Destruction of the USD Continues...

GTaudiophile

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So I guess when the USD becomes as valuable as the Peso, politicians will finally care.

Deficits do matter people. Please tell your Congressman/woman that we do care, and it's time to bring this spending under control.


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Sept. 8 (Bloomberg) -- The dollar declined to the lowest level this year against the euro as the prospects for economic recovery spurred a rally in global stocks, helping to push gold above $1,000 an ounce and oil to more than $70 a barrel.

The greenback also fell the most against the currencies of six major U.S. trading partners since July as the dollar became the cheapest funding currency in the London interbank lending market. The Brazilian real and South African rand rallied more than 25 percent this year as investors sought higher-yielding assets in emerging-market nations.

?You are seeing a reversal of flight to quality as investors start to put money into higher-yielding assets,? said Warren Naphtal, who oversees $915 million in currency assets as chief investment officer in Weston, Massachusetts at P/E Investments, an asset-management company. ?The U.S. dollar is a good source for cheap funding.?

The dollar depreciated 1.3 percent to $1.4520 per euro at 12:34 p.m. in New York, from $1.4332 yesterday, after earlier reaching $1.4522, the weakest level since Dec. 18. The U.S. currency dropped 1 percent to 92.17 yen, from 93.08, and slid 1.5 percent to 1.0444 Swiss francs. The euro advanced 0.3 percent to 133.81 yen, from 133.39.

The Dollar Index, which IntercontinentalExchange Inc. uses to track the greenback against currencies including the euro, yen and franc, fell as much as 1.2 percent to 77.047 today, the lowest level since Sept. 29. It was the biggest intraday drop since July 31.

The three-month London interbank offered rate for dollars fell to 0.30 percent today, from 0.31 percent yesterday, according to the British Bankers? Association. The borrowing cost dropped below that of the Swiss franc, which was at 0.31 percent, for the first time since November, making the dollar the cheapest currency for investors to fund purchases of higher- yielding assets. The corresponding rate for funds in yen was 0.37 percent, increasing its advantage to the widest level since January 1993.

?The dollar is the predominant funding currency,? said Todd Elmer, currency strategist at Citigroup Inc. in New York. Elmer advises his clients buy the Canadian dollar versus the yen and the Norwegian krone against the franc to cash in on the improvement in ?risk sentiment.?

Traders are betting on longer-term declines in the dollar after the U.S. budget gap reached $1 trillion. Forward contracts show the greenback weakening to $1.49 per euro in the next 10 years, compared with an average of $1.17 since the single European currency was introduced in 1999.

The Commerce Department will report the trade balance for July on Sept. 10. The median forecast of 62 economists in a Bloomberg News survey is for a deficit of $27.3 billion. While that would be improved from $64.9 billion a year earlier, the trade balance has been little changed since February.

Trade feeds into the broader current-account balance, which includes transfer payments and investment income and stood at a negative $101.5 billion in March. While the gap has narrowed from a record $214.8 billion in September 2006, it?s still above the average of $63.2 billion over the past 30 years and means the U.S. needs to attract about $1 billion a day in new foreign capital for the dollar to maintain its value.

The real gained 1 percent to 1.8246 versus the dollar today and the rand climbed 0.7 percent to 7.5250 on bets investors will increase trades in which they sell the currencies of nations with low borrowing costs and buy assets in developing nations where returns are higher. The U.S. target lending rate of zero to 0.25 percent compares with 8.75 percent in Brazil and 7 percent in South Africa.

The Standard & Poor?s 500 Index rose 0.6 percent, and Europe?s Dow Jones Stoxx 600 Index added 0.6 percent, heading for its fourth day of gains.

The dollar fell against all of the 26 major developing- market currencies today, dropping 1.3 percent to 1,995 Colombian pesos and decreasing 1.4 percent to 187.04 Hungarian forints.

The greenback?s role in international trade should be reduced by establishing a new currency to protect emerging markets from the ?confidence game? of financial speculation, the Geneva-based United Nations Conference on Trade and Development said yesterday in a report.

China, India, Brazil and Russia this year called for a replacement to the dollar as the main reserve currency after the financial crisis sparked by the collapse of the U.S. mortgage market led to the worst global recession since World War II.


