Democrats Seek to Repeal 2002 War Authorization

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It's unfortunate that Congress pissed away their war powers and gave W a blank check. Four years of failure later, it's high time to revoke the blank check.

Democrats Seek to Repeal 2002 War Authorization

By Shailagh Murray and Jonathan Weisman
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, February 23, 2007; Page A01

Senate Democratic leaders intend to unveil a plan next week to repeal the 2002 resolution authorizing the war in Iraq in favor of narrower authority that restricts the military's role and begins withdrawals of combat troops.

House Democrats have pulled back from efforts to link additional funding for the war to strict troop-readiness standards after the proposal came under withering fire from Republicans and from their party's own moderates. That strategy was championed by Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.) and endorsed by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.).

"If you strictly limit a commander's ability to rotate troops in and out of Iraq, that kind of inflexibility could put some missions and some troops at risk," said Rep. Chet Edwards (D-Tex.), who personally lodged his concerns with Murtha.

In both chambers, Democratic lawmakers are eager to take up binding legislation that would impose clear limits on U.S. involvement in Iraq after nearly four years of war. But Democrats remain divided over how to proceed. Some want to avoid the funding debate altogether, fearing it would invite Republican charges that the party is not supporting the troops. Others take a more aggressive view, believing the most effective way to confront President Bush's war policy is through a $100 billion war-spending bill that the president ultimately must sign to keep the war effort on track.

Last week, the House approved a nonbinding resolution that criticized Bush's decision to deploy an additional 21,500 troops, but the measure was blocked in the Senate by Republicans during a rare Saturday session. It is probable that Senate Democrats will encounter the same procedural roadblock in attempting to push through another resolution, in particular one with real teeth.

"I've had enough of 'nonbinding,' " said Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.), who is helping to draft the new Democratic proposal. The 2002 war resolution, he said, is an obvious target.

"The authorization that we gave the president back in 2002 is completely, completely outdated, inappropriate to what we're engaged in today," he said.

Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D-Del.) began calling for a reauthorization of the war early last month and raised it again last week, during a gathering in the office of Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.). Participants included Kerry, Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl M. Levin (Mich.), Charles E. Schumer (N.Y.), Jack Reed (R.I.) and Russell Feingold (Wis.). Those Democratic senators have emerged as an unofficial war council representing the caucus's wide range of views.

"We gave the president that power to destroy Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and, if necessary, to depose Saddam Hussein," Biden said of the 2002 resolution in a speech last week before the Brookings Institution. "The WMD was not there. Saddam Hussein is no longer there. The 2002 authorization is no longer relevant to the situation in Iraq."

Biden and Levin are drafting language to present to their colleagues when the Senate reconvenes on Tuesday, following a week-long recess.

The new framework would set a goal for withdrawing combat brigades by March 31, 2008, the same timetable established by the bipartisan Iraq Study Group. Once the combat phase ends, troops would be restricted to assisting Iraqis with training, border security and counterterrorism.

Senior Democratic aides said the proposed resolution would be sent directly to the Senate floor for action, without committee review, possibly as an amendment to a homeland security bill scheduled for debate next week.

Reid said no final decision had been made on the timing. Spokesman Jim Manley said Reid wants to present the idea to other Democrats before determining how and when to proceed.

Party leaders in the House are likely to present a proposal for binding legislation to the Democratic caucus next week, according to lawmakers in that chamber. But lawmakers and senior Democratic aides said Murtha's plan would have to be scaled back dramatically, after a week-long Republican assault.

Murtha, chairman of the Appropriations defense subcommittee and a leading critic of the war, had intended to fully fund Bush's $100 billion war request for the remainder of this fiscal year. But under his plan, those funds could be spent only to deploy combat troops deemed fully rested, trained and equipped.

After nearly four years of combat, most military units would not be able to meet those standards. Although the war would be fully funded, the policy would prevent some of the 21,500 additional combat troops from being deployed, and some troops already in Iraq would have to be sent home.

