Dems primary calendar changing for 2024

[Bitek]

Biden has proposed changing the early primary calendar for the Democrats.

https://www.axios.com/2022/12/02/biden-democrat-primary-overhaul-call

Ultimately, Iowa and NH lose importance, meanwhile SC, NV, GA and MI increase. SC would be first.

This also represents a shift away from white AF rural constituents towards more Southern, browner and metropolitan voters.

Also gets the chaotic caucus in Iowa off of center stage, which has been a source of numerous problems and controversy in the recent cycles, particularly in 2020 when they had problems reporting the vote totals.

 

[Chaotic42]

I wish everyone would just do their primaries on the same day. The current system seems to give too much power to whichever states are first. Is there some benefit to the current system that I'm missing?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I wish everyone would just do their primaries on the same day. The current system seems to give too much power to whichever states are first. Is there some benefit to the current system that I'm missing?

Agreed

 

[sportage]

Iowa loses first-in-the-nation status

YEA! Finally. IOwa never deserved to be first and especially after the fiscasko last time.
Plus, all the blacks and youth have moved out of Iowa so all you have are farmers who only vote republican. This is why IOwa is now a red state. Commie red.

 

[K1052]

Realistically only Michigan and Nevada will be able to move their primary dates. No way the Rs let them in South Carolina or especially Georgia. I think the order should be Nevada then Michigan a week or two later. New Hampshire can do whatever it wants.

 

[dawp]

I wish everyone would just do their primaries on the same day. The current system seems to give too much power to whichever states are first. Is there some benefit to the current system that I'm missing?

only to the states that are the earliest so they can thump their chests

 

[quikah]

I wish everyone would just do their primaries on the same day. The current system seems to give too much power to whichever states are first. Is there some benefit to the current system that I'm missing?

I suppose it would be easier for a less well funded candidate to have a better chance of making a splash by focusing on 1 or 2 states.

 

[Bitek]

I wish everyone would just do their primaries on the same day. The current system seems to give too much power to whichever states are first. Is there some benefit to the current system that I'm missing?

Well, it's not an election, it's the party choosing it's nominee and they can do it any way they want.

What benefit would nationalizing the primary be? You would have 6-20 candidates running around the entire country, spending like mad in the big population states who are delegate rich. Does that better shape the best nominee for the general election?

 

[sportage]

Oh my. Iowa news media is absolutely freaking out about this news. The loss of revenue, the loss of attention, and even Iowa republican leaders are freaking because they know they could be next. It makes no sense for Iowa Republicans to keep first in the nation status while Iowa democrats sit out waiting their turn down the road. Yeah, Iowa Republicans are sweating.

Plus... the caucus system is shit. Iowa is a caucus state. People meeting in groups to... to... hell I don't know what the hell they think they're doing? Neither do they. And for people working nights and evenings, they are locked out of the process entirely. No allowance given them. This can hardly reflect the will of the people.

I just remember back during the last Iowa primaries when a CNN reporter covering Iowa was bitching on air that there was no place to eat after 9pm. Everything was closed, he reported. He said, all he could find to eat was cold pizza at the gas station. Or... how about that one Iowa county where officials just stopped counting. Everyone just quit counting and went home. Then, the local head of elections at home asleep was awaken in her pajamas and ordered to get her ass back to counting ballots.
First in the nation? Yeah.... right.

 

[Zorba]

I wish everyone would just do their primaries on the same day. The current system seems to give too much power to whichever states are first. Is there some benefit to the current system that I'm missing?

Most campaigns wouldn't have the money to compete nationally. Being able to focus on a single state long term gives a big long up to less known candidates, for example Pete in 2020 and Obama in 2008.

 

[gorobei]

i look forward to future candidates not pledging to kowtow to the corn ethanol lobby every cycle.

 

[Zorba]

I think they should really pick a swing state like Georgia, Florida, Penn, etc. That way all the investment in the ground game for the first primary benefits the general election. South Carolina isn't going Blue for a long time, so it's another wasted effort just like Iowa.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Biden has proposed changing the early primary calendar for the Democrats.

https://www.axios.com/2022/12/02/biden-democrat-primary-overhaul-call

Ultimately, Iowa and NH lose importance, meanwhile SC, NV, GA and MI increase. SC would be first.

This also represents a shift away from white AF rural constituents towards more Southern, browner and metropolitan voters.

Also gets the chaotic caucus in Iowa off of center stage, which has been a source of numerous problems and controversy in the recent cycles, particularly in 2020 when they had problems reporting the vote totals.

No idea why South Carolina should matter since it's a clear fascist red state.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

I think they should really pick a swing state like Georgia, Florida, Penn, etc. That way all the investment in the ground game for the first primary benefits the general election. South Carolina isn't going Blue for a long time, so it's another wasted effort just like Iowa.

Florida isn't a swing state. Tired of seeing the Democrats just flush money down the shitter in Florida.