The pound rose 1 percent to $1.6512 after the Office for National Statistics in London said factory output rose 0.9 percent in July, compared with a 0.3 percent median forecast of 27 economists surveyed by Bloomberg News. Sterling depreciated 0.1 percent to 87.77 pence per euro.

The euro?s 3.1 percent gain against the pound in the past month may erode as Europe?s yield advantage against the U.K. narrows, wrote Greg Gibbs, a currency strategist at Royal Bank of Scotland Group Plc in Sydney, in a research report today.

The two-year German note yield was 0.14 percentage point above the rate of the comparable-maturity U.K. security today, narrowing from a seven-month high of 0.48 percentage point on Aug. 21.

Source


 

blackangst1

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Well, in general, deficits have been reduced under Democratic presidents so hopefully this one can do it in 3 years.
 

b0mbrman

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
So I guess when the USD becomes as valuable as the Peso, politicians will finally care.

Deficits do matter people. Please tell your Congressman/woman that we do care, and it's time to bring this spending under control.


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Sept. 8 (Bloomberg) -- The dollar declined to the lowest level this year against the euro as the prospects for economic recovery spurred a rally in global stocks, helping to push gold above $1,000 an ounce and oil to more than $70 a barrel.

The greenback also fell the most against the currencies of six major U.S. trading partners since July as the dollar became the cheapest funding currency in the London interbank lending market. The Brazilian real and South African rand rallied more than 25 percent this year as investors sought higher-yielding assets in emerging-market nations.

?You are seeing a reversal of flight to quality as investors start to put money into higher-yielding assets,? said Warren Naphtal, who oversees $915 million in currency assets as chief investment officer in Weston, Massachusetts at P/E Investments, an asset-management company. ?The U.S. dollar is a good source for cheap funding.?

The dollar depreciated 1.3 percent to $1.4520 per euro at 12:34 p.m. in New York, from $1.4332 yesterday, after earlier reaching $1.4522, the weakest level since Dec. 18. The U.S. currency dropped 1 percent to 92.17 yen, from 93.08, and slid 1.5 percent to 1.0444 Swiss francs. The euro advanced 0.3 percent to 133.81 yen, from 133.39.

The Dollar Index, which IntercontinentalExchange Inc. uses to track the greenback against currencies including the euro, yen and franc, fell as much as 1.2 percent to 77.047 today, the lowest level since Sept. 29. It was the biggest intraday drop since July 31.

The three-month London interbank offered rate for dollars fell to 0.30 percent today, from 0.31 percent yesterday, according to the British Bankers? Association. The borrowing cost dropped below that of the Swiss franc, which was at 0.31 percent, for the first time since November, making the dollar the cheapest currency for investors to fund purchases of higher- yielding assets. The corresponding rate for funds in yen was 0.37 percent, increasing its advantage to the widest level since January 1993.

?The dollar is the predominant funding currency,? said Todd Elmer, currency strategist at Citigroup Inc. in New York. Elmer advises his clients buy the Canadian dollar versus the yen and the Norwegian krone against the franc to cash in on the improvement in ?risk sentiment.?

Traders are betting on longer-term declines in the dollar after the U.S. budget gap reached $1 trillion. Forward contracts show the greenback weakening to $1.49 per euro in the next 10 years, compared with an average of $1.17 since the single European currency was introduced in 1999.

The Commerce Department will report the trade balance for July on Sept. 10. The median forecast of 62 economists in a Bloomberg News survey is for a deficit of $27.3 billion. While that would be improved from $64.9 billion a year earlier, the trade balance has been little changed since February.

Trade feeds into the broader current-account balance, which includes transfer payments and investment income and stood at a negative $101.5 billion in March. While the gap has narrowed from a record $214.8 billion in September 2006, it?s still above the average of $63.2 billion over the past 30 years and means the U.S. needs to attract about $1 billion a day in new foreign capital for the dollar to maintain its value.

