Democrats are spineless and weak

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Shivetya
http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/Davi...ms_can_cut_and_run,_but_they_cant_hide

So basically when push comes to shove they backed down? They won't do jack to stop Bush from going after Iran should he decide too?

Why do they think they have the majority? DUH! People are tired of this damn war and the possible escalation and now they have backed down? Demoweenies.

Oh gee, a website for your younger brother hero of Rush, David Limbaugh, I'm so surprised. :roll: :cookie:
 

imported_Shivetya

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Shivetya
http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/Davi...ms_can_cut_and_run,_but_they_cant_hide

So basically when push comes to shove they backed down? They won't do jack to stop Bush from going after Iran should he decide too?

Why do they think they have the majority? DUH! People are tired of this damn war and the possible escalation and now they have backed down? Demoweenies.

Oh gee, a website for your younger brother hero of Rush, David Limbaugh, I'm so surprised. :roll: :cookie:


were you born a loser?

Here, try this website on for size,

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6476715,00.html

or this one

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/03/13/ap3510002.html


There, I provided more real sources than you EVER do.

All say the same thing, damn spineless Demoweenies backed down. Apparently they were worried about how it would be viewed. Wimps. If they don't put the brakes on then Bush will go to Iran next.

Put them in power and they become the same old thing they replaced. Do nothing congress.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Shivetya
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Shivetya
http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/Davi...ms_can_cut_and_run,_but_they_cant_hide

So basically when push comes to shove they backed down? They won't do jack to stop Bush from going after Iran should he decide too?

Why do they think they have the majority? DUH! People are tired of this damn war and the possible escalation and now they have backed down? Demoweenies.

Oh gee, a website for your younger brother hero of Rush, David Limbaugh, I'm so surprised. :roll: :cookie:

were you born a loser?

Here, try this website on for size,

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6476715,00.html

or this one

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/03/13/ap3510002.html

There, I provided more real sources than you EVER do.

All say the same thing, damn spineless Demoweenies backed down. Apparently they were worried about how it would be viewed. Wimps. If they don't put the brakes on then Bush will go to Iran next.

Put them in power and they become the same old thing they replaced. Do nothing congress.
In the eyes of Republicans like you, yes.

I was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth like you and your ilk.
 

Genx87

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I think them cutting and running from their own debate because they are scared of a cable news channel is proof enough.

 

Jhhnn

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Your friends at AIPAC strike again, Shivetya. Tail wags dog, as usual.

It's not too bright to call down the people who've just seen it your way..... might convince them that you're incapable of compromise or reason...

Unless, of course, you're truly in favor of using restraint wrt the Iranians...

Not!

I'll agree it's a mistake, however. Attacking the Iranians would compound the errors of Iraq, ensuring a larger conflict, with many more US troops involved for the foreseeable future- fighting an unnecessary war for Israel, basically. Attacking the Iranians while trying to extricate ourselves from Iraq is an oxymoron, a bewilderingly stupid ploy that only the most ardent Bushfans could possibly appreciate...
 

will889

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To OP - you mean the dem partisan politicians are weak? Remember there's a large number of Soldiers and Marines that are dems right now serving in Iraq. Party affiliation means jack shat.
 

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Originally posted by: Genx87
I think them cutting and running from their own debate because they are scared of a cable news channel is proof enough.
That was definitely weak. What better way to get your message to the conservatives, than to hold your debates on the 1 channel most are certain to watch?

It seems that instead of working tirelessly for positive change, they are just "treading water", hoping this admin's train wreck, will sweep them into the WH next election. The dems were preaching pragmatism after the last elections, this feels more like procrastination.
 

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AIPAC

EDIT: Not too surprising considering how the Democratic Party is beholden to them. Now Bush has his authority to strike Iran (implicit as it may be). Let's see what happens.
 

thraashman

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What the Dems need to do is stick with something. They keep backing down from passing things because there's the veto threat that they can't get a 2/3 majority to override. Who cares if there's a veto threat, pass it anyway! Then at least the blame falls on the man who vetoed it instead of the congress that failed to do anything. If Bush decides to stalemate the country by vetoing everything, let him. Either A) Bush will eventually stop because nothing is getting done. Or B)Some Repubs will vote with Dems to override because nothing's getting done. Or C) find a f$cking compromise somewhere and get something done. The key thing here is that congress needs to completely disregard Bush's opinion on everything and work together to get intelligent things done since we know quite well Bush cannot possibly have his hand in anything intelligent.

