DeSantis trying to pass a law allowing him to bring defamation lawsuits against people who criticize him.

[MrSquished]

Settle down, Francis.
I think you're just ranting to rant, but I'm not sure whom at. It was already said a few posts back that that was not the statement that was being made.

We all (here) know that he has no respect for our institutions, and will trample them as much as allowed. Why do you keep putting those words in others mouths? No one else has been claiming that.

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Because some here are convinced DeSantis will respect the institution of democracy, and still are.

 

[fskimospy]

More gerrymandering, perhaps pushed onto blue states by federal mandate, more voter suppression, again mandated at the federal level, bans on mail-in voting, federally mandated voter registration purges, etc. etc. All the same tricks pushed more aggressively at the federal level and rubber stamped by Trump's SCOTUS.

How would you federally mandate gerrymandering, much less gerrymandering in a specific way, or really much of any of that?

 

[MrSquished]

How would you federally mandate gerrymandering, much less gerrymandering in a specific way, or really much of any of that?

Have you never heard in history of fascists getting into power and then decimating the institutions that stand in their way of getting more power?

 

[fskimospy]

Have you never heard in history of fascists getting into power and then decimating the institutions that stand in their way of getting more power?

Then as I keep telling you, the path forward is clear - a preemptive strike. You should be advocating for Biden to seize power immediately.

I don’t understand how you don’t see the incredibly obvious answer. Well, I do. I don’t think you actually believe what you say.

 

[Pohemi]

Because some here are convinced DeSantis will respect the institution of democracy, and still are.

I have not seen this here, maybe I missed it.

 

[fskimospy]

I have not seen this here, maybe I missed it.

He is apparently very angry that I think DeSantis will leave office if he loses an election.

Again, anyone who thinks republicans will not leave office if defeated should be all in on a Biden coup. Since it’s a coup either way, might as well be your guy.

 

[Pohemi]

He is apparently very angry that I think DeSantis will leave office if he loses an election.

Well, if that's what he's screaming about...he can probably scream at me too, I guess.

I think DeSantis would/will do everything in his power bureaucratically to remain in power and make elections favor Republicans greatly, but I also do not see him trying to stay in power if he loses an election.

Donald revved up some idiot followers and let them loose on Congress (mostly unorganized besides the few bad actors helping, such as Roger Stone), hoping they would interrupt the vote cert proceedings. Meanwhile, he sat back, watching it unfold on TV, and throwing his hands in the air saying, "What?!? Who, me?? I didn't tell them to do that."

DeSantis and the way he operates, he would not have that plausible deniability IMHO and would have to make more obvious and clear-cut decisions, statements, "commands", etc. to attempt the same or similar thing. DeSantis doesn't have the command of dogwhistles that Trump does, nor the rabid fanbase.

I don't see it happening, especially at the federal level like Squished mentioned previously (if he gained the WH and refused to leave power.)

I still say MrSquished needs to CTFD. He keeps ranting at people that he 90% agrees with.

 

[dank69]

How would you federally mandate gerrymandering, much less gerrymandering in a specific way, or really much of any of that?

Since states can't get it right which threatens our democracy a federally appointed board will allocate districts for all states. Unconstitutional? You know SCOTUS does not give a single shit about that anymore.

 

[MrSquished]

Then as I keep telling you, the path forward is clear - a preemptive strike. You should be advocating for Biden to seize power immediately.

I don’t understand how you don’t see the incredibly obvious answer. Well, I do. I don’t think you actually believe what you say.

The logic of you must do a preemptive strike just does not compute. That is not the only option. You are making it that way because you trying to create a reality where your argument works.

Do I think the Republicans are capable of fascism and you think I don't believe that? Where the hell have you been the last 5 years

 

[gothuevos]

Not sure if what Andrea Mitchell said was inaccurate or not, but does this guy ever take tough questions from anyone?

DeSantis’s office says he will boycott NBC, MSNBC over Andrea Mitchell question on Black history

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis will boycott media appearances on NBC News and MSNBC shows, according to his press team, until one of the network’s star reporters apologizes for a question she pose…

thehill.com

 

[MrSquished]

Well, if that's what he's screaming about...he can probably scream at me too, I guess.

