Dems shouldn't filibuster gorsuch because of his political leanings

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If Democrats were to filibuster gorsuch what should their reasoning be?


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pcgeek11

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Your comprehension of history is as pathetic as your complete lack of integrity, troll. The inability to man up and admit error over your blatant dishonesty makes me think you're this chickenshit IRL too.

No wonder you support Dump; you see his dishonest asshole routine and recognize him as a kindred spirit. At least you seem comfortable with being confirmed as having no credibility, so there's that I guess.

Well, why don't you answer my question?

How many Supreme Court Justices have been passed in an election year?
 

arandomguy

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Looking this up it seems like the last time this could have occurred was was back in 1932, and a new justice was appointed in the same year. In 1916 there were 2 seats vacated during an election year, replacements were both also appointed in that same year. At least it seems for the 1900s in all 3 cases where this could have occurred the replacement was passed. No seats were vacated since 1932 during an election year.

Ronald Reagen did appoint a new Justice who passed in 1988 although this was because the seat was vacated the previous year.
 
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Pretty useless question. I don't even know why Senator McConnell is bothering with it, he just needs to pass the Reid Rule, make the Supreme Court choice a simple majority as well as all legislation. Then President Trump needs to nominate at least 6 more conservative Justices to pack the court to an 11-4 majority. Why is he even bothering with tip toeing around the filibuster i have no idea.
 

ivwshane

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Pretty useless question. I don't even know why Senator McConnell is bothering with it, he just needs to pass the Reid Rule, make the Supreme Court choice a simple majority as well as all legislation. Then President Trump needs to nominate at least 6 more conservative Justices to pack the court to an 11-4 majority. Why is he even bothering with tip toeing around the filibuster i have no idea.

Yep and when the dems do the same thing we will see endless posts from you condemning their action as partisan and anti American. You are that predictable and that partisan.
 

Atreus21

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Yep and when the dems do the same thing we will see endless posts from you condemning their action as partisan and anti American. You are that predictable and that partisan.

We should just turn the SCOTUS into another Senate. Appoint 91 more justices.
 

HomerJS

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If justice is supposed to be blind, why is so vital that it remain conservative. Why not try the other way for a while?

We needed progressive courts for civil rights cases to hold up.

I suspect that's why Gorsuch won't answer any questions about Brown V Board of Ed
 

theeedude

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Because last 40 years of a corporatist Republican SCOTUS worked out so great for the GOP base, why would anyone want to change it?
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shortylickens

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The majority of that productivity improvement came from robots and computers. Not people.
No reason their salary would increase alongside productivity.
 

fskimospy

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The majority of that productivity improvement came from robots and computers. Not people.
No reason their salary would increase alongside productivity.

Are you trying to claim that productivity before 1980 didn't come largely from technology? If so, why?
 

glenn1

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Are you trying to claim that productivity before 1980 didn't come largely from technology? If so, why?

Since 1980 western economies have moved from being heavily labor intensive industry dominated to capital intensive industry dominated. There's a reason why 'knowledge workers' are being well paid and low-skilled workers are stuck at minimum wage or barely above. That trend will only accelerate. The idea that your average blue collar worker deserves any pay increases due to productivity improvements is ludicrous and being proven IRL daily.
 

fskimospy

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Since 1980 western economies have moved from being heavily labor intensive industry dominated to capital intensive industry dominated. There's a reason why 'knowledge workers' are being well paid and low-skilled workers are stuck at minimum wage or barely above. That trend will only accelerate. The idea that your average blue collar worker deserves any pay increases due to productivity improvements is ludicrous and being proven IRL daily.

Who said anything about 'deserve'? That's irrelevant. The only question is what's best for the country's stability and future productivity. Research indicates that reducing inequality is probably good for both, which is why we should do it (or will eventually be forced to do it).

People like you who focus on what people 'deserve' are stupidly wasting your time and thoughts on shit that doesn't matter. This isn't about how you feel, this is about what's the smart thing to do.
 

HamburgerBoy

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People will be paid according to the value they create in their work. Unskilled human labor is less valuable than ever, and machines are more productive than ever.

That image above is stupid anyways; productivity and compensation deviated beginning in the early 70s, long before Saint Reagan, and it's not like he got a brand new, totally conservative SC the day he was elected anyways.
 

agent00f

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People will be paid according to the value they create in their work. Unskilled human labor is less valuable than ever, and machines are more productive than ever.

That image above is stupid anyways; productivity and compensation deviated beginning in the early 70s, long before Saint Reagan, and it's not like he got a brand new, totally conservative SC the day he was elected anyways.

Would you say american management create a lot more value vs other first world counterparts given their pay disparity?
 

Amused

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Well, why don't you answer my question?

How many Supreme Court Justices have been passed in an election year?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...e-in-an-election-year/?utm_term=.76135bc6d7ab

One-third of all U.S. presidents appointed a Supreme Court justice in an election year

FACT: The 13 presidents who have filled Supreme Court vacancies during a presidential election year are:

George Washington (1796, Justice Samuel Chase and Chief Justice Oliver Elsworth)

Thomas Jefferson (1804, Justice William Johnson)

Andrew Jackson (1836, Justice Philip Barbour and Chief Justice Roger Taney)

Abraham Lincoln (1864, Chief Justice Salmon Chase)

Ulysses S. Grant (1872, Justice Ward Hunt)

Rutherford Hayes (1880, Justice William Woods)

Grover Cleveland (1888, Justice Lucius Lamar and Chief Justice Melville Fuller)

Benjamin Harrison (1892, Justice George Shiras, Jr.)

William Taft (1912, Justice Mahlon Pitney)

Woodrow Wilson (1916, Justices Louis Brandeis and John Clarke)

Herbert Hoover (1932, Justice Benjamin Cardozo)

Franklin D. Roosevelt (1940, Justice Frank Murphy)

Ronald Reagan (1988, Justice Anthony Kennedy)
 

HamburgerBoy

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Would you say american management create a lot more value vs other first world counterparts given their pay disparity?

Probably depends on the kind of management and the kind of business. American businesses are generally speaking more productive and innovative than non-American businesses, and we have more young/self-made billionaires now than ever before. Considering that they often compete on an international scale selling high-demand products rather than engaging in the old wealth-generating tactics of the DeBeers of the world, I generally believe that our top management creates more value. If we're talking middle-management, then off the top of my head I don't know how they compare to other nations. If we're talking older corporations with revolving door CEOs that exist due to lobbying/bailouts/protectionism, then I can agree they aren't worth what they receive.
 

pcgeek11

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Oh boy, this is awkward now.

No, it isn't. I asked a question and he was gracious enough to answer. The information that I had was obviously incorrect. I read that it was a lot less than what was outlined in his post and link.
 
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agent00f

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Probably depends on the kind of management and the kind of business. American businesses are generally speaking more productive and innovative than non-American businesses, and we have more young/self-made billionaires now than ever before. Considering that they often compete on an international scale selling high-demand products rather than engaging in the old wealth-generating tactics of the DeBeers of the world, I generally believe that our top management creates more value. If we're talking middle-management, then off the top of my head I don't know how they compare to other nations. If we're talking older corporations with revolving door CEOs that exist due to lobbying/bailouts/protectionism, then I can agree they aren't worth what they receive.

So american businesses are marginally more productive per employee due to higher exec pay? O rly?