Despicable, fascist, California Republican finally kicked out.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/19/dan-lungren-drug-warrior-reelection_n_2159755.html

Dan Lungren, Drug Warrior, Loses Bid For Reelection

First elected to Congress in 1978 at the age of 32, Lungren rose in stature with the election of Ronald Reagan in 1980, and quickly became a darling of the tough-on-crime crowd and the rising moral majority movement. No new anti-drug law was too tough for the young congressman. In 1984, he was a sponsor of the Comprehensive Crime Control Act, at the time one of the most sweeping pieces of anti-crime legislation in U.S. history. The bill gave prosecutors the power to appeal sentences (previously, only defendants could do that) and eliminated the right to bail for people accused of certain drug crimes, according to Smoke and Mirrors, a book by journalist Dan Baum. Lungren had already worked to make increasingly less serious crimes subject to increasingly longer sentences, and he ended a federal policy of allowing young, first-time drug offenders to clear their records after they had served their sentences and if they committed no future crimes, Baum wrote.

But the most odious part of the Comprehensive Crime Control Act -- and the part that, over the years, Lungren has taken most pride in -- gave the government broad new asset forfeiture powers. Civil asset forfeiture gives the government the ability to seize property connected to certain crimes under civil law, instead of criminal law. Because the law is civil, the government's burden of proof is lower, and police and prosecutors only need to show probable cause that what they've seized is connected to drug activity. The burden then switches to the property owner to show he obtained the property or earned the cash legitimately. The owner never needs to be charged with a crime -- indeed, in most cases they aren't.

The 1984 bill included a provision allowing police departments and prosecutors' offices to keep the proceeds from these forfeitures, creating an enormous incentive for them to "find" connections that may not have existed. The bill also allowed local police to call the DEA with information after finding certain property. The DEA would take a cut of the bounty, and then give the rest back to the local police agency. The policy allowed police departments to get around the laws some states had passed to make forfeiture proceedings fairer. Additionally, the 1984 bill allowed the government to seize a drug suspect's assets before filing charges, leaving suspects with no money to hire legal representation. (Property owners had no right to a court-appointed attorney in civil forfeiture cases.)

Lungren wanted to make it illegal for anyone to accept money from a drug dealer. "Make it illegal for a dry cleaner or a grocery store to take money from a drug dealer, [Lungren] argued, and if they do, seize the business. Put the merchant in jail."

Lungren wanted to ban any "substance which has a stimulant, depresant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system," Baum wrote. "That would include coffee, alcohol, and a long list of legal pharmaceuticals." Not to mention nicotine.



And that's some of the crap this guy did.
Anyone who wants to talk about why California has problems today, just look at the damage this guy did, especially when he was attorney general of California.
 

umbrella39

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Looks like the kind of guy who puts googly eyes on plants and such...

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Darwin333

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But the most odious part of the Comprehensive Crime Control Act -- and the part that, over the years, Lungren has taken most pride in -- gave the government broad new asset forfeiture powers. Civil asset forfeiture gives the government the ability to seize property connected to certain crimes under civil law, instead of criminal law. Because the law is civil, the government's burden of proof is lower, and police and prosecutors only need to show probable cause that what they've seized is connected to drug activity. The burden then switches to the property owner to show he obtained the property or earned the cash legitimately. The owner never needs to be charged with a crime -- indeed, in most cases they aren't.

The 1984 bill included a provision allowing police departments and prosecutors' offices to keep the proceeds from these forfeitures, creating an enormous incentive for them to "find" connections that may not have existed. The bill also allowed local police to call the DEA with information after finding certain property. The DEA would take a cut of the bounty, and then give the rest back to the local police agency. The policy allowed police departments to get around the laws some states had passed to make forfeiture proceedings fairer. Additionally, the 1984 bill allowed the government to seize a drug suspect's assets before filing charges, leaving suspects with no money to hire legal representation. (Property owners had no right to a court-appointed attorney in civil forfeiture cases.)

Until the Feds make this sort of asset seizure, which quite literally gives the police a financial incentive to bust you regardless of what you are actually doing as well as deprives you of due process and a metric fuckton of other shit, the war on drugs will rage on with the same catastrophic results.

In some states you can be stopped for not using a blinker when changing lanes and quite literally be robbed of all your cash at gunpoint or what used to be called highway robbery. Now they call it "cops doing their jobs", they just make up some bullshit crime that you *could* be committing or *could* have committed to make the money and tell you they won't charge you if you sign over the money. If you don't sign it over you still have to spend a ton of resources and be without your lawful property for as long as they can drag it out.

Asset forfeiture should be the #1 enemy of anyone who wants to end the war on drugs. Remove the insanely huge profit motivator from the police and various other agencies and not only will bullshit enforcement be virtually eliminated but they won't scream nearly as loud when legalization is talked about.

Frankly, this is just common freaking sense to me. The police/law enforcement should NEVER have a profit motivation to fuck with you.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Why can't anyone discuss one politician without someone trying to divert the topic onto a different one?

Why is one side despicable and the other not? This isn't diversion, or if it is it's not because of either politician. I'd be glad to see both gone, but if you haven't gotten the measure of techs incredibly prolific posts, they aren't designed to root out scoundrels, but to find scoundrels who are Reps. It's to ignore his parties filth by focusing on anyone else. That's my point, the larger one.
 

Charles Kozierok

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Why is one side despicable and the other not?

Who says they aren't?

This isn't diversion, or if it is it's not because of either politician.

It's about the most clear-cut example of diversion I've seen around here in a while.

Either Lungren deserves the criticisms or he doesn't. Henry Waxman has nothing to do with this either way.

And yes, some people only highlight those on the other side that they don't like. Both sides do that, and both sides also avoid dealing with criticism of their own side. Doesn't make it right.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Who says they aren't?



It's about the most clear-cut example of diversion I've seen around here in a while.

Either Lungren deserves the criticisms or he doesn't. Henry Waxman has nothing to do with this either way.

And yes, some people only highlight those on the other side that they don't like. Both sides do that, and both sides also avoid dealing with criticism of their own side. Doesn't make it right.

Then have it as you like it. I'll still post about larger issues and annoyances and you can stick to his posts.
 

OutHouse

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First elected to Congress in 1978 at the age of 32

so who were the idiots who has been electing him for the past 32 years?? oh that's right the same idiots who keep electing pelosi just on the other end of the rainbow.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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That thread started out with a diversion, so I'm not sure what your point is.

Kind of like this one.
If there is something I truly loathe, it's the thing behind the pasteboard mask. You can google that if needed.

Reps used with Iraq. The dems try it too. It's still an evil thing.
 

buckshot24

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Why can't anyone discuss one politician without someone trying to divert the topic onto a different one?
Because Bill Clinton lied under...... j/k

haha

I really hate it when people resort to this. We can all point to Hitler and be morally right in comparison. Although the thread title is way over the top.



For the story in the OP. I'm sick of the war on drugs, absolutely sick of it. It's time to make all drugs legal and move on. We aren't keeping people off of drugs as it is so lets eliminate crimes that people can't help but break. This dude had a real hard on for stopping the unstoppable and pursuing a Utopian country that can never exist. In doing so making it worse than it needed to be.
 

stormkroe

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How did this guy ever get elected in Cali in the first place? And why isn't he a level boss on Duke Nuke'em yet?