Democrats getting a Boehner about Netanyahu

[BoberFett]

Those damn Republicans and their ridiculous attempts to impeach Democrats, right?

Uh oh, who's got their panties in a knot now?

http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/impeach-and-prosecute-1.fb48?source=c.fb&r_by=12614228

Impeach and prosecute John Boehner

By his inviting a foreign leader to address Congress, John Boehner deliberately dealt in foreign policy and thus violated the "Logan Act", thus usurping the powers of the presidency of the United States.

There are currently 22,094 signatures.

I mean, it's not like a Democrat congressperson has ever ignored the White House and met with foreign leaders... oh wait...

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/17920536/.../t/pelosi-shrugs-bushs-criticism-meets-assad/

I'm sure the Democrats are at this very minute starting a petition to have Pelosi prosecuted!

 

[rudder]

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/17920536/.../t/pelosi-shrugs-bushs-criticism-meets-assad/

I wonder if nancy cried after meeting assad.

 

[chucky2]

I agree it's ridiculous, however, Congress really had no business doing this IMO. We have an Executive for a reason, that branch should be handling stuff like this not Congress. One has to hope maybe there was some behind the scenes plan to give Kerry some kind of additional leverage (Look at how our Congress is behaving, lets get something worked out here before politically we can't), but given the entity that is Politician, I don't have any confidence in that view...

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Who gives a crap about a random Internet petition on moveon.org of all places?

 

[Cozarkian]

Who gives a crap about a random Internet petition on moveon.org of all places?

Apparently over 22,000 people.

 

[BoberFett]

Who gives a crap about a random Internet petition on moveon.org of all places?

I don't know Don. Why do the Democrats in this forum post thread after thread after thread any time some random Republican farts in public?

Oh look, here's a thread about a bunch of random nobodys on the internet posting about Rand Paul, I guess Democrats give a crap about random internet people:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2423355

 

[K1052]

I don't know Don. Why do the Democrats in this forum post thread after thread after thread any time some random Republican farts in public?

Because they usually hold some sort of elected office and as such are tasked with creating/implementing/overseeing policy at some governmental level?

An online petition is in charge of...nothing.

 

[fskimospy]

I don't know Don. Why do the Democrats in this forum post thread after thread after thread any time some random Republican farts in public?

Oh look, here's a thread about a bunch of random nobodys on the internet posting about Rand Paul, I guess Democrats give a crap about random internet people:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2423355

You're equating the National Review with an online petition? You're comparing an article in the magazine founded by William F. Buckley with a petition that has as many signatures as one that's trying to make sure the terrible actor playing Spider Man stays the same?

https://www.change.org/p/keep-andre...n-don-t-replace-andrew-garfield-as-spider-man

Wow.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

You're equating the National Review with an online petition? You're comparing an article in the magazine founded by William F. Buckley with a petition that has as many signatures as one that's trying to make sure the terrible actor playing Spider Man stays the same?

https://www.change.org/p/keep-andre...n-don-t-replace-andrew-garfield-as-spider-man

Wow.

Exactly. I am just bewildered by people who deliberately start stupid threads, then attempt to justify them by saying, "hey - your political party starts stupid threads too!" This place really is a cesspool much of the time . . .

 

[BurnItDwn]

This is stupid and baseless. Boehner is incompetent, but what he has done is not illegal or impeachable.

 

[nickqt]

Those damn Republicans and their ridiculous attempts to impeach Democrats, right?

Uh oh, who's got their panties in a knot now?

http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/impeach-and-prosecute-1.fb48?source=c.fb&r_by=12614228





I mean, it's not like a Democrat congressperson has ever ignored the White House and met with foreign leaders... oh wait...

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/17920536/.../t/pelosi-shrugs-bushs-criticism-meets-assad/

I'm sure the Democrats are at this very minute starting a petition to have Pelosi prosecuted!

LOL Republicans.

Yelling, cursing, screaming, inanity.

Talking to a foreign leader is the same thing as inviting a foreign leader to speak to Congress to tell them not to negotiate with another country, while the President is currently negotiating with that country.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Apparently over 22,000 people.

Out of 319 million. Wow!

 

[Fern]

I agree it's ridiculous, however, Congress really had no business doing this IMO.
-snip-

I'm pretty sure Congress does. The Iran matter is also about sanctions. Sanctions are usually placed on other countries as a result of legislation from Congress. But it seems there are so damn many sanctions currently on Iran I find it a bit difficult, or perhaps I should just say I'm unwilling to wade through them all, to confirm what role Congress actually has in rolling them back.

