Deus Ex or Elite Force?

[Chuck]

I need to get a game as I havn't got one in such a long time and I think i'm going crazy because of it.

I've played the demos of both of the aforementioned games, but am undecided which one is more deserving of my cash. I thougth Deus Ex was a fun and good game, but it was a bit slow on my GeForce. Although EF was more speedy, the missions got a bit boring after a while. Seemed to have returned to the old 'kill everying and get the keycard' type of gaming.

Comments?

Thanks.

 

[Rankor]

Deus Ex...'nuff said.

Great game.

Try and finish it on Realistic. I spent 90% of my time sneaking around taking out tangos with tranquilizer darts, electrical shocks, pepper spray, and wacks with the tactical baton.

Be sure to grab that D3D patch from Ion Storm. It'll speed things up.

Almost bought EF yesterday, but I was turned-off by the Voyager series.

I instead bought Midtown Madness 2, Rogue Spear: Tactical Ops, and Metal Gear Solid.

 

[toph99]

Deus Ex


i hated sneaking around, stupid tranq darts didn't put them down fast enough. i prefered my trusty assult rifle and gas grenades

 

[DirkBelig]

I'll be getting EF, but the reviews have said that it's rather short, lasting only about 10-12 hours of gameplay. HL: OpFor was about that long and I was disappointed compared to HL.

I've been playing DE for almost TWO MONTHS (hey, got a life ya know) and according to the savegame stats, it's been about 25 hours of play. I'm getting down to the ending(s) and figure I've got another 2-3 hours to go. DEFINITELY got my $30 worth.

One thing, it's HARD! I'm playing on the easiest setting with my augs permanently powered on and it's still difficult. I can't imagine how tough it'd be if I had to deal with all the camera and guns and bots.

It's got it's flaws (stupid AI, looks bad-all at night and grey, damn little color, occasional logic lapses) but has been very solid overall. Prolly will give it an 8/10.

 

[Doomguy]

EF runs much better and is WAY better looking and more fun. I played both demos and was undecided at the store of which one to get. I bought EF because it was more fun and it ran much quicker. The guys that choose deus ex never played EF.

 

[DirkBelig]

Doomguy: I just smacked down Atomicman on the "UT r00lz" thread and no it's your turn.

Is your ONLY criteria SPEED? Jeez, Deus Ex is a pseudo-RPG, story driven shooter with three possible endings. While Elite Force may be a blast, I doubt it's gonna be as involved.

The next game I play after DE will most likely be EF. It's possible to enjoy BOTH games. It doesn't have to be, "Neener neener, EF r0x0rs. Joo never played it so you don't no wh4t l33t is, ll4m4!!" That's just lame.

 

[Chuck]

Thanks for the info guys. I'll have to think about it some more.

DirkBelig,

Although I don't agree that speed should be the only concideration it is fairley important. I had to run Deus Ex in 640x480x16, and even then it was chug'ing around.

 

[Rankor]

Doomguy:

"...The guys that choose deus ex never played EF..."



On the contrary, I have played the demo of (EF), and wasn't impressed w/it plot-wise/game universe-wise. FPS were on par w/Q3A. I just didn't like the reference to the Voyager series, that's all.

Stating an opinion and/or viewpoint's well and good. Please don't make any sweeping generalizations about people on the forum.

 

[snow patrol]

Rankor - what's that latest Rogue Spear Tactical Ops game like? I must admit, Rogue Spear is probably my favourite PC game (I don't really play that many to be honest), and I'm interested to know what the latest one is like. Unfortunately, it's not available in the UK at the moment

Thanks, sp

 

[damocles]

Ok i have played both EF and Deus Ex right through.

Elite force has better graphics and the engine is much smoother. Both games have dodgy AI.In Deus Ex the basic weapons are a bit gutless, but the augmentations and skills add a cool diminsion to the game. The EF weapons look wayyy cooler but still dont do it for me.

However after playing Deus Ex, i felt like i had no freedom in how i did things in EF. Both games are scripted but Deus Ex is more interactive. You have multiple ways of doing things which have effects later in the game.

Also the 'chatty' mobs in EF were really annoying-you feeling more like you are in a Boy scout troop.

Both games are good, neither is pefect. You probably wouldnt regret buying either. EF will have that special appeal if you are a Trekkie, Deus Ex would however be my choice.

 

[Killer Ape]

Apples and Oranges again. DX is an RPG/FPS hybrid. EF is pretty much a straight Shooter with a little more in the plot department, maybe, than most.

If you liked Half-Life, get EF - AND PLEASE DON"T INSINUATE THAT I THINK H-L AND EF ARE EQUAL, I simply think EF has a bit of that H-L feel to it and the simpler game mechanics of a Quake based game.

If you liked System Shock 2 (which is a better game than DX, in my opinion) or Thief, get DX.

If you haven't played SS2 RUN to your nearest software shop and plunk down $14.99 for it.

 

[ZömBie]

Lots of good opinions here, but IMHO, DeusEX is the superior game in every way...

 

[Rankor]

SP,

For the price, and if one's a RSi and RSp fan, it may be worth the money.

Graphically, it's similar to RSp. Only nine incongruent missions spanning the globe. The probably most interesting aspect of the game is that it's a stand-alone (similar to Cataclysm) at an RSp expansion price ($29 US, here). I think its worth the time and money to get it to hold one over 'til the next iteration comes around.

