Democrats block their own debt bill. Preventing a solution to our problem.

[ProfJohn]

Here is Harry Reid on the Senate floor blocking his own bill!

I guess this means that the Democrats are blocking a solution to our problem since we have been told over and over that if the GOP blocked (filibuster) the bill that is what they would be doing...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sIDF9yDTi1Q

The reason behind Reid preventing a vote on his own bill. He was hoping that his bill would be voted on in the house and if it passed the house it would put pressure on the Senate Republicans to allow it to pass the Senate.

Now it seems that the house is going to vote the bill down in order to speed up the process and get us to a point where they can again try a compromise.

 

[ProfJohn]

BTW Reid had no problem at all holding a vote on the House plan in less than two hours.

But for his plan he is requiring the 24 hour holding period...


I am sure this has nothing to do with politics...

 

[MovingTarget]

BTW Reid had no problem at all holding a vote on the House plan in less than two hours.

But for his plan he is requiring the 24 hour holding period...


I am sure this has nothing to do with politics...

It has everything to do with politics, but that doesn't mean that his decision isn't the correct one. The House should never have sent that pile to the Senate in the first place. Boehner knew better, but wanted to score political points knowing damn well that it had a snowball's chance in hell of getting by the Senate, much less the President's desk. I cannot speak to Reid putting a hold on his own bill though. Besides, isn't such legislation supposed to be voted on by the House first before the Senate as it is supposed to originate there?

 

[cubby1223]

Here is the way I see this:

The two plans are close enough, do roughly the same things. The primary difference is, which party name gets credit for saving the country.

Hence, our country will go to hell! Thanks .gov!

 

[PeshakJang]

Democrats holding America hostage, nothing new.

 

[cubby1223]

It has everything to do with politics, but that doesn't mean that his decision isn't the correct one. The House should never have sent that pile to the Senate in the first place. Boehner knew better, but wanted to score political points knowing damn well that it had a snowball's chance in hell of getting by the Senate, much less the President's desk. I cannot speak to Reid putting a hold on his own bill though. Besides, isn't such legislation supposed to be voted on by the House first before the Senate as it is supposed to originate there?

Then let the bill come up for a vote in the Senate and reject it that way, instead of just tabling it. If the bill truly is that big of a pile of shit, wouldn't you want every Democratic senator on record opposing it, with every Republican senator on record in favor of it? Isn't that what will score you the most political points come election season? So why isn't that happening?

 

[MovingTarget]

Then let the bill come up for a vote in the Senate and reject it that way, instead of not even allowing the Senate to vote on it. If the bill truly is that big of a pile of shit, wouldn't you want every Democratic senator on record opposing it, with every Republican senator on record in favor of it? Isn't that what will score you the most political points come election season? So why isn't that happening?

That isn't quite how the Senate works. Having the Senate vote on every piece of legislation the house sends it in the manner you describe is asinine. If the bill is that bad, it should die in committee so that it doesn't waste everyone else's time. Besides, at least the Senate allowed the bill to get there from the House. House Republicans have scheduled a symbolic vote this afternoon to preemptively reject Reid's bill, which has yet to even make it out of the Senate.

 

[cubby1223]

My guess is that Reid is delaying the vote for as long as possible, leaving not enough time left to negotiate a compromise bill between the House and Senate, try to use political muscle to have the House cave to his demands.

It's all partisan politics where the public loses in every scenario.

 

[Whiskey16]

How many threads are needed for the same topic?

...One for every partisan snippet of news that a member wishes to splash upon the forum? A thread to run away from an existing thread where one feels their viewpoint to have already been smashed and in a deranged sense feeling it best to start anew?

 

[ProfJohn]

It has everything to do with politics, but that doesn't mean that his decision isn't the correct one. The House should never have sent that pile to the Senate in the first place. Boehner knew better, but wanted to score political points knowing damn well that it had a snowball's chance in hell of getting by the Senate, much less the President's desk

And the Democrats can't pass a bill that can get through the house so they are equally complicit.

Don't pretend that the Republicans are bad because they can't pass a bill that everyone lines when the Democrats can't do the same.

I cannot speak to Reid putting a hold on his own bill though. Besides, isn't such legislation supposed to be voted on by the House first before the Senate as it is supposed to originate there?

Only tax bills must start in the house. Otherwise the Senate can vote on its own bills first.

Also, the 24 hour rule has been ignored many times this year and Reid is only doing this for political reasons. That is why the house is going to vote his bill down in order to force them to the next step.

 

[Infohawk]

How many threads are needed for the same topic?

I've asked it before and I've asked it again, how do you have such a strong opinion about what is right for this forum after only 48 posts? Did you go by another account name before?

 

[ProfJohn]

Found the White House plan:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/search/site/%22debt ceiling plan"

 

[Engineer]

Now it seems that the house is going to vote the bill down in order to speed up the process and get us to a point where they can again try a compromise.

Of course they are going to vote it down. They placed it on a suspension vote therefore requiring 2/3 majority vote knowing no way in hell was it ever going to get anywhere near that (not that it would have got 50% anyway).

All just a big waste of time.

