Democrats plan to prevent ?campus based digital theft?

[heartsurgeon]

HAHA this is a hoot...
The Dems are gonna put the hammer down on college kids for file-sharing....
finally a bill I can agree on!

Sen. Harry Reid of Nevada announced his plan to prevent ?campus based digital theft? through a series of requirements that he is expected to try to attach to the reauthorization of the Higher Education Act, when the Senate takes up that legislation, most likely in the next day or so.

the entertainment industry is lobbying for the amendment ? and arguing that colleges need more of a prod from the government on the issue. Mitch Bainwol, chairman and CEO of the Recording Industry Association of America, on Friday sent a letter to Senator Reid praising his proposal.

In his letter, Bainwol said that more than half of college students engage in illegal file sharing or downloading. While he acknowledged ?some progress? by colleges in recent years, he said that ?much more can be done.? Bainwol noted that many campus networks are created with taxpayer funds and are intended for ?academic and research purposes,? but end up, he said, giving students ?a means to steal.?

The letter repeatedly made the case that colleges are directly responsible for the problem, which the letter maintained is hurting the economy. Wrote Bainwol: ?Colleges have provided an ideal environment for online theft to thrive, producing a generation of citizens lacking an appreciation for the true value of copyrighted works.?

Here Here!!

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[Hayabusa Rider]

Well there ya go.

 

[DangerAardvark]

Someone tell me how I should feel about this.
Currently feeling: ambivalent.

 

[Wreckem]

Id like to know what colleges still allow this rampant downloading to go on. It costs the Universities tons of money. My Uni's network is pretty locked down to where even some legitimate services are blocked.

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: Wreckem
Id like to know what colleges still allow this rampant downloading to go on. It costs the Universities tons of money. My Uni's network is pretty locked down to where even some legitimate services are blocked.

Most of the major universities are hooked up to Internet 2 already for research, so the students doing P2P isn't costing them a dime because they're already paying for the massive bandwidth.

 

[IGBT]

..no surprise. The "progressives" are water carriers for the hollywood idiots. It's do as I say time. You's liberals will have to start paying for your porn.

 

[Moonbeam]

More corporate America buying off the political parties. I can't wait for the RIAA to die by their own greedy hand.

 

[heartsurgeon]

The "progressives" are water carriers for the hollywood idiots. It's do as I say time. You's liberals will have to start paying for your porn.

It's all driven by money..

the politician's score ridiculous sums of money at their Hollywood fund raisers...
the Hollywood types get massive "free" publicity to keep their name/brand in the press...
they are using each other for their own gain.

the college students types hardly vote, and they certainly don't contribute money to the Pols, hence they make excellent targets.

I can see it now...FBI purchases Limewire...insert Trojan...ever single illegal download identified...felony convictions.....most barred from voting by criminal record (at least for several years, some permanently)..


You go Hairy Reed!!

 

[smack Down]

I think the senator is confused. ?Colleges have provided an ideal environment for online theft to thrive, producing a generation of citizens lacking an appreciation for the true value of copyrighted works.? College students know the true value of copyrighted work is zero. It is only the law that places artificial restrictions on what other people can do that creates the illusion of value. He should be whining about the lack of respect for those laws, but when he knows that will not work because those laws where bought and paid for copyright industry.

 

[Lemon law]

No---we have a little smoke and mirror law problem we have to fix first.

The basis of our copyright laws is and always has been-----only the original author can TAKE COMMERCIAL ADVANTAGE.

I as a person am free to copy any patented idea I care to---but the second I then resell to someone else that something else that is patented---then I violate the law. In other words, I can't use it for commercial gain---or mass distribute a copyrighted work-----and since most people can't freely do it your self copy the patented idea---we have to buy from the patient holder or someone licensed by the patient holder.

But now the technology to copy music is cheap and freely available---and the law makers really don't know how to address the question. But they are still going to have to wrestle with a lot of legal questions before they can fix anything----personally---I don't download music--
but I find it very very hard to side with the RIAA.

 

[mfs378]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon

The "progressives" are water carriers for the hollywood idiots. It's do as I say time. You's liberals will have to start paying for your porn.

It's all driven by money..

the politician's score ridiculous sums of money at their Hollywood fund raisers...
the Hollywood types get massive "free" publicity to keep their name/brand in the press...
they are using each other for their own gain.

the college students types hardly vote, and they certainly don't contribute money to the Pols, hence they make excellent targets.

I can see it now...FBI purchases Limewire...insert Trojan...ever single illegal download identified...felony convictions.....most barred from voting by criminal record (at least for several years, some permanently)..


You go Hairy Reed!!

Copyright infringement is a civil matter, that is why people who get caught get sued by the industry, they don't get prosecuted by the government. So nothing goes on criminal record; sorry to disappoint you.

Also, its "hear hear."

 

[heartsurgeon]

Copyright infringement is a civil matter

well, we don't know what Hairy Reed is up to....I'm hopeful he might craft a bill that monetizes "digital theft", and if a threshold is exceeded, it becomes a criminal offense...

here, here I say!! You go Sen. Hairy Reed. First Dimocrat action in a long time I am in favor of...I may have to switch parties!!

 

[2Xtreme21]

Now the Republicans should run on the platform of "free file sharing for everyone" to get the college vote.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
HAHA this is a hoot...
The Dems are gonna put the hammer down on college kids for file-sharing....
finally a bill I can agree on!

