Democrats and Republicans need to unite against a common enemy.....

[Moonbeam]

I posted this in another thread but it's worth a wider look in my opinion:

http://www.scholarsstrategynetwork....campaign-contributions-very-wealthy-americans

The parties have been corrupted by the wealthy who are the ones who wind up benefiting. Your enemy is not each other but money. The average American will continue to lose if one or both parties don't change. We will have to force the political system to change because the people who are in it and own it benefit from it staying the same. Whatever party you are in, it is your real enemy, There is only one enemy you can get to and that is your own party. Change it as best you can. Notice that in fighting each other we fuck ourselves. All partisans have been suckered because democracy of the people is dead. Neither democrats nor republicans killed it. They killed it together. We took our eyes off the ball and got fucked.

 

[JSt0rm]

bootstraps.txt

 

[sandorski]

If you don't like how Billionaires are running the country, become a Trillionaire and change it! Personal responsibility Bro! Do you even responsible?

 

[JSt0rm]

 

[UberNeuman]

Just be proud of your Trump vote and stop pushing the guilt off onto others.

 

[JSt0rm]

moony voted trump? no way.

 

[trenchfoot]

Class warfare was declared on the middle class and the poor decades ago by the aristocrat class.

If there ever was a time when this war has been more exposed more blatantly than ever before, it's right here, right now and the guy we have to thank for that is of course, The Con Man of the Century, The Patho-Liar in Chief, The Used Car Saleman That Sold a Piece of Shit Clunker to Millions of Suckers Who Swear It's a Lambo, The One and Only, The Despicable Donny Dangerous Himself.

If the Dems screw up this opportunity of a lifetime to keep the wealthy from stripping the gov't of the protections, services and assistance it provides for the working class and the poor, it would be a shameful shame-shaming.

 

[Moonbeam]

Just be proud of your Trump vote and stop pushing the guilt off onto others.

Et tu, Brute?

 

[boomerang]

Anyone that thinks they're going to talk politicians into getting their faces out of the pig trough is fooling themselves. You can't appeal to their sense of right and wrong, you can't vote them out because the one bad apple proverb is in play.

Politicians have turned their positions from one meant to be temporary and one solely based in public service into a career with benefits the likes of which no average person has ever seen. Win an election, serve for a very brief time and you've got yourself a pension and healthcare for your and yours. That's just the briefest of touches on the perks of becoming a politician. The system is totally and wholly corrupt and the laws are made by these same people. They are always many steps ahead of the people that elect them.

There are two ways to change the system. One is by amending the Constitution through the Article V process. The other is through force and we all know which faction of the government would like to take away our right to defend ourselves against them.

 

[jmagg]

they put the hate into the water

 

[Meghan54]

Keep on beating that drum of dumbass....it clearly defines you.

There are two ways to change the system. One is by amending the Constitution through the Article V process. The other is through force and we all know which faction of the government would like to take away our right to defend ourselves against them.

 

[ivwshane]

Anyone that thinks they're going to talk politicians into getting their faces out of the pig trough is fooling themselves. You can't appeal to their sense of right and wrong, you can't vote them out because the one bad apple proverb is in play.

Politicians have turned their positions from one meant to be temporary and one solely based in public service into a career with benefits the likes of which no average person has ever seen. Win an election, serve for a very brief time and you've got yourself a pension and healthcare for your and yours. That's just the briefest of touches on the perks of becoming a politician. The system is totally and wholly corrupt and the laws are made by these same people. They are always many steps ahead of the people that elect them.

There are two ways to change the system. One is by amending the Constitution through the Article V process. The other is through force and we all know which faction of the government would like to take away our right to defend ourselves against them.

The faction that thinks there is only two ways to fix government, the slowest way possible or the use of force?

Lol!

 

[Genx87]

Moonie why are you projecting? You are such a right wing shill that loves Russia!

 

[boomerang]

The faction that thinks there is only two ways to fix government, the slowest way possible or the use of force?

Lol!

And the path to fix government you feel will work is what? Lay it out for us.

 

[Flapdrol1337]

Money is the republican god. There's no way this administration will do anything that benefits the people of the united states if it harms the interests of the rich.

 

[brandonbull]

Class warfare was declared on the middle class and the poor decades ago by the aristocrat class.

If there ever was a time when this war has been more exposed more blatantly than ever before, it's right here, right now and the guy we have to thank for that is of course, The Con Man of the Century, The Patho-Liar in Chief, The Used Car Saleman That Sold a Piece of Shit Clunker to Millions of Suckers Who Swear It's a Lambo, The One and Only, The Despicable Donny Dangerous Himself.

If the Dems screw up this opportunity of a lifetime to keep the wealthy from stripping the gov't of the protections, services and assistance it provides for the working class and the poor, it would be a shameful shame-shaming.

If you are hoping that the Democrats are going to protect us from the evil rich people, we are in for a long wait. Like asking a wolf to protect the sheep from other wolves.

 

[Moonbeam]

Class warfare was declared on the middle class and the poor decades ago by the aristocrat class.

If there ever was a time when this war has been more exposed more blatantly than ever before, it's right here, right now and the guy we have to thank for that is of course, The Con Man of the Century, The Patho-Liar in Chief, The Used Car Saleman That Sold a Piece of Shit Clunker to Millions of Suckers Who Swear It's a Lambo, The One and Only, The Despicable Donny Dangerous Himself.