But that approach may be all but dead, according to several Democratic lawmakers. Murtha doomed his own plan in part by unveiling it on a left-wing Web site, inflaming party moderates.

"Congress has no business micromanaging a war, cutting off funding or even conditioning those funds," said Rep. Jim Cooper (Tenn.), a leading Democratic moderate, who called Murtha's whole effort "clumsy."

Cooper's position underscores the challenges now facing the House Democratic leadership. While the caucus's liberal wing is demanding legislation to end the war almost immediately, moderates such as Cooper say Congress should focus on oversight of the war and stay away from legislation that encroaches on the war powers of the president.

"I think Congress begins to skate on thin ice when we start to micromanage troop deployments and rotations," said Texas's Edwards, whose views reflect those of several other Democrats from conservative districts.

House Democratic Caucus Chairman Rahm Emanuel (Ill.) pointed out that Democrats still have public opinion strongly on their side and that a vote on any plan would place Republicans in more jeopardy than Democrats. A new, more restrictive authorization for the war also is gaining serious consideration in the House, Emanuel noted.

Several Democratic aides say the Iraq funding bill, due for a vote the week of March 12, may contain some of Murtha's demands for more training and better equipment for combat troops. But the proposals that set the toughest requirements are likely to drop out, such as a demand that troops be trained on and deployed with the combat equipment they will use in Iraq.

More important, the legislation may include a waiver that the president or defense secretary could invoke to deploy troops who are not fully combat-ready, Democratic aides said. That way, the commander in chief's hands would not be tied.

But under such a bill the president would have to publicly acknowledge that he is deploying troops with less than a year's rest from combat, that he is extending combat tours of troops in Iraq, or that he is sending units into battle without full training in counterinsurgency or urban warfare, the aides said.
 

Strk

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Wow, they actually grew a pair. Well, maybe just one, but still better than a non-binding resolution.
 

WHAMPOM

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GEEEEZZZZ! And I thought it was to liberate Iraq. Oh! I forgot that was Bush's first lie, after ten or eleven you do forget.:confused:
 

charrison

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let the retreat begin, damn the consequences...

I sure hope our troops dont have ask who they are fighting before they can return fire....
 

GoPackGo

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Originally posted by: charrison
let the retreat begin, damn the consequences...

I sure hope our troops dont have ask who they are fighting before they can return fire....

They should all be tried as war criminals! Right Ultra-left?
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: charrison
let the retreat begin, damn the consequences...

I sure hope our troops dont have ask who they are fighting before they can return fire....

The consequences were damned by people who voted for Disaster Master Bush.
 

UberNeuman

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Originally posted by: charrison
I sure hope our troops dont have ask who they are fighting before they can return fire....

They had to ask about support and got the answer: "As you know, you go to war with the Army you have. They?re not the Army you might want or wish to have at a later time."

So, save the croc tears.....



 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Originally posted by: charrison
let the retreat begin, damn the consequences...

I sure hope our troops dont have ask who they are fighting before they can return fire....

They should all be tried as war criminals! Right Ultra-left?

Yup, the whole military should be tried and shot. Anybody with any relatives in there back 200 years should be put in prison for life. All dogs should be shot too for good measure. Somebody should also paint the sky black.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Originally posted by: charrison
let the retreat begin, damn the consequences...

I sure hope our troops dont have ask who they are fighting before they can return fire....

They should all be tried as war criminals! Right Ultra-left?

Yup, the whole military should be tried and shot. Anybody with any relatives in there back 200 years should be put in prison for life. All dogs should be shot too for good measure. Somebody should also paint the sky black.

By the way they should be tortured before they're shot.
 

Balt

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To be honest, it sounds like political fantasy.

