Originally posted by: QuantumPion
I can't really see how you could call Israelis racist. There are white, black, and semetic Jews, all treated equally. If by racist what you really mean is "distrustful of their muslim neighbors whom have tried to invade and annihilate them 5 times in 50 years" then sure.
Originally posted by: QuantumPion
I can't really see how you could call Israelis racist. There are white, black, and semetic Jews, all treated equally. If by racist what you really mean is "distrustful of their muslim neighbors whom have tried to invade and annihilate them 5 times in 50 years" then sure.
Originally posted by: wwswimming
Originally posted by: QuantumPion
I can't really see how you could call Israelis racist. There are white, black, and semetic Jews, all treated equally. If by racist what you really mean is "distrustful of their muslim neighbors whom have tried to invade and annihilate them 5 times in 50 years" then sure.
he didn't. he described the government as racist.
given their 60 years' treatment of the Palestinians, and their own
version of Holocaust Denial, the Israeli government is racist.
http://www.palestineremembered.com/
/\ about the Holocaust they inflicted on the Palestinians in 1948.
as far as "established on the 'pretext' of Jewish suffering", that
might be part of the official story. it also has a lot to do with
oil in the mid-East & the Rapture delusions of American Christians.
Their Christian preachers tell them that in order for Jesus to come
back, Israel must first be re-built.
Originally posted by: Sinsear
Bomb Iran.
Originally posted by: wwswimming
Originally posted by: QuantumPion
I can't really see how you could call Israelis racist. There are white, black, and semetic Jews, all treated equally. If by racist what you really mean is "distrustful of their muslim neighbors whom have tried to invade and annihilate them 5 times in 50 years" then sure.
he didn't. he described the government as racist.
given their 60 years' treatment of the Palestinians, and their own
version of Holocaust Denial, the Israeli government is racist.
http://www.palestineremembered.com/
/\ about the Holocaust they inflicted on the Palestinians in 1948.
as far as "established on the 'pretext' of Jewish suffering", that
might be part of the official story. it also has a lot to do with
oil in the mid-East & the Rapture delusions of American Christians.
Their Christian preachers tell them that in order for Jesus to come
back, Israel must first be re-built.
Originally posted by: Lemon law
GenX asks, "Israel is rebuilt, why havent the American Christians initiated their Rapture?"
From what I understand of the rapture mumbo jumbo, two conditions are not yet met, Israel first has to tear down the Islamic mosque in Jerusalem, and second, Jesus Christ himself has forgotten to make his reappearance yet. Even though GWB&co assembled all the devils armies in the vicinity.
There was another similar end of the world belief at the close of the first 1,000 years, but that one finally trickled out, so now we have the new and improved version. Maybe God's calendar recons dates differently, base six perhaps.
Originally posted by: Lemon law
GenX asks, "Israel is rebuilt, why havent the American Christians initiated their Rapture?"
From what I understand of the rapture mumbo jumbo, two conditions are not yet met, Israel first has to tear down the Islamic mosque in Jerusalem, and second, Jesus Christ himself has forgotten to make his reappearance yet. Even though GWB&co assembled all the devils armies in the vicinity.
There was another similar end of the world belief at the close of the first 1,000 years, but that one finally trickled out, so now we have the new and improved version. Maybe God's calendar recons dates differently, base six perhaps.
Originally posted by: wwswimming
Originally posted by: QuantumPion
I can't really see how you could call Israelis racist. There are white, black, and semetic Jews, all treated equally. If by racist what you really mean is "distrustful of their muslim neighbors whom have tried to invade and annihilate them 5 times in 50 years" then sure.
he didn't. he described the government as racist.
given their 60 years' treatment of the Palestinians, and their own
version of Holocaust Denial, the Israeli government is racist.
http://www.palestineremembered.com/
/\ about the Holocaust they inflicted on the Palestinians in 1948.
as far as "established on the 'pretext' of Jewish suffering", that
might be part of the official story. it also has a lot to do with
oil in the mid-East & the Rapture delusions of American Christians.
Their Christian preachers tell them that in order for Jesus to come
back, Israel must first be re-built.
Originally posted by: Lemon law
GenX asks, "Israel is rebuilt, why havent the American Christians initiated their Rapture?"
From what I understand of the rapture mumbo jumbo, two conditions are not yet met, Israel first has to tear down the Islamic mosque in Jerusalem, and second, Jesus Christ himself has forgotten to make his reappearance yet. Even though GWB&co assembled all the devils armies in the vicinity.
Originally posted by: Lemon law
GenX asks, "Israel is rebuilt, why havent the American Christians initiated their Rapture?"
From what I understand of the rapture mumbo jumbo, two conditions are not yet met, Israel first has to tear down the Islamic mosque in Jerusalem, and second, Jesus Christ himself has forgotten to make his reappearance yet. Even though GWB&co assembled all the devils armies in the vicinity.
