The new more complex algorithm is coming along now, and I wanted to get some input so we can get any concerns out in the open now while its still being built. As currently planned, here are the major changes on the user's side that you would experience:

 

[Insidious]

Thanks FoBoT...... Headding there now

-Sid

(edit after reading the thread)
Everyone resists change, so this will probably freak some people out, but as long as he doesn't alienate the sneakernetters (he now says he won't)
and he makes sure the client/servers work BEFORE deployment, I think it will be fine.

 

[Terrahawk]

It all sounds most interesting. All of it should be fine for me as I have no sneakernetted machines 🙂

 

[bfour]

_ SID and Fobot, I cannot get inthe DF forums, but 80% of my herd is sneakernetted, and may go 3-4 days for a dump, please help! I wan't to contribute, but I would lose about 5 GHZ! Otherwise they will sit idle!

 

[bunker]

Originally posted by: bfour
_ SID and Fobot, I cannot get inthe DF forums, but 80% of my herd is sneakernetted, and may go 3-4 days for a dump, please help! I wan't to contribute, but I would lose about 5 GHZ! Otherwise they will sit idle!

It sounds like Howard is making it so sneakernetting won't be a problem.

I read the changes and think you guys covered any issues I may have so I'll leave it at that.

 

[FoBoT]

the way howard posted , it is a little confusing

i am going to wait for his next post for a clarification, probably be tomorrow

 

[FoBoT]

the main topic of current discussion in that thread now is whether the switch to this new algorithm/system will include a reset of the stats to zero or not

a reset could be good/bad

if you/team is higher daily producer than the overall position, then it would be good

if you/team is a lower daily producer than the overall position, then it would be bad

 

[bunker]

I made my opinion known 🙂.

I'm all for zeroing out the stats. I think then we could start a recruiting thread here saying "get in while the gettin's good!"

I'm sure a few more people would join knowing they had a good chance of a decent ranking.

 

[Robor]

I made a post over there but I'm new to DF so I dunno how much difference the opinion of "the new guy" makes.

If you ask me the easiest thing to do would be zero the stats and start over. That way there's no confusion about maintaining 2 sets of stats or computing how to calculate new stats vs. old stats. The only bad thing I see about zeroing the stats is it would be bad for guys like FoBoT who've been kicking arse so long on the project. Sure don't want to lose the veterans. 🙁

If we maintained all of our members I think a reset would benefit TeAm Anandtech because we're usually producing more than our team's ranking.

What I want to know is how you feel about that FoBoT? I mean from a personal level?

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: Robor

If we maintained all of our members I think a reset would benefit TeAm Anandtech because we're usually producing more than our team's ranking.

What I want to know is how you feel about that FoBoT? I mean from a personal level?

yes, our team is normally #2 or 3 in production, so a reset would get us to our top 3 goal much faster than if the stats are not reset

as for me, i would drop some places, there are 3-4 big hitters that have come to DF from other projects in the past couple of months, it would again, just speed up the inevitable

as a guy from Arstechnica (LL) likes to say "its all about the dailys" , ie a person/teams current production rate is really the most important factor

overall in DC , i kind of like the idea that a project/stats have a beginning and end, it is like a lot of stuff in life, no matter how good something is, it can get boring and changing stuff up makes it seem "new" again, so i am not opposed to closing the current stats as "phase 1" and starting from scratch

also, many of you may not know this, but when DF started , about 1 year ago, many of howard's statements referred to the project as being something that would evolve over time , so i think he sort of planned for phases from the start. one of the important things that howard wasn't familiar with when this started was the importance placed on stats by many in the hardcore DC community. he still doesn't quite "get it" , but he does realize it is important to many participants and this is why he brought this up for community discussion PRIOR to making changes (unlike some other projects

)

so, to answer the question "how you feel about that FoBoT?" , i am good with what will be best for the project overall moving forward, which after taking everything into account, i think means resetting the stats and starting this new algorith/system as a phase II of the project

ps if this change happens before the end of the ATWE race, it could be difficult to switch, but i will leave that problem to Sid 😛

 

[Insidious]

but i will leave that problem to Sid

What a guy! 😛

I have given that some thought, and I think I would probably let the end of DF phase I be the finishing point for the ATWE.
We've had a great race (almost 2 months now) and I think the difficulties/confusion would detract from the event overall if
I tried to brute-force it into continuation.

