Deputy Prime Minister of Iraq terms British mosques even more 'extremist' than those in his home country!

[Braznor]

Iraq deputy prime minister's 'Blackburn mosque jibe'
By Tom Moseley


FLASHBACK: Dr Barham Salih, third left, visited Blackburn as a guest of Jack Straw MP in 2005
FLASHBACK: Dr Barham Salih, third left, visited Blackburn as a guest of Jack Straw MP in 2005

THE Deputy Prime Minister of Iraq has claimed mosques in Blackburn are more extreme than in his home country, according to an MP.

The shock comments were allegedly made by Dr Barham Salih, who visited the town as a guest of Jack Straw in 2005.

He is reported to have told a Conservative MP: "I am not surprised that you British are facing so many problems with extremists after what I saw in those mosques in Blackburn.

"What I saw...would not be allowed here in Iraq - it would be illegal."

The comments have angered mosque leaders in the town, who have branded them "a load of rubbish".

The Lancashire Telegraph has sent a fax to Dr Salih via the Iraqi Embassy in London asking him to explain his views.
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Shadow culture minister Tobias Ellwood said Dr Salih was speaking to him at a dinner party in Baghdad in November.

Mr Ellwood made the claims during a Westminster debate about terrorism.

Speaking after the debate, Mr Ellwood said: "I know Jack Straw well, but my eyebrows raise when you have a very senior Iraqi leader make comments like that.

"I do not believe these comments can be dismissed out of hand.

"I was absolutely shocked.

"He went inside the mosques, and said literature he saw would be illegal.

"He was quite clear.

"The comments are only directed at a very small proportion of mosques in the UK - the vast majority of Muslims wouldn't want to be labelled."

Salim Mulla, of the Lancashire Council of Mosques, reacted furiously to the comments.

He said Dr Salih spoke positively about what he had seen when they spoke during his visit.

Mr Mulla said: "We are going out of our way to bring the community together.

"Nobody is working harder than us at breaking down barriers.

"For Dr Salih to make these sort of comments is not very helpful at all.

"I don't know where he's coming from.

"He was very co-operative when he visited, and took lots of photographs.

"How many incidents have we had in Blackburn?

"He is talking a load of rubbish."

Dr Salih, a Sunni Muslim, was elected in January 2005 to Iraq's first democratically-held elections in 50 years.

During his visit to Blackburn, in the run up to the 2005 general election, he told an audience at Audley Community Centre not to vote against Mr Straw, then foreign secretary, because of the war in Iraq.

Coun Mulla said he could not remember which mosques Dr Salih had visited.

Mr Straw could not be contacted for comment.

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Coun Mulla said he could not remember which mosques Dr Salih had visited.

Perhaps someone should help him to remember. :frown:

 

[techs]

Of course the British mosques are funded by (as per Secrets of the Kingdom)........
Saudi Arabia. Our partners in the war to create more terrorists.

 

[Lemon law]

Muslims living in England basically find themselves strangers in a strange land. They are the minority and face discrimination by the much larger majority. And that discrimination extends past religion into economic and other areas. The same thing is true in other European countries.
So you essentially get poverty and a ghetto, always a breeding ground for radicalism. Which then deepens the divide in a feedback loop because when small groups of Muslims act radically, the whole community gets blamed.

Yet the Iraqi at home is in a huge majority and feels no pressure to cling to radicalism to justify the minority status that does not exist. And because the non insurgent Iraqi vast majority tends to see the general ethnic cleansing occurring as religious radical based, they tend to reject radical violence that threatens everyone.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
So you essentially get poverty and a ghetto, always a breeding ground for radicalism. Which then deepens the divide in a feedback loop because when small groups of Muslims act radically, the whole community gets blamed.

Poverty is the cause?

Perhaps you should get educated on the subject matter, before making a fool of yourself.