The real gained 1 percent to 1.8246 versus the dollar today and the rand climbed 0.7 percent to 7.5250 on bets investors will increase trades in which they sell the currencies of nations with low borrowing costs and buy assets in developing nations where returns are higher. The U.S. target lending rate of zero to 0.25 percent compares with 8.75 percent in Brazil and 7 percent in South Africa.

The Standard & Poor?s 500 Index rose 0.6 percent, and Europe?s Dow Jones Stoxx 600 Index added 0.6 percent, heading for its fourth day of gains.

The dollar fell against all of the 26 major developing- market currencies today, dropping 1.3 percent to 1,995 Colombian pesos and decreasing 1.4 percent to 187.04 Hungarian forints.

The greenback?s role in international trade should be reduced by establishing a new currency to protect emerging markets from the ?confidence game? of financial speculation, the Geneva-based United Nations Conference on Trade and Development said yesterday in a report.

China, India, Brazil and Russia this year called for a replacement to the dollar as the main reserve currency after the financial crisis sparked by the collapse of the U.S. mortgage market led to the worst global recession since World War II.


The pound rose 1 percent to $1.6512 after the Office for National Statistics in London said factory output rose 0.9 percent in July, compared with a 0.3 percent median forecast of 27 economists surveyed by Bloomberg News. Sterling depreciated 0.1 percent to 87.77 pence per euro.

The euro?s 3.1 percent gain against the pound in the past month may erode as Europe?s yield advantage against the U.K. narrows, wrote Greg Gibbs, a currency strategist at Royal Bank of Scotland Group Plc in Sydney, in a research report today.

The two-year German note yield was 0.14 percentage point above the rate of the comparable-maturity U.K. security today, narrowing from a seven-month high of 0.48 percentage point on Aug. 21.

Source

Should we do anything to prevent another collapse of the US mortgage market?
 

brandonbull

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Well, in general, deficits have been reduced under Democratic presidents so hopefully this one can do it in 3 years.

Part of Obama's change.

 

dullard

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1) Last year before the big spending: $1.49561 per Euro. (Month of August 2008 average before the bank problems and bailouts that started in September 2009)

2) Now after the big spending: $1.4520 per Euro.

My conclusion: very little change from a year ago (and that small change was actually for a stronger dollar). Your conclusion: massive change for a weaker dollar.

 

Modelworks

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Quit lying. Everyone knows there is no problem with money. We got plenty of ink and paper !
 

JSt0rm

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I like cheneys response when asked about their spending... "stuff happens" lol what a douche.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: dullard
1) Last year before the big spending: $1.49561 per Euro. (Month of August 2008 average before the bank problems and bailouts that started in September 2009)

2) Now after the big spending: $1.4520 per Euro.

My conclusion: very little change from a year ago (and that small change was actually for a stronger dollar). Your conclusion: massive change for a weaker dollar.

Thread over.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: Pneumothorax
Don't worry, be happy... We're going to "inflate our way out of our debts!"

You can Grow your way out of Debt, but that requires a Healthy and Growing Economy.
 

First

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"The dollar will lose 50% of its value in 2 years". - Peter Schiff, September 2007

lmao.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: First
"The dollar will lose 50% of its value in 2 years". - Peter Schiff, September 2007

lmao.

If that is what he actually said, it may be funny. But you're misquoting him, and I'm sure it's intentional. What he actually said...

The dollar is going to come under some intense selling pressure, I think it could lose another 10% of its value before the end of the year. Probably half its value before its all over, or in the next couple of years.

Of course, I don't think he meant the last part, "or in the next couple of years," but that's what happens during a live TV interview compared to a prepared statement. I can't even recall him predicting this would be all over within 2 years, can you?
 

First

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A post from months ago:

Schiff has gotten (and will get) several major predictions wrong. He has specifically said gold will be at $2000 in 2009 (currently half that) and $5000 in 2012....He claimed in September 2007 that the dollar would be half the value it was at that time two years ago this month ($1.39 against the Euro), which he said here. Currently, the dollar is trading at $1.43 against the Euro, so he got that dead wrong. He claimed bond interest rates would skyrocket back up to the levels we saw in the early 1980's (14%-ish depending on the length of the notes), but instead bond rates currently are at low single digit rates, including 30 year yields. Dead wrong again.

