Democrat hopefuls looking to pay reparations to people that have never been slaves.

Page 3 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
85,632
50,852
136
Don't Republicans complain that Ds will pass reparations every election?

Yet no serious person ever talks about doing it.

Curious.

It’s always the same playbook. Obama was a communist coming to take your guns. After eight years of Obama not being a communist and not taking their guns Republicans went with...‘Clinton is a communist who is coming to take your guns’.
 
  • Like
Reactions: gradoman

SlowSpyder

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
17,305
1,001
126
@SlowSpyder do you believe that black Americans today face disadvantage owing to many years of racial discrimination supported by government in the United States?

I believe the war on drugs was unfair to minorities and they were affected by lopsided laws. However, I do not believe that today they have any significant obstacles beyond that which a white man faces in regards to achieving in life, in modern American society.
 

SlowSpyder

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
17,305
1,001
126
It’s always the same playbook. Obama was a communist coming to take your guns. After eight years of Obama not being a communist and not taking their guns Republicans went with...‘Clinton is a communist who is coming to take your guns’.


Kind of like Trump is going to ruin the economy if elected and our country will crash and burn under his leadership, eh?
 

SMOGZINN

Lifer
Jun 17, 2005
14,221
4,452
136
Democrats are hypocrites volume 9084388948297

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/harris-warren-embrace-reparations-for-black-americans

They keep going further and further left, keep lowering the bar.

So, Democrats think people that are generations removed from slavery, people that have never ever felt the pain of such a practice, should be paid for being victim to slavery. Some ~150 years after slavery ended.

These are the same people that think that dreamers should stay in America because guilt cannot be passed down, not a child's fault their illegal parents had birth in a country they shouldn't be in.

I'm not actually for reparations, I think it is the wrong solution. But I can understand the argument. I know that you on the right don't believe that history has any significant effect on the present, but let me try to explain it to you in a way you can identify with.

Think about it like second hand smoke. The effects of that cigarette last long after the cigarette has been put out. Sure the fire is gone and the smoke in the air has dissipated, but it's effects are going to be felt for a long time after the primary cause is forgotten. Some believe that the right thing to do is to help the people that has to live with the aftereffects of that smoke.
 
  • Like
Reactions: DarthKyrie and pmv

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
34,004
8,040
136
I do not believe that today they have any significant obstacles beyond that which a white man faces in regards to achieving in life, in modern American society.

Just the fact that Blacks are 12% of the population means there is an inherent reduction in opportunity, by not being the first choice when the rest of the population selects a person for a job. It is simple tribalism and self segregation in that regard, people do it all the time. We seek comfort and familiarity over adversity and differences. We want easy, and looking in the mirror is pretty easy with regards to hiring practices.

Not saying it has to be on purpose, it just happens. It's a natural attractor, like gravity.
 

realibrad

Lifer
Oct 18, 2013
12,337
898
126
Just the fact that Blacks are 12% of the population means there is an inherent reduction in opportunity, by not being the first choice when the rest of the population selects a person for a job. It is simple tribalism and self segregation in that regard, people do it all the time. We seek comfort and familiarity over adversity and differences. We want easy, and looking in the mirror is pretty easy with regards to hiring practices.

Not saying it has to be on purpose, it just happens. It's a natural attractor, like gravity.

Why does that tribalism not effect Jews and Asians?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Atreus21

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
85,632
50,852
136
Kind of like Trump is going to ruin the economy if elected and our country will crash and burn under his leadership, eh?

It was mostly that he was corrupt and incompetent, things that have been proven entirely correct, haha.

I mean the sheer number of corruption investigations going on along with the sheer number of Trump associates going to prison shows the corruption part. Remember, this is a guy who settled a lawsuit for $25 million dollars for stealing people’s money even before he got into office. Lol.

The fact that basically everyone who has written anything about how the west wing operates has said it is chaotic and dysfunctional covers the incompetence part.
 
  • Like
Reactions: DarthKyrie

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
85,632
50,852
136
Just the fact that Blacks are 12% of the population means there is an inherent reduction in opportunity, by not being the first choice when the rest of the population selects a person for a job. It is simple tribalism and self segregation in that regard, people do it all the time. We seek comfort and familiarity over adversity and differences. We want easy, and looking in the mirror is pretty easy with regards to hiring practices.

Not saying it has to be on purpose, it just happens. It's a natural attractor, like gravity.

When you tell him things like this he says they aren’t true. When you point him to empirical research that shows this he claims all the research is bullshit. He simply ignores any and all information that tells him things he doesn’t want to hear.
 
  • Like
Reactions: DarthKyrie

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
34,004
8,040
136
Why does that tribalism not effect Jews and Asians?

First, Gravity can be defied by thrust. Other factors do exist. My whole point was that discrimination exists whether we want it to or not. Whether anyone actually does it on purpose, or not. It is a permanent fixture for our entire species and it could be a mistake to not account for it. Even if we all looked the same, we'd find something else.

Second, are you sure your conclusion is accurate? Hitler did a number on the Jewish population. Anti-Semites do exist. And there are factors that provide what one might call... privilege. It could be that many such folks arrive from wealthy families. But not everyone does. I would say that other factors muddy the results, and can skew our perceptions, but the sort of discrimination I spoke of is simply inherent. If you'd like to argue whether it exists at all, I'd say look at city neighborhoods, and ethnic enclaves. People grouping together based on familiarity is a universal factor that is readily demonstrable.
 

realibrad

Lifer
Oct 18, 2013
12,337
898
126
First, Gravity can be defied by thrust. Other factors do exist. My whole point was that discrimination exists whether we want it to or not. Whether anyone actually does it on purpose, or not. It is a permanent fixture for our entire species and it could be a mistake to not account for it. Even if we all looked the same, we'd find something else.