I think DeSantis would/will do everything in his power bureaucratically to remain in power and make elections favor Republicans greatly, but I also do not see him trying to stay in power if he loses an election.

Donald revved up some idiot followers and let them loose on Congress (mostly unorganized besides the few bad actors helping, such as Roger Stone), hoping they would interrupt the vote cert proceedings. Meanwhile, he sat back, watching it unfold on TV, and throwing his hands in the air saying, "What?!? Who, me?? I didn't tell them to do that."

DeSantis and the way he operates, he would not have that plausible deniability IMHO and would have to make more obvious and clear-cut decisions, statements, "commands", etc. to attempt the same or similar thing. DeSantis doesn't have the command of dogwhistles that Trump does, nor the rabid fanbase.

I don't see it happening, especially at the federal level like Squished mentioned previously (if he gained the WH and refused to leave power.)

I still say MrSquished needs to CTFD. He keeps ranting at people that he 90% agrees with.

You are completely naive if you have actually seen the behavior of the GQP the last few years and don't think this is possible.

This is exactly how fascism happens, oblivious intellectuals that think even though this is happened in countless instances in the last 100 years for some reason it can't happen here.

DeSantis is a far better package to deliver us fascism versus the crazy look of Trump.

Clearly Ron has shown us so far that he respects our institutions so much he would never try to fuck with democracy

 

[fskimospy]

The logic of you must do a preemptive strike just does not compute. That is not the only option. You are making it that way because you trying to create a reality where your argument works.

Do I think the Republicans are capable of fascism and you think I don't believe that? Where the hell have you been the last 5 years

If you think the next time republicans take power they will never give it up then yes, a preemptive strike is the only viable answer unless you never think they will win power again, which is delusional.

 

[MrSquished]

If you think the next time republicans take power they will never give it up then yes, a preemptive strike is the only viable answer unless you never think they will win power again, which is delusional.

I don't believe it's a 100% chance however I do believe there's a very good chance. But no a preemptive strike is not the only way. What is best to do is prepare and try to fight their fascism. But it's really hard to do when people are too naive to even think it's really possible.

So the first step is educating the ignorant. The second step is acknowledging the reality of the situation When you have enough of the ignorant educated to realize there is actually a clear and present danger ,and prepare blue states with contingency plans so they're not taken by surprise. I mean I'm glad you're not in government because you would be completely unprepared and just be like well I didn't really see this potentially happening. Not that I feel that enough Democrats realize the clear and present danger but at least some do.

 

[MrSquished]

Also by the way you'd make an absolutely terrible military general if your only solution to any threat is to attack first. The world would be in a constant state of war, and there are some military industrial capitalists that would like your vision of constant preemptive strikes but it's just not how the world needs to work.

 

[Pohemi]

This is exactly how fascism happens, oblivious intellectuals that think even though this is happened in countless instances in the last 100 years for some reason it can't happen here.

Countless? Like, 2?
Okay, so besides Germany and Italy...where else has this happened in such spectacular fashion in the past century? I still say you are raging at the wrong people. You keep calling everyone 'naive' and blind if they don't agree that Republicans are all planning to institute a dictatorship the next time they win office.

Again...you need to CTFD.

 

[fskimospy]

I don't believe it's a 100% chance however I do believe there's a very good chance. But no a preemptive strike is not the only way. What is best to do is prepare and try to fight their fascism. But it's really hard to do when people are too naive to even think it's really possible.

So the first step is educating the ignorant. The second step is acknowledging the reality of the situation When you have enough of the ignorant educated to realize there is actually a clear and present danger ,and prepare blue states with contingency plans so they're not taken by surprise.

So you didn’t mean it when you said this then?

And I guarantee you if DeSantis became president, he would not just give up power in a fair election either. I think that is pretty plain as day as he has shown a ruthless disregard for basic decency in institutions.

 

[Pens1566]

Not sure if what Andrea Mitchell said was inaccurate or not, but does this guy ever take tough questions from anyone?

