Dept of Education to merge with Dept of Labor??

[UNCjigga]

Ok ok, I LOLed, probably fake news. But probably not. Either way, I doubt it will happen

But if Trump does this, who keeps their job? DeVos or Acosta??

My money's on...Mick Mulvaney!

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/20/merger-education-labor-departments-641084

 

[Incorruptible]

This wouldn't happen but the department of education should be abolished though.

 

[UglyCasanova]

This wouldn't happen but the department of education should be abolished though.

I disagree but I can see where the sentiment would come from given the absurdity of so many standardized tests. Those should be abolished for sure, maybe do one every four or five years or so but not all the damned time.

 

[Incorruptible]

I disagree but I can see where the sentiment would come from given the absurdity of so many standardized tests. Those should be abolished for sure, maybe do one every four or five years or so but not all the damned time.

It was only created by jimmy carter as a gift to the teachers unions, It takes money keeps some for themselves and then sends it back for the schools but this takes money away from the schools. Without them there would be more money available for the schools. It serves political interests and not educational ones.


http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-e...lish-education-department-20170106-story.html

 

[UglyCasanova]

Maybe so I’d need to read up more to have any real opinion

 

[UNCjigga]

This wouldn't happen but the department of education should be abolished though.

Some days I actually agree with you. Let the 50 states compete to build the best state-run, state- or private-funded system, and coastal states no longer have to fund the flyover states. Eventually, the best ideas will be replicated, or else you'll have different strokes for different folks.

But then I remember that this will lead to a generation of morons worse than what we have now.

 

[dawp]

Some days I actually agree with you. Let the 50 states compete to build the best state-run, state- or private-funded system, and coastal states no longer have to fund the flyover states. Eventually, the best ideas will be replicated, or else you'll have different strokes for different folks.

But then I remember that this will lead to a generation of morons worse than what we have now.

a generation of incorrigibles? that's something I would dread.

 

[dphantom]

This wouldn't happen but the department of education should be abolished though.

agreed. ever since its creation, US educational standards have steadily declined. Shut it down would be the best thing educationally for our children.

 

[brycejones]

agreed. ever since its creation, US educational standards have steadily declined. Shut it down would be the best thing educationally for our children.

The GOP ending the war on education would be a better start.

 

[sdifox]

Department of re-education through hard labour

 

[ivwshane]

What's the justification for this? I'm not entirely confident that this particular administration has even a shred of competence to pull something like this off.

Unfortunately, with this administration you have to read between the lines to figure out what their real reasoning and motivation is and until we have that I'll be highly skeptical. Luckily, they have to go through Congress and this Congress is almost as incompetent as this administration and will likely go no where.

 

[Jhhnn]

I'll bet the GOP can completely neuter both agencies if they play it right.

 

[HomerJS]

My bet Trump keeps the white chick

 

[Jhhnn]

My bet Trump keeps the white chick

Of course. DeVos is right wing Rich. Acosta is just a high achiever.

 

[compcons]

So abolish Dept. Of Education since it isn't perfect? There are some huge opportunities to improve a lot of government agencies and get some efficiencies, but that hardly warrants abolishing it. As noted before, plenty of states would absolutely flounder educationally if they weren't forced to meet standards. And considering that those standards suck, I can 't begin to comprehend what things could look like 5 years without the department.

Rip it down and rebuild it? Maybe. But I really can't understand why people are against setting standards and trying to ensure we as a country are not a bunch of dumb asses. The problem is the execution sucks and results are not great.

 

[nickqt]

So abolish Dept. Of Education since it isn't perfect? There are some huge opportunities to improve a lot of government agencies and get some efficiencies, but that hardly warrants abolishing it. As noted before, plenty of states would absolutely flounder educationally if they weren't forced to meet standards. And considering that those standards suck, I can 't begin to comprehend what things could look like 5 years without the department.

Rip it down and rebuild it? Maybe. But I really can't understand why people are against setting standards and trying to ensure we as a country are not a bunch of dumb asses. The problem is the execution sucks and results are not great.

Abolishing the Dept. of Education lowers taxes on the oligarchs. It also allows them to take their savings and create private schools to earn more money.

Win-win, when you don't give a fuck about anything but wealth and power.

What's there to understand?

 

[wirelessenabled]

Combine the two Depts so that the GOP can get children back to work instead of school. Now that Trump is banning imported labor, employers in the US are going to need homegrown labor. There are not enough adults so they will have to get children back on the job instead of having the children screwing around in school. In the Conservative opinion anyone over about 12 yrs old should be working instead of going to school.

 

[Jhhnn]

Before long they'll be "teaching the controversy" about creationism & evolution in science class, showing the kids how the world might be only 6000 years old. Meanwhile they'll change the rules of the game so that the labor dept can't do a damned thing for working people.

Feel the freedumb.