Matthew 24:30-36
"At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
Originally posted by: Lemon law
There was another similar end of the world belief at the close of the first 1,000 years, but that one finally trickled out, so now we have the new and improved version. Maybe God's calendar recons dates differently, base six perhaps.
Originally posted by: QuantumPion
I can't really see how you could call Israelis racist. There are white, black, and semetic Jews, all treated equally. If by racist what you really mean is "distrustful of their muslim neighbors whom have tried to invade and annihilate them 5 times in 50 years" then sure.
Originally posted by: QuantumPion
Originally posted by: wwswimming
Originally posted by: QuantumPion
I can't really see how you could call Israelis racist. There are white, black, and semetic Jews, all treated equally. If by racist what you really mean is "distrustful of their muslim neighbors whom have tried to invade and annihilate them 5 times in 50 years" then sure.
he didn't. he described the government as racist.
given their 60 years' treatment of the Palestinians, and their own
version of Holocaust Denial, the Israeli government is racist.
http://www.palestineremembered.com/
/\ about the Holocaust they inflicted on the Palestinians in 1948.
as far as "established on the 'pretext' of Jewish suffering", that
might be part of the official story. it also has a lot to do with
oil in the mid-East & the Rapture delusions of American Christians.
Their Christian preachers tell them that in order for Jesus to come
back, Israel must first be re-built.
But Palestinians aren't a race. They are Jordanians and Egyptians. Race-wise, they are Semitic, the same as most Israelis.
Calling Israel racist for being mean towards Palestinians would be like calling the United States racist against Nazis while we were at war with Germany. It's a meaningless statement meant to give a thinly-veiled excuse for Jew-haters to bash Israel.
Mr Shalom said that 64 years after the Holocaust "we still have to deal with prejudice, with hate, with those that are trying to do everything they can in order to destroy the Jewish state, the State of Israel."
Because the racists who established the state couldn't accept 40%:Originally posted by: Genx87
Then why is 20% of the Israeli population Arab palastinians?
"In the area allocated to the Jewish State there are not more than 520,000 Jews and about 350,000 non-Jews, mostly Arabs. Together with the Jews of Jerusalem, the total population of the Jewish State at the time of its establishment, will be about one million, including almost 40% non-Jews. such a [population] composition does not provide a stable basis for a Jewish State. This [demographic] fact must be viewed in all its clarity and acuteness. With such a [population] composition, there cannot even be absolute certainty that control will remain in the hands of the Jewish majority .... There can be no stable and strong Jewish state so long as it has a Jewish majority of only 60%." - David Ben-Gurion
Palestinians are predominately indigenous to the region of Palestine and what is now Israel and the occupied territories, not Jordanian or Egyptian, and comparing them to Nazis is absurd. Furthermore calling Semitic a race is something that Nazis did, while more correctly it is simply an ethnolinguistic distinction.Originally posted by: QuantumPion
But Palestinians aren't a race. They are Jordanians and Egyptians. Race-wise, they are Semitic, the same as most Israelis.
Calling Israel racist for being mean towards Palestinians would be like calling the United States racist against Nazis while we were at war with Germany. It's a meaningless statement meant to give a thinly-veiled excuse for Jew-haters to bash Israel.
To the Editors of the New York Times:
Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine.
The current visit of Menachem Begin, leader of this party, to the United States is obviously calculated to give the impression of American support for his party in the coming Israeli elections, and to cement political ties with conservative Zionist elements in the United States. Several Americans of national repute have lent their names to welcome his visit. It is inconceivable that those who oppose fascism throughout the world, if correctly informed as to Mr. Begin's political record and perspectives, could add their names and support to the movement he represents.
Before irreparable damage is done by way of financial contributions, public manifestations in Begin's behalf, and the creation in Palestine of the impression that a large segment of America supports Fascist elements in Israel, the American public must be informed as to the record and objectives of Mr. Begin and his movement.
The public avowals of Begin's party are no guide whatever to its actual character. Today they speak of freedom, democracy and anti-imperialism, whereas until recently they openly preached the doctrine of the Fascist state. It is in its actions that the terrorist party betrays its real character; from its past actions we can judge what it may be expected to do in the future.
Attack on Arab Village
A shocking example was their behavior in the Arab village of Deir Yassin. This village, off the main roads and surrounded by Jewish lands, had taken no part in the war, and had even fought off Arab bands who wanted to use the village as their base. On April 9 (THE NEW YORK TIMES), terrorist bands attacked this peaceful village, which was not a military objective in the fighting, killed most of its inhabitants240 men, women, and childrenand kept a few of them alive to parade as captives through the streets of Jerusalem. Most of the Jewish community was horrified at the deed, and the Jewish Agency sent a telegram of apology to King Abdullah of Trans-Jordan. But the terrorists, far from being ashamed of their act, were proud of this massacre, publicized it widely, and invited all the foreign correspondents present in the country to view the heaped corpses and the general havoc at Deir Yassin.