I think the only way Democrats are going to get troops out of Iraq (unless a Democrat is elected to the Presidency in 2008) is by using their Constitutionally-guaranteed powers. That means cutting the funding. The Administration and the Republican Party isn't going to let them take an 'easy' path to get the troops out, they want the Democrats to take the bigger political risk.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Originally posted by: charrison
I sure hope our troops dont have ask who they are fighting before they can return fire....

They had to ask about support and got the answer: "As you know, you go to war with the Army you have. They?re not the Army you might want or wish to have at a later time."

So, save the croc tears.....

Rumfield's comments are true, even if you dont like it.

But if Iraq falls into an Al quada nest after the democrats force a retreat, at least we will know where the blame falls.
 

UberNeuman

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Originally posted by: charrison
I sure hope our troops dont have ask who they are fighting before they can return fire....

They had to ask about support and got the answer: "As you know, you go to war with the Army you have. They?re not the Army you might want or wish to have at a later time."

So, save the croc tears.....

Rumfield's comments are true, even if you dont like it.

But if Iraq falls into an Al quada nest after the democrats force a retreat, at least we will know where the blame falls.

GWB?

 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Originally posted by: charrison
I sure hope our troops dont have ask who they are fighting before they can return fire....

They had to ask about support and got the answer: "As you know, you go to war with the Army you have. They?re not the Army you might want or wish to have at a later time."

So, save the croc tears.....

Rumfield's comments are true, even if you dont like it.

But if Iraq falls into an Al quada nest after the democrats force a retreat, at least we will know where the blame falls.

GWB?

Remind me to cut the legs out from under whatever you're doing, and then squarely blame you for my action.
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Originally posted by: charrison
I sure hope our troops dont have ask who they are fighting before they can return fire....

They had to ask about support and got the answer: "As you know, you go to war with the Army you have. They?re not the Army you might want or wish to have at a later time."

So, save the croc tears.....

Rumfield's comments are true, even if you dont like it.

But if Iraq falls into an Al quada nest after the democrats force a retreat, at least we will know where the blame falls.

And exactly how big was al Qaeda's presence in Iraq before O.I.F. started?
 

UberNeuman

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Originally posted by: charrison
I sure hope our troops dont have ask who they are fighting before they can return fire....

They had to ask about support and got the answer: "As you know, you go to war with the Army you have. They?re not the Army you might want or wish to have at a later time."

So, save the croc tears.....

Rumfield's comments are true, even if you dont like it.

But if Iraq falls into an Al quada nest after the democrats force a retreat, at least we will know where the blame falls.

GWB?

Remind me to cut the legs out from under whatever you're doing, and then squarely blame you for my action.

Remind me to not trust our leaders and then be put into harms way under false pretenses....

 

TraumaRN

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I think for us to get American military personnel involved in a civil war inside Iraq would literally be a quagmire. Once we got to Baghdad, what would we do? Who would we put in power? What kind of government? Would it be a Sunni government, a Shia government, a Kurdish government? Would it be secular, along the lines of the Baath party, would it be fundamentalist Islamic? I do not think the United States wants to have U.S. military forces accept casualties and accept responsibility of trying to govern Iraq. I think it makes no sense at all."

Now only if a certain person in our government had followed his own advice...

Anyways the democrats might not be able to get this one passed. We'll see though. Depends on the language and how it's presented.





FYI: Quote is by our good friend Cheney
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Originally posted by: charrison
I sure hope our troops dont have ask who they are fighting before they can return fire....

They had to ask about support and got the answer: "As you know, you go to war with the Army you have. They?re not the Army you might want or wish to have at a later time."

So, save the croc tears.....

Rumfield's comments are true, even if you dont like it.

But if Iraq falls into an Al quada nest after the democrats force a retreat, at least we will know where the blame falls.

GWB?

Remind me to cut the legs out from under whatever you're doing, and then squarely blame you for my action.

Remind me to not trust our leaders and then be put into harms way under false pretenses....

So you?ll make it worse, just to rub it in our faces. The consequences of leaving it to Iran and their subordinate terrorist groups affect all of us and put us all ?into harms way under false pretenses?.