Admittadly I'd rather see nothing get done than see more things get done to further Bush's agenda, but come the f@ck on and move your asses! Stop being so afraid of what it'll look like. Either impeach the man, limit his power, or kick him square in the nuts, I don't care just stop Bush from invading another country and from antagonizing the psychos that lead them!
 

manowar821

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As long as we're name-calling, conservatives republicans are hateful pigs with the collective IQ of a brick.
Democrats are pretty spineless, though.
 

theeedude

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Dems don't need to do anything. The GOP is going to self destruct over Iraq in 2008 just like they did in 2006.
The best thing for the Democrats is if this war continues till 2008, so why should they do anything to stop that?
All they need to do is register their opposition to the war, and they have done that. Now the ball is in Bush's court. My guess is he'll throw his Republican pals under the bus again.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: senseamp
Dems don't need to do anything. The GOP is going to self destruct over Iraq in 2008 just like they did in 2006.
The best thing for the Democrats is if this war continues till 2008, so why should they do anything to stop that?
All they need to do is register their opposition to the war, and they have done that. Now the ball is in Bush's court. My guess is he'll throw his Republican pals under the bus again.


I think that is the whole point of the OP, is that the Democrats are no different than the Republicans, they are letting this go on for political reasons. All we have heard from the left is how the Democrats are going to come in and save the day, how much better they are than the Republicans, and how they are going to do what it takes to get us out of Iraq. Well, obviously they were wrong, the Dems are no better than the Republicans.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: Shivetya
http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/Davi...ms_can_cut_and_run,_but_they_cant_hide



So basically when push comes to shove they backed down? They won't do jack to stop Bush from going after Iran should he decide too?


Why do they think they have the majority? DUH! People are tired of this damn war and the possible escalation and now they have backed down? Demoweenies.

Dude, what sort of drugs are you smoking? 1.) This is an op-ed piece, not news, 2.) It doesn't even reference any news, 3.) It's by uber-partisan David Limbaugh. 4.) There's no indicating anyone has backed down from anything.
 

DealMonkey

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And to prove Shivetya is full of sh!t (as usual), the House Dems just introduced a bill 5 days ago holding the Iraqi government accountable to meet benchmarks while calling for a redeployment of troops by a specific date in 2008.

In a direct challenge to President Bush, House Democrats unveiled legislation Thursday requiring the withdrawal of U.S. combat troops from Iraq by the fall of next year. The White House said Bush would veto it.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi said the deadline would be added to legislation providing nearly $100 billion the Bush administration has requested for fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.

She told reporters the measure would mark the first time the new Democratic-controlled Congress has established a "date certain" for the end of U.S. combat in the four-year-old war that has claimed the lives of more than 3,100 U.S. troops.

Link
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
And to prove Shivetya is full of sh!t (as usual), the House Dems just introduced a bill 5 days ago holding the Iraqi government accountable to meet benchmarks while calling for a redeployment of troops by a specific date in 2008.

In a direct challenge to President Bush, House Democrats unveiled legislation Thursday requiring the withdrawal of U.S. combat troops from Iraq by the fall of next year. The White House said Bush would veto it.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi said the deadline would be added to legislation providing nearly $100 billion the Bush administration has requested for fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.

She told reporters the measure would mark the first time the new Democratic-controlled Congress has established a "date certain" for the end of U.S. combat in the four-year-old war that has claimed the lives of more than 3,100 U.S. troops.

Link

I think people have alluded to politcal reasons not truely caring about the issue for democrat actions.

Then you come in here and give us a link that pulls the troops out right before the 08 election lmao.

Wouldnt want to take a hard stance and pull them out this year. Lets wait until right before the election so we have politcal capital to spend to win the white house.
Same old same old.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
And to prove Shivetya is full of sh!t (as usual), the House Dems just introduced a bill 5 days ago holding the Iraqi government accountable to meet benchmarks while calling for a redeployment of troops by a specific date in 2008.

In a direct challenge to President Bush, House Democrats unveiled legislation Thursday requiring the withdrawal of U.S. combat troops from Iraq by the fall of next year. The White House said Bush would veto it.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi said the deadline would be added to legislation providing nearly $100 billion the Bush administration has requested for fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.

She told reporters the measure would mark the first time the new Democratic-controlled Congress has established a "date certain" for the end of U.S. combat in the four-year-old war that has claimed the lives of more than 3,100 U.S. troops.

Link

I think people have alluded to politcal reasons not truely caring about the issue for democrat actions.

Then you come in here and give us a link that pulls the troops out right before the 08 election lmao.

Wouldnt want to take a hard stance and pull them out this year. Lets wait until right before the election so we have politcal capital to spend to win the white house.
Same old same old.

So you'd prefer an immediate withdrawal that would surely end in total chaos? Face it, the Dems are slowly ratcheting up the pressure on Bush and his failed war. You don't like it and now you're acting like a little 5-year old screaming "Now! Now!" You're as full of it as Shivetya.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
And to prove Shivetya is full of sh!t (as usual), the House Dems just introduced a bill 5 days ago holding the Iraqi government accountable to meet benchmarks while calling for a redeployment of troops by a specific date in 2008.

In a direct challenge to President Bush, House Democrats unveiled legislation Thursday requiring the withdrawal of U.S. combat troops from Iraq by the fall of next year. The White House said Bush would veto it.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi said the deadline would be added to legislation providing nearly $100 billion the Bush administration has requested for fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.