I'm at the point that I'm so tired of the mess that I say let it go ahead and default and let it work it's way out. The US stock market lost enough market value this week alone to fund 1/2 of the deficit alone. Real wealth going down the tubes...or maybe that was the plan, drive the market down, wait until last minute while positioning yourself into the market at lower levels, and then pass....**boom**...instant rally? :hmm:

 

[Jhhnn]

Here is Harry Reid on the Senate floor blocking his own bill!

I guess this means that the Democrats are blocking a solution to our problem since we have been told over and over that if the GOP blocked (filibuster) the bill that is what they would be doing...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sIDF9yDTi1Q

The reason behind Reid preventing a vote on his own bill. He was hoping that his bill would be voted on in the house and if it passed the house it would put pressure on the Senate Republicans to allow it to pass the Senate.

Now it seems that the house is going to vote the bill down in order to speed up the process and get us to a point where they can again try a compromise.

Timing is everything. Negotiations are over. In Reid's place, I wouldn't vote on the Senate proposal until Monday. If McConnell can hold his caucus to a filibuster, then default is on them. If not, it goes to the HOR Repubs, who can pass it or not, default being on them if it comes to that.

Put the gun to their heads, wrap their fingers around the trigger, dare 'em to shoot. Listen to 'em squeal the whole time. If they had the nuts to force default, they wouldn't be squealing.

Repubs have already won major concessions. If that's not good enough to satisfy the raving tea party segment of their base, too bad for them. There are consequences to pandering to extremists.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Repubs have already won major concessions. If that's not good enough to satisfy the raving tea party segment of their base, too bad for them. There are consequences to pandering to extremists.

I don't mind if the captain wants to go down with the ship at all I just don't like one sinking it with the passengers chained below. Attaching the balanced budget amendment? Asinine.

In another forum dominated by the far right there was much rejoicing that the BBA was included. I said I hoped it will be worth it for them when the Reps become the party of "Who's that?" because we'll become a one party government for practical purposes since there will the largest shift in political control in memory to the Dems. While that may please some, especially those willing to burn the nation to the ground to get it, having one party in power is usually disastrous.

This whole thing is ridiculous.

 

[Jhhnn]

While that may please some, especially those willing to burn the nation to the ground to get it, having one party in power is usually disastrous.

Well, that's definitely true when Repubs are running things, as during the Bush years. I'm an old guy, and I don't recall there being any similar disaster when Dems ran the show, despite the irrational hatred for Carter expressed by Righties in general.

 

[KK]

Democrats holding America hostage, nothing new.

No kidding. Why do democrats hate america so much that they want to bankrupt it? If they don't like it here they should move out.

 

[ProfJohn]

Senate bill has been voted down by the house.

So the Democrats still have not presented a plan that can pass EITHER house.

 

[Engineer]

Senate bill has been voted down by the house.

So the Democrats still have not presented a plan that can pass EITHER house.

The bill has not been vote tested in the Senate so not sure if that's an accurate statement. Regardless, it's moot as it won't pass the house and the teabagger party.

Lots of people wanted gridlock....well, you got it. Enjoy.

 

[Rainsford]

Senate bill has been voted down by the house.

So the Democrats still have not presented a plan that can pass EITHER house.

It looks to me like NOBODY has presented a plan that can pass, nobody has presented a reasonable solution that works for everyone. And to be honest, I'm not sure anyone wants to. As far as I can tell, the #1 goal is to play up this problem to be as big as possible, and to make sure the other side gets all the blame.

 

[Craig234]

Well, that's definitely true when Repubs are running things, as during the Bush years. I'm an old guy, and I don't recall there being any similar disaster when Dems ran the show, despite the irrational hatred for Carter expressed by Righties in general.

Hayabus is just nuts talking about the Democrats being 'willing to burn the country to the ground for power'.

The Democrats just wanted a clean bill. It's the REPUBLICANS who refused to vote for that, holding the economy hostage, and are destroying the economy for 2012 to hurt Obama.

 

[Craig234]

It looks to me like NOBODY has presented a plan that can pass, nobody has presented a reasonable solution that works for everyone. And to be honest, I'm not sure anyone wants to. As far as I can tell, the #1 goal is to play up this problem to be as big as possible, and to make sure the other side gets all the blame.

The Democrats put up a clean bill to begin with. What was wrong with that?

What bill can they put up 'that can pass', that's not a disaster?

 

[cubby1223]

Repubs have already won major concessions.

Are you joking?!!!!

Republicans want spending cuts. There are no substantial spending cuts in these bills. Only committees formed to try to cut spending. My prediction, spending will NOT be cut in any way that comes even remotely close to the numbers specified in either of these bills.

What is it, Reid's bill is including the savings from the wars in Iraq & Afghanistan as spending cuts in his plan. WOW! I'm so impressed by his leadership!

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The Democrats put up a clean bill to begin with. What was wrong with that?

What bill can they put up 'that can pass', that's not a disaster?

Define "clean bill".

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Hayabus is just nuts talking about the Democrats being 'willing to burn the country to the ground for power'.

I was referring to those who are looking at this as an opportunity to gain control whatever the costs. I can name names of members here, but that's not supposed to be done.