Worth mentioning are the different game modes from the nine new levels to the OCS (Officer Candidate School).

 

[snow patrol]

Cool, what about the multi player aspect? Are there stand-alone Multi-player levels?

 

[Rankor]

Though I don't play MP on the RSi and RSp series, I think MP for the RSp: TO is limited to the nine levels.

 

[Doomguy]

LOL superior in everyway. DX looks like crap and runs like crap compared to EF. EF is the most graphicly impressive game out and is incredibly fun. Also EF will have more and better mod's due to the use of the quake 3 engine and the ease of making mods.

 

[Killer Ape]

DX IS a huge time investment to complete. And it does run like crap on non-3DFx vidcards.
Here's my equation: C533A@825 + 128MB RAM + GF2 64MB@220/400 = ~25 FPS @ 1024x768/16Bit(!)/High Details, and that's after the D3D patch which did SQUAT for me. That's pretty inexcusable performance.

Performance issues aside it's still a good, but not great game. Just don't be fooled that there's really that much freedom involved. It's still basically a linear RPG game with some side quests and...

***SPOILER ALERT***




The 3 endings can all be accomplished no matter what "path" you take. They're all strictly dependent on what you do in the last level.




***END SPOILER ALERT***

If you accidentally read that, don't get pissed. You'll figure that out by the time you get to the end anyway. I just think the ways in which the the game has been promoted and often reviewed are deceptive about how open the gameworld and outcomes really are. You basically can do things three ways, via Stealth, Brute Force, or Information Gathering, or of course a limited combination of those three. This does "open-up" the game world, but it also leads to a lot of plot and design contrivances in order to allow you to play the game "your" way. Most of these things really took me out of the game. Everytime you had to interact with a NPC I felt like I got ripped out of the character because the view shifts to 3rd person and I had to listen to JC's annoying monotone. And things like finding a password laying around for everyone to read, for a computer you just hacked 5 minutes ago, is kind of inane game design, in my opinion. All this stuff was done SO much better in System Shock 2.

Anyway, if you want more straight-up action and not have to interact with NPCs except to kill them, then EF is more appropriate.

 

[DirkBelig]

I jsut finished all three endings tonite and I agree with most of the comments about Deus Ex, both pro and con. It ran OK on my P3-927/384MB/GF2 rig @ 1024x32. Note that I said OK. Considering that I get 97 fps at 1024 in Q3 with full-on eye candy, that's pretty weak. And the Unreal engine has never looked uglier with lots of dithered greys and blues. Blah.

It took me about 27 hours spaced over almost TWO MONTHS:Q to get it done. (Haven't taken as long on a game since Half-Life!)

I started to play SS2, but after getting over the fear factor, I got seriously pissed off at the illogic of the game (why the hell is EVERY gun broken when they were JUST SHOOTING ME WITH IT) and I got lost early and frustrated and just gave up. Every says it's great, but it became a chore to play and that's not fun.

EF should be a nice change of pace and I liked SoF from Raven earlier this year.

 

[JellyBaby]

Deus Ex if you take computer gaming a bit more seriously than the Deer Hunter crowd.

Elite Force if you want to show off your VooDoo5 or GeForce2.

 

[damocles]

I tend to agree with Jelly. Deus Ex has mnay faults, as did Thief before it. However both of these games have added something to the genre (or added a new genre perhaps).

EF is a well crafted shooter. I was disappointed by the fact it was so short-easily completed in a day at the hardest level(not a very intense day at that).

 

[DirkBelig]

Started playing EF and after the monotonous grey/blue/black color scheme of DE, it's da BOMB!!! I'm in the first alien spaceship and it's stunning. Between the layered textures and curved structures, the Q3 engine is really kicking it hard.

 

[damocles]

It certainly looks better. But dont you feel a bit limited in how you do things?

 

[Darius]

Deus Ex is really worth your $20, it has great longevity. I just ordered Elite Force and am really looking forward to it, but am worried about beating in two days or so. (Others have already). I think that System Shock 2 is also worth its $10 right now.

 

[DirkBelig]

Man! I've been playing EF for less than three hours and a walkthru I looked at (NOT cheating, just wanted to get an overview of my place in the storyline) shows that I'm halfway thru the third of six levels. Yeep! I'll be done is a few more nights. This may be shorter than OpFor was.

(The Etherian ship was beautiful. Curves, Baby, CURVES!)

 

[Zucchini]

Ok, i just played elite force for a couple hours The first level wasn't so hot, so if that was the demo level.. bleh! This is one well crafted game.. and it shows. Like halflife the game never stops, it just loads during levels for seamless gameplay. Of course the faster your system the shorter the in level loading. It supports texture compression 1024x768 32bit highest compresesed texture with highest geometric detail.. wow The graphics and level design are great, the ai for your team is pretty good, no daikitana stunts. The animation is also good, when the other characters talk and move around, its generally convincing with facial expressions and good voice acting. The models are also pretty well done, they do look like the crew, and some are very good. I think the exception is tuvok, kind of looks funny.

The story line/game flow is pretty good too.. game goes from levels to video to character interaction on the ship pretty seamlessly and yes its got action hehe