 

[MrSquished]

I think they should really pick a swing state like Georgia, Florida, Penn, etc. That way all the investment in the ground game for the first primary benefits the general election. South Carolina isn't going Blue for a long time, so it's another wasted effort just like Iowa.

agreed. glad Idaho is gone and SC is better than Idaho but wtf, why a fucking deep red shithole state? at least a swing state. I don't think Florida is a swing state anymore either but yeah, Michigan and Georgia could work on day 1.

 

[Bitek]

No idea why South Carolina should matter since it's a clear fascist red state.

Ummm black people who vote 90+% Democrat and SC is why Biden won the nomination over Mayor Pete

See also, Jim Clyburn

See also, anyone who thinks they will primary Biden will need to run through Jim Clyburn, and black voters first.

Clear signal Biden is running in 2024.

 

[K1052]

Ummm black people who vote 90+% Democrat and SC is why Biden won the nomination over Mayor Pete

See also, Jim Clyburn

Some seem to forget that people were leaving Biden for dead until he hit in a state that has more than six black people in it. Black voters being a pretty important component of the Dem coalition and all.

 

[MrSquished]

Some seem to forget that people were leaving Biden for dead until he hit in a state that has more than six black people in it. Black voters being a pretty important component of the Dem coalition and all.

Oh I remember. But that is no reason why it should be the first primary state. There are no good reasons for it to be the first primary state

 

[Zorba]

agreed. glad Idaho is gone and SC is better than Idaho but wtf, why a fucking deep red shithole state? at least a swing state. I don't think Florida is a swing state anymore either but yeah, Michigan and Georgia could work on day 1.

Ron DeSantous barely won in 2018, Obama won it twice. Writing off Florida is a terrible idea. We've just let MAGA run around screaming socialism for 6 years scaring off the Cubans and Venezuelans.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Ummm black people who vote 90+% Democrat and SC is why Biden won the nomination over Mayor Pete

See also, Jim Clyburn

See also, anyone who thinks they will primary Biden will need to run through Jim Clyburn, and black voters first.

Clear signal Biden is running in 2024.

Over Mayor Pete? You mean over Bernie.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Some seem to forget that people were leaving Biden for dead until he hit in a state that has more than six black people in it. Black voters being a pretty important component of the Dem coalition and all.

True. Which is why I like states like Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Michigan having early primaries. An ideal Democrat nominee would be strong with black voters and with rust belt working class white voters like Obama was. SC though I'd worry about catering too much to blue dogs in an unwinnable state.

 

[MrSquished]

Ron DeSantous barely won in 2018, Obama won it twice. Writing off Florida is a terrible idea. We've just let MAGA run around screaming socialism for 6 years scaring off the Cubans and Venezuelans.

Yes and trends are changing. But I'm not saying give up on Florida I'm just saying it shouldn't be a first primary day state.

 

[sportage]

Yeah, even the iOwa democrat leaders are blaming Joe Biden for this DNC change, saying Biden wanted a state that he won to go first. It's not like iOwa actually screwed this up for themselves AND, iOwa is in itself a very weird state.

But despite all that, iOwa dem leaders are pulling a Donald Trump with insisting they buck the system and go first anyway, no matter what the national DNC says and no matter what South Carolina does. So we may have dueling states come February 2024. iOwa has some obscure law on the books that says iOwa must go first, so the locals are claiming that iOwa law allows iOwa to go first regardless of what South Carolina does or the DNC wants.

I know, I know.... no one really cares about the "who goes first" thingy, especially on a national level, but with the freakout in iOwa and with the local news media going absolutely nuts over this you'd think the DNC just banned toilet paper throughout the state.
I remember trying to get an Obama yard sign back when Obama was running. I went to the iOwa dem HQ and it was like a graveyard. One little old lady sitting all alone way in the back typing. I asked if they had any Obama signs and she said "I DON'T KNOW, LOOK AROUND". Well, there were none to be found. It was then I became worried for Obama in iOwa. And frankly, nothing has changed. iOwa republicans are well organized (for farmers), but the democrats?

 

[Indus]

Ron DeSantous barely won in 2018, Obama won it twice. Writing off Florida is a terrible idea. We've just let MAGA run around screaming socialism for 6 years scaring off the Cubans and Venezuelans.

Well if they would rather vote for fascists and white christian nationalists, it would appear to be useless to appeal to them as our whole coalition is based on anti-fascism and freedom from religious zealots and fascists.

 

[Zorba]

Well if they would rather vote for fascists and white christian nationalists, it would appear to be useless to appeal to them as our whole coalition is based on anti-fascism and freedom from religious zealots and fascists.

Even in 2020 it was pretty close. Writing off Florida is fucking stupid. Dems have to try to appeal to people in states the lean right. Having the first primary in such a state would give the Dems a lot of extra exposure there and allow the primary ground game infrastructure to roll into general. Every dollar spent in SC during the primaries is flushed down the drain for the general.