Here's a link to a huge paper from the CRS on Iranian sanctions. I'm just linking it in case anybody wants to look at the list of sanctions: http://fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RS20871.pdf

But this fuss is ridiculous. Congress wasn't "negotiating" with any foreign country. Heck, they weren't even meeting with Iran. They were receiving info from the PM of an ally. Nothing wrong with that.

Any complaint about the timing is also BS. Netanyahu didn't set negotiation deadline, Obama did. Netanyahu was forced by Obama's deadline to come here now even though Israeli elections are near.

The Logan Act doesn't fit, but if it did it wouldn't apply to members of Congress anyway:

The clear intent of this provision [Logan Act] is to prohibit unauthorized persons from intervening in disputes between the United States and foreign governments. Nothing in section 953 [Logan Act], however, would appear to restrict members of the Congress from engaging in discussions with foreign officials in pursuance of their legislative duties under the Constitution. In the case of Senators McGovern and Sparkman the executive branch, although it did not in any way encourage the Senators to go to Cuba , was fully informed of the nature and purpose of their visit, and had validated their passports for travel to that country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act

Aside from that, I don't see how they could impeach just Boehner. If there was a problem I think everyone who showed up would be guilty.

Anyway, yeah the whole thing's dumb. What's cool is that they managed to hit 'dumb' on so many levels simultaneously.

Fern

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm pretty sure Congress does. The Iran matter is also about sanctions. Sanctions are usually placed on other countries as a result of legislation from Congress. But it seems there are so damn many sanctions currently on Iran I find it a bit difficult, or perhaps I should just say I'm unwilling to wade through them all, to confirm what role Congress actually has in rolling them back.

Here's a link to a huge paper from the CRS on Iranian sanctions. I'm just linking it in case anybody wants to look at the list of sanctions: http://fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RS20871.pdf

But this fuss is ridiculous. Congress wasn't "negotiating" with any foreign country. Heck, they weren't even meeting with Iran. They were receiving info from the PM of an ally. Nothing wrong with that.

Any complaint about the timing is also BS. Netanyahu didn't set negotiation deadline, Obama did. Netanyahu was forced by Obama's deadline to come here now even though Israeli elections are near.

The Logan Act doesn't fit, but if it did it wouldn't apply to members of Congress anyway:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act

Aside from that, I don't see how they could impeach just Boehner. If there was a problem I think everyone who showed up would be guilty.

Anyway, yeah the whole thing's dumb. What's cool is that they managed to hit 'dumb' on so many levels simultaneously.

Fern

You seem to have all the right wing talking points & links all lined up in advance. Can I get on that mailing list?

Boehner's invitation to Netanyahu is utterly unprecedented & a clear violation of the normal protocols of diplomacy. It's usurpation of the power of the Executive & the State Dept who have constitutional authority in that realm.

Given that this thread exists at all, it must be a slow day for outrage on the right fringe.

As eskimospy points out, I could probably collect as many online signatures for a petition to make the anniversary of the baked potato into a national holiday.

Perspective- get some.

 

[MongGrel]

Out of 319 million. Wow!

yeah, kinda was one of my thoughts.

 

[Fern]

You seem to have all the right wing talking points & links all lined up in advance. Can I get on that mailing list?

No, as always I do all the work myself. I hadn't heard of the Logan Act, so got busy with google. You might try it sometimes.

Boehner's invitation to Netanyahu is utterly unprecedented & a clear violation of the normal protocols of diplomacy.

According to who? Left wing talking points?

It's usurpation of the power of the Executive & the State Dept who have constitutional authority in that realm.

Bwuhaha.

Fern

 

[Jhhnn]

No, as always I do all the work myself. I hadn't heard of the Logan Act, so got busy with google. You might try it sometimes.



According to who? Left wing talking points?



Bwuhaha.

Fern

Yad, yada, yada. Name a time in the past that a foreign leader spoke in front of congress w/o an invitation from the state dept to be in the country at all.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...anyahus-address-to-congress-unconstitutional/

 

[Bitek]

You're equating the National Review with an online petition? You're comparing an article in the magazine founded by William F. Buckley with a petition that has as many signatures as one that's trying to make sure the terrible actor playing Spider Man stays the same?

https://www.change.org/p/keep-andre...n-don-t-replace-andrew-garfield-as-spider-man

Wow.

Not to mention similar commentary was made in other publications, and Paul had felt some need to issue press releases reaffirming his glowing, overwhelming love of Bibi.

Sen. Rand Paul Stands with Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu

Mar 3, 2015
WASHINGTON, D.C. – Sen. Rand Paul today issued the following statement in response to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s Joint Meeting of Congress:

"Israel is and has always been America’s friend and ally. I was pleased to hear Prime Minister Netanyahu's speech to Congress today, and join him in calling for peace and standing together for our mutual interests. It is important to work together to prevent a nuclear Iran, and the spread of Radical Islam," said Sen. Paul.

http://www.businessinsider.com/rand-paul-bashes-gossipy-netanyahu-clap-2015-3

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/03/04/a-thorough-analysis-of-rand-pauls-support-for-netanyahu-as-measured-in-clapping/

Paul felt the need to address the issue on fox.