It's amazing what happens when you're held accountable for your words.

Edit: I missed this gem from the YouTube link: "The inflation that the Fed is creating is going to send the dollar cratering". Yes, what a crater the dollar has suffered since September 07 Peter, what a crater.
 

Genx87

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Mr Cheng said China had learned from the West that it is a mistake for central banks to target retail price inflation and take their eye off assets.

"This is where Greenspan went wrong from 2000 to 2004," he said. "He thought everything was alright because inflation was low, but assets absorbed the liquidity."

This is actually pretty interesting as I have heard this talked about before. I have heard if they included asset appreciation in inflation figures it would had headed off the housing crisis as it would cost more to buy a house. But it could also be applied to the stock market bubbles as well.
 

First

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Mr Cheng said China had learned from the West that it is a mistake for central banks to target retail price inflation and take their eye off assets.

"This is where Greenspan went wrong from 2000 to 2004," he said. "He thought everything was alright because inflation was low, but assets absorbed the liquidity."

This is actually pretty interesting as I have heard this talked about before. I have heard if they included asset appreciation in inflation figures it would had headed off the housing crisis as it would cost more to buy a house. But it could also be applied to the stock market bubbles as well.

Asset inflation is too broad to measure that way, that's why the CPI has narrowed it and why the Fed doesn't claim they can measure asset inflation with a single measure. Well, what they say is that you have to add in prices (like energy and food) on top of CPI to get a better idea of where prices are for consumers. A lot of these asset prices aren't under the U.S.'s control whatsoever so it would be irresponsible to include them in domestic inflation forecasts.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
So I guess when the USD becomes as valuable as the Peso, politicians will finally care.

Deficits do matter people. Please tell your Congressman/woman that we do care, and it's time to bring this spending under control.

No, let's get to the real cause - get back to me after you read Kevin Phiollips' "Bad Money".

The excesses of Wall Street have little more to do with Washington than the fact that our democracy has failed to prevent special interests from gaining excessive power, and allowing them to get what they want in deregulation, allowing them to yet further prosper and gain more power. Deficit spending isn't going anywhere with 'too big to fail' allowed.
 

BurnItDwn

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Some devaluation of the dollar might actually help the US economy. After all, it would make American Made goods much more attractive, thus, might help with the unemployment rates we are seeing.
 

piasabird

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What has O'Bammah done to fixe the housing crisis? Answer is nothing. This is a recipe for an even larger problem in the future. If you dont lear from your mistakes, you are doomed to repeat them.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: First
A post from months ago:

Schiff has gotten (and will get) several major predictions wrong. He has specifically said gold will be at $2000 in 2009 (currently half that) and $5000 in 2012....He claimed in September 2007 that the dollar would be half the value it was at that time two years ago this month ($1.39 against the Euro), which he said here. Currently, the dollar is trading at $1.43 against the Euro, so he got that dead wrong. He claimed bond interest rates would skyrocket back up to the levels we saw in the early 1980's (14%-ish depending on the length of the notes), but instead bond rates currently are at low single digit rates, including 30 year yields. Dead wrong again.

It's amazing what happens when you're held accountable for your words.

Edit: I missed this gem from the YouTube link: "The inflation that the Fed is creating is going to send the dollar cratering". Yes, what a crater the dollar has suffered since September 07 Peter, what a crater.

Again, you are misquoting him.

Why should anyone believe a thing you say when you just continuously lie about what we actually says?

His actual answer to the question, "By the way, when do you think gold will be $5000 an ounce? How long from now?"

Well, I don't know exactly when, I don't have a crystal ball to know the exact date.

"Well ballpark figures"

I don't know, probably before the end of maybe the end of the next presidential term. So 5 years from now, it could be up there. I think it could be $2000 an ounce sometime next year.

You're not only misquoting him, you're taking him out of context. You're making it out as if he is making concrete predictions with exact dates. He's not. And I think it's quite obvious what you're doing when you change the words that come out of his mouth. It's easier for you to argue when you make up the arguments as you go. And by the way, you were the first person in this thread to even mention Schiff, so it's apparent that you have hard on for the guy. Whether it's hate, or hate that stems from fear, it's something.
 

classy

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Originally posted by: piasabird
What has O'Bammah done to fixe the housing crisis? Answer is nothing. This is a recipe for an even larger problem in the future. If you dont lear from your mistakes, you are doomed to repeat them.