If the Dems screw up this opportunity of a lifetime to keep the wealthy from stripping the gov't of the protections, services and assistance it provides for the working class and the poor, it would be a shameful shame-shaming.

Kind of reminds me of another party whose incapacity to feel shame leads to endlessly fucking themselves and suggests that some of us apparently aren't really interested in criticism as a means to analyze and improve someones point of view, but administer pain because the defensiveness when it comes back at them is astounding. Just what you would expect, however, if people actually hate themselves.

 

[Moonbeam]

Anyone that thinks they're going to talk politicians into getting their faces out of the pig trough is fooling themselves. You can't appeal to their sense of right and wrong, you can't vote them out because the one bad apple proverb is in play.

Politicians have turned their positions from one meant to be temporary and one solely based in public service into a career with benefits the likes of which no average person has ever seen. Win an election, serve for a very brief time and you've got yourself a pension and healthcare for your and yours. That's just the briefest of touches on the perks of becoming a politician. The system is totally and wholly corrupt and the laws are made by these same people. They are always many steps ahead of the people that elect them.

There are two ways to change the system. One is by amending the Constitution through the Article V process. The other is through force and we all know which faction of the government would like to take away our right to defend ourselves against them.

You are a Republican and what you are describing here is the fact that democracy is dead. I am a liberal and I see mostly the same thing. Naturally, I am not exactly the liberal you describe and fear. I don't want to take your guns so your fear that liberals will sounds like one of the many peripheral issues ginned up by those smart politicians to divide us to me.

The problem with guns that I see is that the people crowded into areas of deep economic stress use them as a last resort to stay alive, sort of like intended but in a very bad way. When you look at a gun you see yourself pointing it, but others live a live of misery seeing them pointed at their kids. Were there trust instead of manufactured hatred, I think some rational middle ground could be found.

There is also the force of the ballot box. If people could be brought to the realization, just as you have described here, that the system is broken and not ascribe blame to others but focus just on changing that, ordinary people liberal and conservative would have that goal in common. When a large body of very determined people see the same problem and the same solution, change can happen.

First we will maybe need to change the conversation. Also, I would add, if guns are used to change the system, I think the system will in fact use force to take that right away. The whole bugaboo about gun rights is there to divide, in my opinion. The moment it threatens moneyed interests, guns will become the new enemy instead of Democrats. Something you might just be fortunately cynical enough to consider.

 

[Moonbeam]

If you are hoping that the Democrats are going to protect us from the evil rich people, we are in for a long wait. Like asking a wolf to protect the sheep from other wolves.

What I am saying is that what you say about Democrats is true of Republicans as well and that is how the system preserves itself. You are blaming your own faults on others and that is how we have been manipulated to fight among ourselves while the rich get richer and the rest of us deteriorate. Your enemy is money in politics in my opinion. Please read the link.

 

[Majes]

Moon, what can we do to change the two party system? Any time a new party starts to gain steam the media murders it.

 

[Indus]

Enjoying your honeymoon with Trump I see. Only 3.8 years to go. Enjoy it. No lube.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

 

[Moonbeam]

Moon, what can we do to change the two party system? Any time a new party starts to gain steam the media murders it.

That problem goes hand in hand with money corrupting the system. The two parties that dominate the system aren't going to make it easier for some other party to win. Each also fears splitting into two parties for fear the undivided one will win. The same force that has yet to rid the corruption of the parties by money will be required to fix this too.

If enough people tell their elected officials they will be voted out if they don't fix this, maybe it can be fixed but that will require alternative candidates put up by the two parties who will run as people's advocates for change.

There are all manner of good ideas that can change the stranglehold the two parties have on power and my favorite is a ballot with none of the above but more especially, the one that you can pick a order of candidates so that if your first choice doesn't win your vote goes to your second choice and so on down the list of those running. The people in power now I think with few exceptions will never go for this.

Another thing that should probably change is the capacity of the legislature to set its own salary to anything above minimum wage and maybe an annual lotto to determine who gets health care with the percentage who do the same as the rest of the country, I think you'd see universal healthcare over night.

 

[Sonikku]

Democrats and Republicans need to unite against a common enemy.....

They have. They're called the lower and middle classes.

 

[Moonbeam]

They have. They're called the lower and middle classes.

I know. That's why, in my opinion, the first party to really begin the war to take back democracy from established power wins.

 

[soulcougher73]

What I am saying is that what you say about Democrats is true of Republicans as well and that is how the system preserves itself. You are blaming your own faults on others and that is how we have been manipulated to fight among ourselves while the rich get richer and the rest of us deteriorate. Your enemy is money in politics in my opinion. Please read the link.

I was reading your posts up to this point and also listening to this band and this song came on which sort of reminding me of what you are getting at a bit. Or im just weird and there is no correlation lol

Hey little sister, don’t be afraid
Even though that’s what the newspapers seem to say
With desperation
Hey little sister, I know its tough
Money ain’t being shared but god knows there’s enough
To arm a nation
We all come back again
To the same old ground
The one where we began
Hey little sister, it’s the same old song
If we all think we’re right, well who the hell is wrong
So we fall apart
Hey little sister, don’t lose your smile
Even though it seems like love has gone out of style
I hear your beating heart
We all come back again
To the same old ground
The one where we began
We fall apart, we fall apart...
But I hear your heart
We all come back again
To the same old ground
The one where we began

https://youtu.be/9JJ9X9lAm38?t=559
(Don't click unless you like good music)