Why is the issue of clapping even a thing? Because there is real skepticism of Paul on the issue of Israel.
You've got an isolationist who's called support to Israel "welfare," and not to mention you've got Sheldon Adelson dropping bags of money on the GOP race so all the other clowns are positioning themselves as the most pro Israel to gain favor.


So yes. The race to be the most pro-Israel is going to be an issue in the looming GOP primary circus.

If OP doesn't understand what is going on his party that's his problem. Trying to equate some dumb moveon internet poll is just a lame attempt at false equivalence.

 

[chucky2]

I'm pretty sure Congress does. The Iran matter is also about sanctions. Sanctions are usually placed on other countries as a result of legislation from Congress. But it seems there are so damn many sanctions currently on Iran I find it a bit difficult, or perhaps I should just say I'm unwilling to wade through them all, to confirm what role Congress actually has in rolling them back.

Here's a link to a huge paper from the CRS on Iranian sanctions. I'm just linking it in case anybody wants to look at the list of sanctions: http://fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RS20871.pdf

But this fuss is ridiculous. Congress wasn't "negotiating" with any foreign country. Heck, they weren't even meeting with Iran. They were receiving info from the PM of an ally. Nothing wrong with that.

Any complaint about the timing is also BS. Netanyahu didn't set negotiation deadline, Obama did. Netanyahu was forced by Obama's deadline to come here now even though Israeli elections are near.

The Logan Act doesn't fit, but if it did it wouldn't apply to members of Congress anyway:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act

Aside from that, I don't see how they could impeach just Boehner. If there was a problem I think everyone who showed up would be guilty.

Anyway, yeah the whole thing's dumb. What's cool is that they managed to hit 'dumb' on so many levels simultaneously.

Fern

I don't mean it's illegal that they did it, obviously it's not, I'm saying it's improper. And to do it at a time when we're negotiating with Iran it's even more improper. They had no business doing this, especially in this manner. What they could have been doing is something actually worthwhile, like, figuring out how to stop millions of illegal invaders that the country doesn't need from streaming on in. Check that, they've got the system they want in place...

 

[finglobes]

Makes sense. Obama goes around a united, bipartisan congress (on Iran issue) to break sanctions and help Iran with its bomb (and its obvious Obama wants Iran to have a bomb). Obama cuts Israel out of the loop. Dozens of Obama hacks go to Israel to help Bibi lose election - and the ninnies at MoveOn are upset about some parliamentary courtesy due a party who broke the filibuster. Spectacular.

 

[umbrella39]

Posting in a "I'm not a republican" thread...

 

[davmat787]

Exactly. I am just bewildered by people who deliberately start stupid threads, then attempt to justify them by saying, "hey - your political party starts stupid threads too!" This place really is a cesspool much of the time . . .

Even more bewildering are the comments from the bewildered in the very same threads that are the source of their bewilderment!

 

[BoberFett]

Posting in a "I'm not a republican" thread...

Oh I'm definitely not a Republican. But for as ignorant, bigoted, and intolerant as Republicans are, something about Democrats just rubs me the wrong way. And it's really just the Democrats here. My girlfriend is a liberal Democrat and she and I get along just fine.

The Democrats that post in this forum are just such a horrible bunch of miscreants, at this point I think the intense hatred I feel for shitstains like ivwshane is the only thing that keeps me coming back. This forum is nothing more than a curiosity for me.

Believe it or not, I'm actually an extremely friendly, affable, easy-going guy in real life. But something about you and the other Democrats in this forum make me wish I could push the big red button in oval office and nuke the world 10x over.

Maybe if I can figure out why I despise you so, I can grow as a person. So carry on, assholes, you're doing me a favor.

 

[boomerang]

The irony surrounding this is that with rumblings of ousting Boehner in the Republican camp due to his capitulation on all things held near and dear by Democrats, Dems are now pledging their support for Boehner stating they won't let him be removed from his Speaker position. Strange bedfellows.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Who is Mr Nuvolari? Why, he is someone that represents ALL of democrats and liberals from every single far corner of the Earth - past, present and future, of course.

But, when an official member of the GOP says and does something stupid; Oh! THAT GOPer?! PPpppffftt!! It's just someone no one pays no attention to!! You LULbirals need to stop reaching so far into the bottom of the barrel. And yet this reply is applied to every single stupid thing done by a GOPer - on an almost daily basis.

There sure are quite a few single stupid people no one listens to in the GOP,...