 

[ivwshane]

Obviously they want to combine the two departments so that they can push and revive their economic philosophy of trickle down. They need to keep new generations believing the myth because at its current projection, trickle down will go the way of creationism (until they revived that too).

 

[Pipeline 1010]

So abolish Dept. Of Education since it isn't perfect?

That would be a horrible reason to abolish the DOE. It that were actually anyone's actual reason. Which it isn't. I think you already know this though. The DOE sucks money away from teaching and gives it to administrators. The U.S. consistently ranks near the top of the world in the amount of money spent per student, but ranks very low for the amount of money spent on actually teaching the student. We are giving too much money to high paid administrators who will never even meet a child.

As a country, we are very two-faced when it comes to opinions of our teachers. On one hand we say that teachers are heroes and underpaid and need more money. On the other hand, we say that they need 7 layers of administration above them or else they will teach like shit. Which one is it? I say let the teachers teach. The Inuit in central Alaska might have different educational needs than the kid in Martha's Vineyard or the kid growing up in inner city Long Beach. Let the teachers teach. If anyone in the world knows what kids should learn, it is teachers.

As noted before, plenty of states would absolutely flounder educationally if they weren't forced to meet standards. And considering that those standards suck, I can 't begin to comprehend what things could look like 5 years without the department.

Did these states flounder before the creation of the DOE? The DOE was created to improve education. Yet our world rankings have dropped consistently since the creation of the DOE. What exactly has the DOE made better, other than providing high salaries and retirement packages to people who don't actually teach?

Rip it down and rebuild it? Maybe.

Why rebuild an expensive piece of shit?

But I really can't understand why people are against setting standards and trying to ensure we as a country are not a bunch of dumb asses.

That's not what the DOE does. At least that hasn't been the result. Nobody is against good education. Some of us are against spending money on people who don't improve education when we could instead be spending it on teaching children.

 

[Jhhnn]

I say let the teachers teach. The Inuit in central Alaska might have different educational needs than the kid in Martha's Vineyard or the kid growing up in inner city Long Beach.

And I'm sure that fundie christian whack jobs in East Texas know just what their students need to know, as well.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

And I'm sure that fundie christian whack jobs in East Texas know just what their students need to know, as well.

OK so your fear is that someone MIGHT teach someone Christianity in school. Or MIGHT teach someone poorly. Throwing money at educational administration doesn't have a great track record in this nation.

Are teachers allowed to teach or not? If they do a bad job can they be fired? Does a 7 layer deep administration make things better or not? Don't play "what if". Play "what is". Are you willing to take money away from teaching kids in order to prevent your deeply rooted fear of edge-case Christian teaching in school?

 

[compcons]

My point remains that education needs direction and oversight for our country as a whole. DOE is NOT doing a great job, but I am trying to understand how an individual voter can get behind the Republican notion that "Department Bad, burn!" rather than "let's fix this". In this case, I guess it's my sense that a lot of people are either genuinely hateful or people being educated (which is not the purpose of the DOE) or simply following their team playbook.

 

[compcons]

That would be a horrible reason to abolish the DOE. It that were actually anyone's actual reason. Which it isn't. I think you already know this though. The DOE sucks money away from teaching and gives it to administrators. The U.S. consistently ranks near the top of the world in the amount of money spent per student, but ranks very low for the amount of money spent on actually teaching the student. We are giving too much money to high paid administrators who will never even meet a child.

As a country, we are very two-faced when it comes to opinions of our teachers. On one hand we say that teachers are heroes and underpaid and need more money. On the other hand, we say that they need 7 layers of administration above them or else they will teach like shit. Which one is it? I say let the teachers teach. The Inuit in central Alaska might have different educational needs than the kid in Martha's Vineyard or the kid growing up in inner city Long Beach. Let the teachers teach. If anyone in the world knows what kids should learn, it is teachers.



Did these states flounder before the creation of the DOE? The DOE was created to improve education. Yet our world rankings have dropped consistently since the creation of the DOE. What exactly has the DOE made better, other than providing high salaries and retirement packages to people who don't actually teach?



Why rebuild an expensive piece of shit?



That's not what the DOE does. At least that hasn't been the result. Nobody is against good education. Some of us are against spending money on people who don't improve education when we could instead be spending it on teaching children.

Fix it because it isn't working. Running our government is not like building a house. Once it is gone, creating somehing new is monumentally more difficult than modifying something that exists. Imagine Congress trying to approve creation of the new Department of Being Smarter versus passing g legislation to make the DOE (or anything for that matter) better. It would not happen, too much political fighting.

Don't let your desire for rapid change put you in the same camp as those who simply want it gone forever. In today's political climate, "gone" is most likely "gone for good".

 

[zinfamous]

This wouldn't happen but the department of education should be abolished though.

Your life failures due to your refusal to be educated are not the government's fault, numbnuts.