I have no problem with people calling out the extremists on the right. I do have a problem with the left, when they won't call out their own extremists. We call that hypocrisy and the left is really imbibed in it. That's why they will not acknowledge Obama's multiple lies, as an example. Too partisan to care, I guess. I'll don't deny what Palin, Cruz and Boehner are. They'd never get my vote.
With the possible exception of Ron Paul, the above applies to just about all the politicians in America. So can't single out Cruz on that.
There is a big difference...the crazies on the "left" don't have much of a podium.
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Orignal Earl
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Which extremists on the left should we call out, anyway? Be specific. Liberals already denounce the revolutionary Left of which there are damned few in this country.
Or should we gussy them up, call them "Patriots" as is done on the Right? You know, like the Bundy ranch defenders or this looney tune?
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/07/05/2258631/kokesh-loads-shotgun-dc/
And what does that have to do with Obama's "lies", given that he's not a leftist at all? Well, other than in the minds of right wing reactionaries for whom everybody not them is automagically "Left" because there's nobody to the right of them other than the Skinheads.
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sandorski
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So, the party that does NOT dismiss / downplay rape, is dangerous and extreme??
http://www.dayswithoutagoprapemention.com/ (link provides links to the rape comments).
I don't know,... vilifying a victim is pretty dangerous and extreme to me.
Especially since you won't care to be around after the baby is born - because that is totally NOT your responsibility,.. even though you've shamed, abused, protested and passed laws to prevent that woman from getting an abortion.
http://www.dayswithoutagoprapemention.com/ (link provides links to the rape comments).
I don't know,... vilifying a victim is pretty dangerous and extreme to me.
Especially since you won't care to be around after the baby is born - because that is totally NOT your responsibility,.. even though you've shamed, abused, protested and passed laws to prevent that woman from getting an abortion.
Hayabusa Rider
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The problem is that our system keeps any other choices from happening. You talk about Obama not being a liberal, but you and others will defend him to the bitter end in order to keep the only other choice, whomever that may be. Consequently you are politically impotent, but you aren't alone. Moonbeam is right in that any third party would become just as the other two, because that's how the world works. Politics and thermodynamics have a lot in common. The greatest power which requires the least effort is the inevitable result.
Consequently you support a President who wages war and protects those who foisted Iraq on us. Notable self proclaimed progressives will attack Republicans and vote for an Obama every time as well, at times going to ridiculous lengths to do so.
Politicians by definition are politically affiliated and no ideas which do not ultimately benefit their party survive. They cannot afford to allow any plan, however beneficial, which does not give an R or D complete control and credit. That's why Moonbeam is correct in that we need a Constitutional change which would bust open the RD monopoly (posing as a democracy) and allow many more choices and ideas for the citizen to consider. Partisans and politicians, the "conservative minds" as I think of them, will oppose it of course, but that's because it threatens their perspective and power.
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,... it is worse than I thought,.. this Democratic 'radical' indoctrination actually kicked off in the 80s,..
No, they don't. They're lost in their sense of evolutionary superiority. While they sit around and brag about how superior they are, the elites in this country are laughing at how they can so easily manipulate everyone. There most certainly are some whackjobs on the right, but the left is, in many cases, thoroughly deluded.
Reality. Deal with it, or keep tearing it down, deal with the law of unintended consequences down the road.
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Yes they are, because they both go out of their way to attempt to cater to the exact opposite of what the other party espouses to get votes. One wants abortion, the other don't. One wants more welfare state, the other less. One wants Christian government, one doesn't. I could go on for hours.
The scariest part to me is watching both the party conventions and noticing the parties various representatives, like those in the electoral college, all look like they are completely brainwashed, mind controlled zombies who couldn't think for themselves if their lives depended on it. The party conventions are like watching the Invasion of the Body Snatcher's pod people hosting a religious rally. It seriously looks like they are all subjected to MKUltra mind control experiments before they ever show up.
And these emotionless zombies who applaud and cheer on command are supposedly voting because the population at large is deemed less capable of choosing than they are. What a complete joke and a flagrant abuse of the democratic election process. And what a perfect psyop opportunity to game the election system and elect someone the population at large would never have elected in the first place.
This jury-rigged, gamed electoral system was put in place before public schools were widespread, when the population at large was deemed far too stupid to be able to vote in presidential elections directly. So why wasn't it already abolished at least a hundred years ago? I feel certain the last few presidents would never have been elected without the electoral college in place. Just don't tell the brainwashed zombies electing them that.
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What reality do you mean? I notice that we have an immigration disaster that neither party wants to address while claiming they do. Obama, while accusing the Republicans of stalling, has put off action on it until after the election at his party's request. In what kind of world does a man care more about getting his team re-elected than in doing what is right? I think that is the description of a man trapped in a system in which the greater good has been stood on its head.
To lead means to know what is right and to act on truth's behalf, by education, by example, and sacrifice if need be. Nobody votes, which is what the money class wants, because nobody believes their vote matters. Those who were elected profited from the status quo. They will not change a condition that means a win for them because the men who run have all been party vetted and party dependent on the money that takes. As long as the system is money dependent, those who have money will be served, first second, and third. The little people, the average American people don't matter and won't matter so long as they do nothing to change the system.
How did it happen that the interests of the American people don't matter. It happened because money was called speech and the reality of political speech is that it is propaganda. and all that money that is paid to the cunning immoral swine who know how to manipulate unsophisticated minds.
What you call extreme, I call money dependent, radicalized by the interests of the one percent.
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It's precisely the other way around. They are non-thinking automatons because that's what the voters demand. Deviation from the party line gets you a primary challenge.
The moderates didn't disappear for no reason, the voters demanded that they be purged.
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The united states has some of the lowest voter turnout of developed nations, but yet you want a constitutional convention?
We as a nation are so divided there is little we can agree on.
People for the most part vote their own personal interest over the interest of the nation.
Nothing is going to change. We are a highway to hell, and there are no stop signs.
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