If you consider, I am racing "exibition", the top 3 spots are pretty well sealed deals and the remaining prize awards are random,
so no one would be getting a raw deal.

As long as the project is moving in a good direction (with respect to the science of it) I am fine with the changes that Howard
decides are appropriate. (assuming the client works, the servers work, and we don't loose our sneakernetters)

-Sid

(I guess I would probably vote for a stat reset)

 

[m0ti]

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: Robor

If we maintained all of our members I think a reset would benefit TeAm Anandtech because we're usually producing more than our team's ranking.

What I want to know is how you feel about that FoBoT? I mean from a personal level?

yes, our team is normally #2 or 3 in production, so a reset would get us to our top 3 goal much faster than if the stats are not reset

as for me, i would drop some places, there are 3-4 big hitters that have come to DF from other projects in the past couple of months, it would again, just speed up the inevitable

as a guy from Arstechnica (LL) likes to say "its all about the dailys" , ie a person/teams current production rate is really the most important factor

overall in DC , i kind of like the idea that a project/stats have a beginning and end, it is like a lot of stuff in life, no matter how good something is, it can get boring and changing stuff up makes it seem "new" again, so i am not opposed to closing the current stats as "phase 1" and starting from scratch

also, many of you may not know this, but when DF started , about 1 year ago, many of howard's statements referred to the project as being something that would evolve over time , so i think he sort of planned for phases from the start. one of the important things that howard wasn't familiar with when this started was the importance placed on stats by many in the hardcore DC community. he still doesn't quite "get it" , but he does realize it is important to many participants and this is why he brought this up for community discussion PRIOR to making changes (unlike some other projects

)

so, to answer the question "how you feel about that FoBoT?" , i am good with what will be best for the project overall moving forward, which after taking everything into account, i think means resetting the stats and starting this new algorith/system as a phase II of the project

Making some good points, there FoBoT. I hadn't considered that way, but I think you're right. It'll only give more meaning to the project and a feeling that we're making progress (i.e. producing and verifying new (and hopefully better) science).

ps if this change happens before the end of the ATWE race, it could be difficult to switch, but i will leave that problem to Sid 😛

ROFL! Actually, it'll be good for me. Give me a chance to dole out a lot of 🙂's and 😀's and other such goodies as people rocket up the charts. 😉

For some reason, that last sentence reminds me of Terrahawk...

 

[Terrahawk]

😀

 

[FoBoT]

good answer Sid, i think that makes sense

 

[FoBoT]

i believe howard is close to deciding to zero the stats and commence a "Phase II" with the launch of the new algorithm (probably be 1-2 months from now, after 1-2 more "traditional" proteins)

Ok, well sounds almost unanimous that zeroing the stats is a good idea, but also keeping a page with final Phase I stats available for viewing (just top 10, or all the final team pages too??).

Keep in mind this won't be happening for a while still though. I'd expect it to be ready for beta testing in a couple weeks at the earliest.

most people that posted in that thread on the DF forum are either for phase II or at least not against it. only a handful have said , no don't start the stats over

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
i believe howard is close to deciding to zero the stats and commence a "Phase II" with the launch of the new algorithm (probably be 1-2 months from now, after 1-2 more "traditional" proteins)

most people that posted in that thread on the DF forum are either for phase II or at least not against it. only a handful have said , no don't start the stats over

I think that's probably the best and easiest thing to do. There may be a handful of people who are against it but that's going to happen no matter what is decided. You know the old saying about not being able to make everyone happy. It will be interesting to see where the TeAm is at in a few months.

Thanks for the info FoBoT! 🙂

 

[Insidious]

I think the whole thing is getting handled very well by Howard and the DC community alike.

I am impressed! 😎

Thanks for helping keep us up to date on all this FoBoT!

-Sid