DeSantis’s office says he will boycott NBC, MSNBC over Andrea Mitchell question on Black history

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis will boycott media appearances on NBC News and MSNBC shows, according to his press team, until one of the network’s star reporters apologizes for a question she pose…

thehill.com

No, it's part of the reason people think he won't do well on a national stage with more scrutiny. But this is how he'll play it.

 

[fskimospy]

Also by the way you'd make an absolutely terrible military general if your only solution to any threat is to attack first. The world would be in a constant state of war, and there are some military industrial capitalists that would like your vision of constant preemptive strikes but it's just not how the world needs to work.

No, I’m saying if something is ‘guaranteed’ as you said, then a first strike is the answer.

Any good general would tell you that if you are currently in an advantageous position and you know:
1) your enemy will gain that same advantage over you soon and
2) your enemy will certainly attack as soon as they gain that advantage

then yes, a first strike is the logical solution.

 

[HomerJS]

No, it's part of the reason people think he won't do well on a national stage with more scrutiny. But this is how he'll play it.

If I'm a reporter I would ask the former history teacher, "Did Columbus discover America?"

Sit back and listen to his version of history.

 

[MrSquished]

So you didn’t mean it when you said this then?

Right I said I don't think he would give up power in a fair way, I'm not 100% surehe will succeed, but he has a lot more of a chance of succeeding if too many Democrats wish to remain completely ignorant to what's going on around them.

 

[fskimospy]

Right I said I don't think he would give up power in a fair way, I'm not 100% surehe will succeed, but he has a lot more of a chance of succeeding if too many Democrats wish to remain completely ignorant to what's going on around them.

So what does an unfair way look like to you?

 

[MrSquished]

Countless? Like, 2?
Okay, so besides Germany and Italy...where else has this happened in such spectacular fashion in the past century? I still say you are raging at the wrong people. You keep calling everyone 'naive' and blind if they don't agree that Republicans are all planning to institute a dictatorship the next time they win office.

Again...you need to CTFD.

2? I mean just in Europe you forgot about Franco in Spain, and Eastern Europe like Hungary and Romania. Portugal might have even been in there too.

Also it's not just about countries that went full fascist, but that were oblivious to things that were going on, like in Germany, and were so unprepared for the reality on the ground. Just like democrats are right now here. Basically you are like France in the 1930's - oblivious and saying this shit can't happen.

Fascism/totalitarian governments have been a dime a dozen the last 120 years. Plenty is South America, Japan was fascist, other parts of Asia (Turkey), Central America, theocratic fascists in the middle east (our fascists here have some theocratic tendencies too btw), etc..

 

[MrSquished]

So what does an unfair way look like to you?

Were you around in 2020 by any chance? The only reason Trump failed is because he was too erratic and disorganized. I mean if you can't learn from the history in the last couple of years, this is an issue.

 

[fskimospy]

Were you around in 2020 by any chance? The only reason Trump failed is because he was too erratic and disorganized. I mean if you can't learn from the history in the last couple of years, this is an issue.

That’s not at all the only reason he failed but if your thought is that the GOP will attempt a coup every time they gain power then we are back to a preemptive strike because they will eventually succeed.

The issue here is you aren’t seeing the entirely obvious implications.

 

[Pohemi]

Just like democrats are right now here. Basically you are like France in the 1930's - oblivious and saying this shit can't happen.

Right I said I don't think he would give up power in a fair way, I'm not 100% surehe will succeed, but he has a lot more of a chance of succeeding if too many Democrats wish to remain completely ignorant to what's going on around them.

Some might be oblivious, yes. But you are generalizing that to ALL Democrats by the sound of it, and playing the chicken little whose the only one who sees the truth that the sky is falling.

You admit that you're not 100% sure he'd succeed in an attempt to hang onto power when elected out, and I'm saying that the rest of us (here) aren't denying it as a possibility, just that it is highly unlikely. You won't recognize that we aren't completely in disagreement there, we simply aren't in complete agreement on the likeliness.

But you just keep screaming that everyone else in naïve, nobody is paying attention because everyone is oblivious, etc. etc. Instead of screaming at people that they're oblivious and naïve, maybe focus that energy into informing instead of lambasting. Just an idea.