You may want to stick it to GWB all you want, but you?re sticking it to everyone by refusing to do the right thing and letting this country repair the mess that it made.
 

Moonbeam

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A moron started this war voted for by millions of other morons. The moron who started the war and all the millions who ate from his hand are responsible for this disaster. The building has been blown. All that remains is for the dust to settle.
 

theeedude

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Are they stupid? Keeping this war going till 2008 guarantees Democrat sweep on election night. Democrats should say they are against this war, and they strongly recommend Bush bring troops back, but then say that it's up to him as the President to fix this mess. They need to wash their hands of this debacle, let Republicans sink in it.
 

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Originally posted by: senseamp
Are they stupid? Keeping this war going till 2008 guarantees Democrat sweep on election night. Democrats should say they are against this war, and they strongly recommend Bush bring troops back, but then say that it's up to him as the President to fix this mess. They need to wash their hands of this debacle, let Republicans sink in it.
That would be politically convenient but not what's best for the country.

Obviously this Administration has proven itself so incompentent with foriegn policy that it can't be trusted with those powers.
 

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Originally posted by: senseamp
Are they stupid? Keeping this war going till 2008 guarantees Democrat sweep on election night. Democrats should say they are against this war, and they strongly recommend Bush bring troops back, but then say that it's up to him as the President to fix this mess. They need to wash their hands of this debacle, let Republicans sink in it.

So apparently you really don't care about Iraq except in the sense that it might get Democrats elected. What a political hack.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Originally posted by: charrison
I sure hope our troops dont have ask who they are fighting before they can return fire....

They had to ask about support and got the answer: "As you know, you go to war with the Army you have. They?re not the Army you might want or wish to have at a later time."

So, save the croc tears.....

Rumfield's comments are true, even if you dont like it.

But if Iraq falls into an Al quada nest after the democrats force a retreat, at least we will know where the blame falls.

And exactly how big was al Qaeda's presence in Iraq before O.I.F. started?

It was not non-existant. Iraq at the very least did provide safe harbor to terrorist. However the real question is what is Al qaeda'a presence in Iraq going to be if we up and leave before their goverment is able is able to take care of itself.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Originally posted by: charrison
I sure hope our troops dont have ask who they are fighting before they can return fire....

They had to ask about support and got the answer: "As you know, you go to war with the Army you have. They?re not the Army you might want or wish to have at a later time."

So, save the croc tears.....

Rumfield's comments are true, even if you dont like it.

But if Iraq falls into an Al quada nest after the democrats force a retreat, at least we will know where the blame falls.

And exactly how big was al Qaeda's presence in Iraq before O.I.F. started?

It was not non-existant. Iraq at the very least did provide safe harbor to terrorist. However the real question is what is Al qaeda'a presence in Iraq going to be if we up and leave before their goverment is able is able to take care of itself.
They'll have their hands full fighting the Shia, an avowed enemy of Al Qaeda.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Originally posted by: charrison
I sure hope our troops dont have ask who they are fighting before they can return fire....

They had to ask about support and got the answer: "As you know, you go to war with the Army you have. They?re not the Army you might want or wish to have at a later time."

So, save the croc tears.....

Rumfield's comments are true, even if you dont like it.

But if Iraq falls into an Al quada nest after the democrats force a retreat, at least we will know where the blame falls.

And exactly how big was al Qaeda's presence in Iraq before O.I.F. started?

It was not non-existant. Iraq at the very least did provide safe harbor to terrorist. However the real question is what is Al qaeda'a presence in Iraq going to be if we up and leave before their goverment is able is able to take care of itself.
They'll have their hands full fighting the Shia, an avowed enemy of Al Qaeda.

And there is lies the problem of this resolution. Who ever is fighting with Al qaeda, we need to be providing support to. Unless of course you want Bin Ladin and company to be right about the US being a paper tiger and unable to fight a war of attrition.