Prime example:
UK doctor plot

Reason why you?re wrong:
The development of a jihadist's mind

CNN: Terrorists' backgrounds defy conventional wisdom

? About two-thirds of the terrorists went to college, in an area of the world where only about 10 percent of young men get a post-secondary education

? About 87 percent came from generally secular backgrounds (most of the other 13 percent, who studied at the Muslim schools known as madrassas, were Indonesians)

? Most came from middle or upper-middle class households

Sageman calls "kinship and friendship" the main reasons young men join al Qaeda, claiming that friends and relatives brought more than 90 percent of the membership into the fold.

This means recruitment is much more personal than previously thought, he says.

He cites several cases, including that of September 11 hijacker Mohammad Atta and the so-called Hamburg cell, consisting of a group of like-minded young men. As their religious views became more extreme, they cut themselves off from the outside world and became involved in terrorist activity.

"They are very ordinary," he said. "They form cliques and radicalize each other.

Invariably, most of the groups that became al Qaeda followed that trajectory."

 

[Pabster]

I'm not surprised. About 2 years ago there was a story about a group of Muslim Clerics in the UK literally living in seclusion and protected by security because they dared to speak out against radical Islam.

Those countries which choose to ignore the rise of radical Islam will do so at their own peril.

 

[Lemon law]

While Jackalas is correct that many of the leading terrorists thinker come from privileged backgrounds, but totally ignores the fact that most of their recruits do not. And its the large number of recruits that do the actual work to make terrorism an effective tactic.

And its precisely these ideas that find fertile soil when planted in the Muslim ghetto's I spoke of. Giving a smoldering general anger voice and direction.

So as usual, good try but you are still incorrect. You have rebutted nothing.

 

[Jaskalas]

It?s groupthink of a supremacy that fuels it. There?s plenty of proof, as CNN gives evidence above, that economic status is irrelevant to those killing infidels across the globe.

I?m sure you weren?t apologizing for KKK members telling us ?it?s because they?re impoverished? when Blacks were dying.

 

[yllus]

Probably accurate. Mosques here in Canada are often pretty wacko, and the U.K. seems to fuel even more of the anti-West attitude. On the other hand the mosques I visited in Pakistan were relatively free of rhetoric - they had more basic needs to talk and think about.

As usual, Lemon Law speaks out of his ass pretending to have knowledge about every topic under the sun. Incorrect for the billionth time:

Do British Muslims really pose a threat to that country and its traditional values?

The predictable sociological explanation is that the extremists are the victims of social exclusion. But the NOP survey found no significant difference in political and religious attitudes by social class. Upper- and middle-class Muslims are as likely to be radical defenders of Islam as lower middle class and poorer ones.

Hot for martyrdom

Dr. Tawfik Hamid doesn't tell people where he lives. Not the street, not the city, not even the country. It's safer that way. It's only the letters of testimony from some of the highest intelligence officers in the Western world that enable him to move freely. This medical doctor, author and activist once was a member of Egypt's Al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya (Arabic for "the Islamic Group"), a banned terrorist organization. He was trained under Ayman al-Zawahiri, the bearded jihadi who appears in Bin Laden's videos, telling the world that Islamic violence will stop only once we all become Muslims.

He's a disarmingly gentle and courteous man. But he's determined to tell a complacent North America what he knows about fundamentalist Muslim imperialism.

He is now 45 years old, and has had many years to reflect on why he was willing to die and kill for his religion. "The first thing you have to understand is that it has nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with poverty or lack of education," he says. "I was from a middle-class family and my parents were not religious. Hardly anyone in the movement at university came from a background that was different from mine.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
It?s groupthink of a supremacy that fuels it. There?s plenty of proof, as CNN gives evidence above, that economic status is irrelevant to those killing infidels across the globe.

I?m sure you weren?t apologizing for KKK members telling us ?it?s because they?re impoverished? when Blacks were dying.

Hah! You want to talk about "groupthink", how about the content of this very thread? Some guy from a totally different region of the world does a quick visit to a handful of mosques in the UK, sees some stuff he's really vague about, and you guys instantly jump on this as proof that all mosques in England, and by extension all mosques everywhere, are breeding grounds for radical Islam. Talk about hearing exactly what you want to hear...