The Deir Yassin incident exemplifies the character and actions of the Freedom Party.
Within the Jewish community they have preached an admixture of ultranationalism, religious mysticism, and racial superiority. Like other Fascist parties they have been used to break strikes, and have themselves pressed for the destruction of free trade unions. In their stead they have proposed corporate unions on the Italian Fascist model.
During the last years of sporadic anti-British violence, the IZL and Stern groups inaugurated a reign of terror in the Palestine Jewish community. Teachers were beaten up for speaking against them, adults were shot for not letting their children join them. By gangster methods, beatings, window-smashing, and wide-spread robberies, the terrorists intimidated the population and exacted a heavy tribute.
The people of the Freedom Party have had no part in the constructive achievements in Palestine. They have reclaimed no land, built no settlements, and only detracted from the Jewish defense activity. Their much-publicized immigration endeavors were minute, and devoted mainly to bringing in Fascist compatriots.
Discrepancies Seen
The discrepancies between the bold claims now being made by Begin and his party, and their record of past performance in Palestine bear the imprint of no ordinary political party. This is the unmistakable stamp of a Fascist party for whom terrorism (against Jews, Arabs, and British alike), and misrepresentation are means, and a "Leader State" is the goal.
In the light of the foregoing considerations, it is imperative that the truth about Mr. Begin and his movement be made known in this country. It is all the more tragic that the top leadership of American Zionism has refused to campaign against Begin's efforts, or even to expose to its own constituents the dangers to Israel from support to Begin.
The undersigned therefore take this means of publicly presenting a few salient facts concerning Begin and his party; and of urging all concerned not to support this latest manifestation of fascism.
ISIDORE ABRAMOWITZ, HANNAH ARENDT, ABRAHAM BRICK, RABBI JESSURUN CARDOZO, ALBERT EINSTEIN, HERMAN EISEN, M.D., HAYIM FINEMAN, M. GALLEN, M.D., H.H. HARRIS, ZELIG S. HARRIS, SIDNEY HOOK, FRED KARUSH, BRURIA KAUFMAN, IRMA L. LINDHEIM, NACHMAN MAISEL, SEYMOUR MELMAN, MYER D. MENDELSON, M.D., HARRY M. OSLINSKY, SAMUEL PITLICK, FRITZ ROHRLICH, LOUIS P. ROCKER, RUTH SAGIS, ITZHAK SANKOWSKY, I.J. SHOENBERG, SAMUEL SHUMAN, M. SINGER, IRMA WOLFE, STEFAN WOLFE.
Originally posted by: magomago
IMO his stupidity largely stems not from opposition to the government of Israel as it comes from statements that deny that the Holocaust. That is what kills a lot of his credibility for me. Of course I could be getting mistranslations as well, which we all know has happened.
A Feeling I'm Being Had
...
Ahmadinejad also called the holocaust a "myth." Fuck him! A myth is
something a society uses to frame their understanding of their world, and
act accordingly. It's not as if the world created a whole new country
because of holocaust guilt and gives it a free pass no matter what it
does. That's Iranian crazy talk. Ahmadinejad can blow me.
Most insulting is the fact that "myth" implies the holocaust didn't
happen. Fuck him for saying that! He also says he won't dispute the
historical claims of European scientists. That is obviously the opposite of
saying the holocaust didn't happen, which I assume is his way of
confusing me. God-damned fucker.
...
Originally posted by: magomago
Originally posted by: QuantumPion
I can't really see how you could call Israelis racist. There are white, black, and semetic Jews, all treated equally. If by racist what you really mean is "distrustful of their muslim neighbors whom have tried to invade and annihilate them 5 times in 50 years" then sure.
It is easy to understand that Jewish is a religion, NOT a race. However, there are enough Jews (and the arguments that have occurred on AT are numerous to show this - go seek it out) that think Judaism is a RACE . This is where your argument falls apart.
So from their perspective, you have "Jews" and Arabs. Thus you can apply the racist argument.
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: magomago
Originally posted by: QuantumPion
I can't really see how you could call Israelis racist. There are white, black, and semetic Jews, all treated equally. If by racist what you really mean is "distrustful of their muslim neighbors whom have tried to invade and annihilate them 5 times in 50 years" then sure.
It is easy to understand that Jewish is a religion, NOT a race. However, there are enough Jews (and the arguments that have occurred on AT are numerous to show this - go seek it out) that think Judaism is a RACE . This is where your argument falls apart.
So from their perspective, you have "Jews" and Arabs. Thus you can apply the racist argument.
What utterly bizzaro world logic. Using your own logic everything can be considered a race. Liberal, Conservative, Catholics, Lutherans, communist, fascist.