$8000 tax credit has been succesful

"The National Association of REALTORS(R) estimates close to two million
first-time buyers will have taken advantage of the $8,000 tax credit this
year, stimulating an additional 350,000 home sales."

$8000 tax credit

Making home affordable is working , but just moving slow

CNN on Home Affordable

He has even tried to address house price decline, Treasury Announces Home Price Decline Protection Incentives.

House price decline help

He has done more to help home owners in 8 months than the GOP did in the last 8 years.

Also throw in the $1500 tax credit for home improvements. You can't clean up 8 years of trash in 8 months.

 

First

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: First
A post from months ago:

Schiff has gotten (and will get) several major predictions wrong. He has specifically said gold will be at $2000 in 2009 (currently half that) and $5000 in 2012....He claimed in September 2007 that the dollar would be half the value it was at that time two years ago this month ($1.39 against the Euro), which he said here. Currently, the dollar is trading at $1.43 against the Euro, so he got that dead wrong. He claimed bond interest rates would skyrocket back up to the levels we saw in the early 1980's (14%-ish depending on the length of the notes), but instead bond rates currently are at low single digit rates, including 30 year yields. Dead wrong again.

It's amazing what happens when you're held accountable for your words.

Edit: I missed this gem from the YouTube link: "The inflation that the Fed is creating is going to send the dollar cratering". Yes, what a crater the dollar has suffered since September 07 Peter, what a crater.

Again, you are misquoting him.

Why should anyone believe a thing you say when you just continuously lie about what we actually says?

His actual answer to the question, "By the way, when do you think gold will be $5000 an ounce? How long from now?"

Well, I don't know exactly when, I don't have a crystal ball to know the exact date.

"Well ballpark figures"

I don't know, probably before the end of maybe the end of the next presidential term. So 5 years from now, it could be up there. I think it could be $2000 an ounce sometime next year.

You're not only misquoting him, you're taking him out of context. You're making it out as if he is making concrete predictions with exact dates. He's not. And I think it's quite obvious what you're doing when you change the words that come out of his mouth. It's easier for you to argue when you make up the arguments as you go.

Schiff said almost 2 years ago that "5 years from now, it could be up there [$5000/ounce]. I think it could be $2000 an ounce sometime next year [2009]". Nothing he said before or after changes the context of those words. He even said himself "Save the tape" when the commentators said they would save his predictions for the record. He was making a prediction and, guess what, he was completely, totally, demonstrably wrong on those predictions. He did not qualify them with a range of figures/years, he gave specific years and dollar/gold/interest rate figures and said to save the tape. Schiff and his cadre like to say he predicted the recession, and by the same exact standard he also completely bungled every other prediction, from his dollar predictions to his gold forecasts to his bond estimates, etc. Again, all documented with video.

You don't like it any of this because you're an apologist for the guy, that's why you're resoundingly ignored as the local nut, except on those rare occasions when people call you out for blatantly obvious falsehoods. Which usually ends up, as this discussion probably will, with you obfuscating or wimping out or misinterpreting numbers, facts, words, hell even the Constitution, which is sad for a Libertarian.

And by the way, you were the first person in this thread to even mention Schiff, so it's apparent that you have hard on for the guy. Whether it's hate, or hate that stems from fear, it's something.

Fear of stupid fringe nuts convincing people to vote for Paul, Schiff, or other dangerous misinformed nutbags.

And the OP is a self-described Libertarian and has posted about their economic philosophies along with Ron Paul's several times in the past. Search is your friend.

Btw, "The inflation that the Fed is creating is going to send the dollar cratering" was particularly funny to hear. Schiff is still saying how 2008 was a "One-time" event that likely won't be repeated again....except it has been repeated so far through 8 months of 2009.
 

Vic

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So short the dollar and buy gold if you're so certain.

Oh wait, gold hit $1000 today. ;)