Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2013

NoStateofMind

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http://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/senate-bill/34

Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2013 - Amends the federal criminal code to authorize the Attorney General to deny the transfer of a firearm or the issuance of a firearms or explosives license or permit (or revoke such license or permit) if the Attorney General: (1) determines that the transferee is known (or appropriately suspected) to be engaged in terrorism or has provided material support or resources for terrorism; and (2) has a reasonable belief that the transferee may use a firearm in connection with terrorism. Allows any individual whose firearms or explosives license application has been denied to bring legal action to challenge the denial.

Extends the prohibition against the sale or distribution of firearms or explosives to include individuals whom the Attorney General has determined to be engaged in terrorist activities. Imposes criminal penalties on individuals engaged in terrorist activities who smuggle or knowingly bring firearms into the United States.

Authorizes the Attorney General to withhold information in firearms and explosives license denial revocation lawsuits and from employers if the Attorney General determines that the disclosure of such information would likely compromise national security.


What?!


We needed a law like this in 2001. Obviously we could have stopped the attack with a bill like this.
 

Doppel

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This is a good bill. Today any terroris can go into a store and when asked what they are buying the gun for "mass murder" is not one of the prohibited answers. This closes that loophole.
 

KB

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Why not just make terrorism illegal. Oh it already is. The problem with these lists is that people who aren't terrorists often get on them, either because of similar names or just errors. Remember when Cat Stevens was put on a terror watch list?

http://articles.cnn.com/2004-09-22/...possession-of-additional-information?_s=PM:US

Terrorists certainly shouldn't get guns, but if they are indeed terorists they should just be arrested. No bill needed.
 

Matt1970

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Mar 19, 2007
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Come on now, we know the answer is to make these acts twice as illegal as they were before. That will surely stop them from happening.
 

monovillage

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Sources: Joe Biden likened tea partiers to terrorists

Vice President Joe Biden joined House Democrats in lashing tea party Republicans Monday, accusing them of having “acted like terrorists” in the fight over raising the nation’s debt limit, according to several sources in the room.

Biden was agreeing with a line of argument made by Rep. Mike Doyle (D-Pa.) at a two-hour, closed-door Democratic Caucus meeting.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/60421.html#ixzz2JwWrBTAX

But he didn't really mean it.

The Freedom to Call People "Terrorists"
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2011/08/02/the_freedom_to_call_people_terrorists_.html
 

Charles Kozierok

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Yawn, another zombie bill. Already introduced at least twice in the House, where it died.

Introduced by a Republican, incidentally.

Nothing to see here, move along.
 

xj0hnx

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Yawn, another zombie bill. Already introduced at least twice in the House, where it died.

Introduced by a Republican, incidentally.

Nothing to see here, move along.


Lautenberg is a Republican? On what planet?

All 10 sponsors ...

CosponsorDate CosponsoredSen. Schumer, Charles E. [D-NY]*01/22/2013Sen. Durbin, Richard [D-IL]*01/22/2013Sen. Feinstein, Dianne [D-CA]*01/22/2013Sen. Reed, Jack [D-RI]*01/22/2013Sen. Boxer, Barbara [D-CA]*01/22/2013Sen. Menendez, Robert [D-NJ]*01/22/2013Sen. Whitehouse, Sheldon [D-RI]*01/22/2013Sen. Levin, Carl [D-MI]*01/22/2013Sen. Blumenthal, Richard [D-CT]*01/22/2013Sen. Gillibrand, Kirsten E. [D-NY]*01/22/2013

See a theme?
 

Bowfinger

Lifer
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I wonder if this has anything to do with Fast and Furious? Reportedly one of the problems the feds faced was they had no legal basis for denying the sales. Mere suspicion wasn't adequate cause for denying someone's Second Amendment rights. Of course that would also seem to be the problem with this bill, does it pass Constitutional muster? Can the AG circumvent due process and unilaterally declare somebody to be a terrorist? Can the state deny Second Amendment rights based solely on their declaration, especially when they are then permitted in at least some cases to keep the basis for decision a secret?
 

tcG

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Often, terrorist = domestic dissident who holds opinions not approved by the thought controllers
 

klinc

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Maximum sentence should be 27 with the option to run for President after it.
 

cubby1223

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Right! Because terrorists obtain their firearms and explosives from legit dealers. Everyone knows this.
 

Genx87

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I wonder if this has anything to do with Fast and Furious? Reportedly one of the problems the feds faced was they had no legal basis for denying the sales. Mere suspicion wasn't adequate cause for denying someone's Second Amendment rights. Of course that would also seem to be the problem with this bill, does it pass Constitutional muster? Can the AG circumvent due process and unilaterally declare somebody to be a terrorist? Can the state deny Second Amendment rights based solely on their declaration, especially when they are then permitted in at least some cases to keep the basis for decision a secret?

That is the slippery slope in this situation. Considering the state seems fine with defining citizens as terrorists and will execute them without due process. I have high confidence the state would abuse its position to deny people their 2nd amendment rights.
 

xj0hnx

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Dec 18, 2007
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That is the slippery slope in this situation. Considering the state seems fine with defining citizens as terrorists and will execute them without due process. I have high confidence the state would abuse its position to deny people their 2nd amendment rights.

Yip, this is one of those end runs that we need to watch out for. Even though it's highly doubtful this will go anywhere, as it never has in the past, it's the type of legislature that eyes need to stay mindful of.
 

Charles Kozierok

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And that one still had over 10 times the numbers of Democrat sponsors, 38 D-3 R. But he is a NY Republican, soooo ....

He's not just any Republican, though, considering his job (embarrassing that it is that he has it.)

Anyway, my point isn't how many stupid Rs versus Ds support this, just that it's yet another of those frivolous bills that gets put up every congress and never goes anywhere.
 

xj0hnx

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He's not just any Republican, though, considering his job (embarrassing that it is that he has it.)

Anyway, my point isn't how many stupid Rs versus Ds support this, just that it's yet another of those frivolous bills that gets put up every congress and never goes anywhere.

It's a good example of such bills. It just boggles the mind that someone would even write such a bill. It's like Captain Obvious caved in their skull with No Shit Sherlock's bat.