Second, are you sure your conclusion is accurate? Hitler did a number on the Jewish population. Anti-Semites do exist. And there are factors that provide what one might call... privilege. It could be that many such folks arrive from wealthy families. But not everyone does. I would say that other factors muddy the results, and can skew our perceptions, but the sort of discrimination I spoke of is simply inherent. If you'd like to argue whether it exists at all, I'd say look at city neighborhoods, and ethnic enclaves. People grouping together based on familiarity is a universal factor that is readily demonstrable.

I'm not sure what the answer is to my question.

Jews and Asians both do better on average. The Jews have a more a more recent history, and Asians in the US is more complicated. Both seem to be doing better, but, I can't explain it. They are smaller groups, but, their histories might be so different that it changes things.
 

brandonbull

Diamond Member
May 3, 2005
6,338
1,215
126
You and Fox have something in common, you are only honest on days that don't end in "y".

Here is what Harris actually said...


Despite you and the authors characterizations that was NOT a call for reparations.

The war on poverty has been an absolute failure except for the Democrats. They were able to not only suppress generations of people but then turn them into a loyal base of voters. It was 3D chess before there was 3D chess.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Atreus21

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
111,133
30,084
146
It seems to me that OP is attempting to argue that holding an entire race of humans in bondage for generations, and then subsequently restricting their rights of freedom of movement, association, employment, and representation for a further several generations, somehow has absolutely zero social or economic impact on the descendants of the bonded and disenfranchised race, for further generations yet.

Is that what OP is saying?
 

SlowSpyder

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
17,305
1,001
126
Just the fact that Blacks are 12% of the population means there is an inherent reduction in opportunity, by not being the first choice when the rest of the population selects a person for a job. It is simple tribalism and self segregation in that regard, people do it all the time. We seek comfort and familiarity over adversity and differences. We want easy, and looking in the mirror is pretty easy with regards to hiring practices.

Not saying it has to be on purpose, it just happens. It's a natural attractor, like gravity.


If what you're saying is true, Asians must really be suffering in America today.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
111,133
30,084
146
I believe the war on drugs was unfair to minorities and they were affected by lopsided laws. However, I do not believe that today they have any significant obstacles beyond that which a white man faces in regards to achieving in life, in modern American society.

Noted. So you're just blind.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Atreus21

SlowSpyder

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
17,305
1,001
126
Noted. So you're just blind.

Give me a top five, top three, something. Please keep in mind that leftist racist policies like affirmative action are in place. (And for the record, I'm very much for diversity, but I think it needs to be organic, not based on racist policies)
 

Viper1j

Diamond Member
Jul 31, 2018
4,264
3,840
136
I guess bullets fired by cops don't count as an impediment. what's a little lead poisoning among friends?
 
Feb 4, 2009
35,245
16,716
136
It seems to me that OP is attempting to argue that holding an entire race of humans in bondage for generations, and then subsequently restricting their rights of freedom of movement, association, employment, and representation for a further several generations, somehow has absolutely zero social or economic impact on the descendants of the bonded and disenfranchised race, for further generations yet.

Is that what OP is saying?

I’m still trying to figure out that last sentence that implied it’s the babies choice where they are born.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
111,133
30,084
146
Give me a top five, top three, something. Please keep in mind that leftist racist policies like affirmative action are in place. (And for the record, I'm very much for diversity, but I think it needs to be organic, not based on racist policies)

Be black. Just do it. Live your life as a black man for a week.
 
  • Like
Reactions: DarthKyrie

interchange

Diamond Member
Oct 10, 1999
8,022
2,872
136
I believe the war on drugs was unfair to minorities and they were affected by lopsided laws. However, I do not believe that today they have any significant obstacles beyond that which a white man faces in regards to achieving in life, in modern American society.

I'm not sure I completely understand your answer. Are black Americans at a present disadvantage relative to white Americans?
 

Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
10,676
5,238
136
Has someone asked Trump this perennial election question?

IDK who's really thinking about this other than dumb media pundits and Ta Nehesi Coates.

Has Sanders taken a position on whether we should be feeding the poor using unicorn meat?
 

brandonbull

Diamond Member
May 3, 2005
6,338
1,215
126
I'm not sure I completely understand your answer. Are black Americans at a present disadvantage relative to white Americans?

Can we ask members of the NFL and NBA? Are we talking in general terms? What comparison are you looking to make?
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
111,133
30,084
146
The liberals have made PC so over the top that if I honestly tried to do that people would say I'm racist for the blackface / makeup.

Top two? One?

So your excuse is that liberals are preventing you from an attempt to gain appreciation and perhaps empathy (lol--I know you are incapable) for the daily reality that many humans face?

Let me know how that works out for you.
 
  • Like
Reactions: DarthKyrie

interchange

Diamond Member
Oct 10, 1999
8,022
2,872
136
Can we ask members of the NFL and NBA? Are we talking in general terms? What comparison are you looking to make?

Yeah it's in general terms. But if you're trying to suggest that black people aren't at a disadvantage because they have access to professional athletics for revenue then I simply have to laugh at you.