She told reporters the measure would mark the first time the new Democratic-controlled Congress has established a "date certain" for the end of U.S. combat in the four-year-old war that has claimed the lives of more than 3,100 U.S. troops.

Link

I think people have alluded to politcal reasons not truely caring about the issue for democrat actions.

Then you come in here and give us a link that pulls the troops out right before the 08 election lmao.

Wouldnt want to take a hard stance and pull them out this year. Lets wait until right before the election so we have politcal capital to spend to win the white house.
Same old same old.

So you'd prefer an immediate withdrawal that would surely end in total chaos? Face it, the Dems are slowly ratcheting up the pressure on Bush and his failed war. You don't like it and now you're acting like a little 5-year old screaming "Now! Now!" You're as full of it as Shivetya.

I dont have an opinion on when to bring the troops home. But I find it funny you cant see through the politics of it all when the democrats shove it down your throat.

Now continue to be a good sheep and say baaah.


 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Shivetya
http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/Davi...ms_can_cut_and_run,_but_they_cant_hide



So basically when push comes to shove they backed down? They won't do jack to stop Bush from going after Iran should he decide too?


Why do they think they have the majority? DUH! People are tired of this damn war and the possible escalation and now they have backed down? Demoweenies.

You've made the transition from just another ultra right wing person on here to full time troll very nicely.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: Genx87
I dont have an opinion on when to bring the troops home. But I find it funny you cant see through the politics of it all when the democrats shove it down your throat.

Now continue to be a good sheep and say baaah.
As usual, I can't tell WTF you're talking about. I came into this thread expecting to find that the Dems had backed-down and were somehow "spineless and weak" according to the OP. My posts thus far have disputed that claim. Do you have anything to add to the discussion or are you simply here to blather on incoherently?
 

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There are some obvious political considerations that potentially explain the muted objections to Democratic inaction on the war.

The most obvious, and the most ignoble, is a desire that the war in Iraq - as destructive as it is - still be raging during the 2008 elections, based on the belief that Americans will punish Republicans for the war even more than they did in the 2006 midterm elections.

Is that naked political calculation driving some of the unwillingness of some Democratic elected officials to end the war? One would like to think not, but it is growing increasingly more difficult to avoid that suspicion.

Then there is the related, somewhat more reasonable political consideration which is grounded in the fear that if Democrats end the war in Iraq, all of the resulting violence and chaos which rightfully belongs in George Bush's lap will instead be heaped on the Democrats

"we were so close to winning if only the Democrats hadn't forced a withdrawal".

It is certainly true that war supporters, desperate to blame someone other than themselves for the disaster they have wrought, would immediately exploit this dishonest storyline, but does that really matter?

If ending the war is urgently necessary, is that consideration even remotely sufficient to justify a decision by Democrats to allow it to continue? Isn't that the same rationale that was used by Democrats who voted in favor of the 2002 Iraq AUMF. "if we oppose it, we will be damaged politically for years to come, and since it will pass anyway, why not support it and avoid incurring that political damage"? It is difficult to reconcile criticism of Congressional Democrats who voted on political grounds in 2002 to authorize the invasion of Iraq with a willingness now to allow them to avoid compelling an end to that war.

What does seem clear is that one of the principal factors accounting for the reluctance of Democrats to advocate de-funding is that the standard corruption that infects our political discourse has rendered the de-funding option truly radioactive.

Republicans and the media have propagated - and Democrats have frequently affirmed - the proposition that to de-fund a war is to endanger the "troops in the field."

This unbelievably irrational, even stupid, concept has arisen and has now taken root - that to cut off funds for the war means that, one day, our troops are going to be in the middle of a vicious fire-fight and suddenly they will run out of bullets - or run out of gas or armor - because Nancy Pelosi refused to pay for the things they need to protect themselves, and so they are going to find themselves in the middle of the Iraq war with no supplies and no money to pay for what they need.

That is just one of those grossly distorting, idiotic myths the media allows to become immovably lodged in our political discourse and which infects our political analysis and prevents any sort of rational examination of our options.

That is why virtually all political figures run away as fast and desperately as possible from the idea of de-funding a war - it's as though they have to strongly repudiate de-funding options because de-funding has become tantamount to "endangering our troops" (notwithstanding the fact that Congress has de-funded wars in the past and it is obviously done in coordination with the military and over a scheduled time frame so as to avoid "endangering the troops").
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
In the eyes of Republicans like you, yes.

I was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth like you and your ilk.

why do you always assume that ALL republicans, or right-leaning individuals, are wealthy? Or that ALL of them were born with a silver spoon?

I think you need to reconsider what they say about assuming...
 

blackllotus

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Considering that the Democrats withdrew the provision because of intra-party pressure as opposed to pressure from Republicans I don't see how they can be classified as "spineless"
 

johnnobts

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they are spineless and weak. just ask bill maher what he called them for backing out of the pres. debate.