That explains a lot. Nice to learn that a petty, petty music and video thief like heart(less)surgeon supports the bigger Bushwhacko crooks. :thumbsdown: :frown: :thumbsdown:

< update >

I apologized for the above post, later in this thread, because I misread heartsurgeon's post. I left the original post in place because other replies refer to it. In no way does this change my opposition to file illegal sharing of protected intellectual property, including music and video material.

Harvey

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
HAHA this is a hoot...
The Dems are gonna put the hammer down on college kids for file-sharing....
finally a bill I can agree on!

That explains a lot. Nice to learn that a petty, petty music and video thief like heart(less)surgeon supports the bigger Bushwhacko crooks. :thumbsdown: :frown: :thumbsdown:

You know that Harry Reid is a democrat, right?

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
You know that Harry Reid is a democrat, right?

You know heart(less)surgeon isn't, right?

You know I have two patents and several copyrights, and I don't support piracy of intellectual property by anyone, right? :roll:

You know that paragraph 8 of Article 1, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution provides for protection of intellectual property, right?

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

You know I don't give a flying fsck at a rolling doughnut about petty arguments from anyone of any political affiliation that "the big record companies" or "the RIAA" or anyone else is unfair in the distribution of income from intellectual property, right? Nothing they do gives anyone else the right to rip off the creators of intellectual property further.

If you think there's a problem, fix the system. If you advocate stealing other people's intellectual property, talk to us again when you have some of your own. Better yet, talk to us after you've been ripped off for it. I have.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: Wreckem
Id like to know what colleges still allow this rampant downloading to go on. It costs the Universities tons of money. My Uni's network is pretty locked down to where even some legitimate services are blocked.

Its pretty annoying, since they sometimes block the WoW port on my campus during the evenings.

Ow ya, file sharing copyright material is bad. Don't do it.

 

[miketheidiot]

how can you own an idea?

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
You know that Harry Reid is a democrat, right?

You know heart(less)surgeon isn't, right?

You know I have two patents and several copyrights, and I don't support piracy of intellectual property by anyone, right? :roll:

You know that paragraph 8 of Article 1, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution provides for protection of intellectual property, right?

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

You know I don't give a flying fsck at a rolling doughnut about petty arguments from anyone of any political affiliation that "the big record companies" or "the RIAA" or anyone else is unfair in the distribution of income from intellectual property, right? Nothing they do gives anyone else the right to rip off the creators of intellectual property further.

If you think there's a problem, fix the system. If you advocate stealing other people's intellectual property, talk to us again when you have some of your own. Better yet, talk to us after you've been ripped off for it. I have.

But Harvey....limited has become forever.

 

[Starbuck1975]

The RIAA and MPAA are fighting a losing battle, and this thread only further illustrates that Democrats also serve corporate interests...Hollywood is a bastion of Democrat fundraising after all.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
The RIAA and MPAA are fighting a losing battle, and this thread only further illustrates that Democrats also serve corporate interests...Hollywood is a bastion of Democrat fundraising after all.

If we don't act against piracy, we'll end up like China. You can go into any store over there and purcahse bootlegged copies of games/music/OSes for a dollar.

 

[Starbuck1975]

If we don't act against piracy, we'll end up like China. You can go into any store over there and purcahse bootlegged copies of games/music/OSes for a dollar.

True, but bootlegged copies are never of the same quality found at retail outlets.

What is the argument against piracy? That bootleggers and illegal downloads are robbing artists of earning revenues from their work? Hate to brake it to you, but the RIAA and MPAA, and the industries that serve them, have been robbing artists for decades.

Look at ticket prices for concerts...the cost of merchandise...the cost of CDs and DVDs...the cost of movie tickets...the cost of PC games...pricing was a problem long before the age of the internet..."artists", or rather the companies they sign to, have been scewing over fans and consumers for a very long time.

I don't particularly support piracy, but I have no love for the entertainment industry and its heavy handed tactics either...look at what Apple did with the iPod...there is a business model that is compatible with the digital age, but the entertainment industry is afraid to deviate from the tried and true model of maximizing their profits.

 

[palehorse]

The letter repeatedly made the case that colleges are directly responsible for the problem, which the letter maintained is hurting the economy.

Both the RIAA and MPAA are still turning out record profits every quarter, and I've never heard or seen evidence that the p2p's are hurting the overall economy.

that's simply ridiculous.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
The RIAA and MPAA are fighting a losing battle, and this thread only further illustrates that Democrats also serve corporate interests...Hollywood is a bastion of Democrat fundraising after all.

Utter and absolute BULLSHIT!

Do you think your favorite artists should flip burgers all day, just to come home and create music in their garages all night, just to entertain you? :shocked:

Clue -- Any artist who's good enough to create a consistant portfolio of creative work that can compete in thef marketplace for music or any other artform has to work at it. If some part of their artform doesn't pay the rent, they have to get a job to so they can afford rent, food and the rest of their own survival habits. Without them, they stop arting in a hurry.

I'll put it as plainly as I can... If you support P2P sharing of copyrighted material without compensating those who create it, YOU ARE A THIEF! :thumbsdown: :| :thumbsdown:

 

[heartsurgeon]

You know heart(less)surgeon isn't, right?

I sense you are conflicted!!!

You state I am wrong, but them you basically agree with me (and Hairy Reed)....

I know you want to always to disagree with me, but it seems like we have "come together" on this one issue....

what exactly am I wrong about in this post (or was that just an off-topic comment about me in general?)..