Democrat hopefuls looking to pay reparations to people that have never been slaves.

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realibrad

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Because non one is perfect and one can find issue with anything anyone does, much less either political party. I don't feel this is hyperbole at all. The left are hypocrites up and down the board. Sure, the right has their moments as well. But today, I see far more issue with the left and how insane they've become since Trump was elected. This is just another example, and it was a news story that I saw today. Had I seen something showing the right doing something similar, I would have happily posted it. But, nothing new came up, I don't see Trump talking about removing LGBT marriage rights while he's complaining about those that want sharia law, as an example. I do see the OP as relevant today given that they are candidates running for president. Pointing out their hypocrisy and ever increasing charge to the left is fair game.

*edit - And I want to add, one of the big issues I have with the left today is that they manufacture racism and bigotry while smuggly thinking they own the moral high ground in the fight against it. Keep them on the plantation, keep everyone a victim.

I'm sure you have seen me arguing with people on the Left about the issues I see on the Left, so we agree somewhat.

But, the linked article and the arguments within it do not match your post. The issue is much wider than you established. The issue is not that people that were slaves should be the only focus. Its that Black people, even after slavery, were held back by social and governmental institutions that played a role in their stunted progress. You framed it as people want to give Black people money even though they (current people) were never slaves.
 

Starbuck1975

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I think this is perfectly valid topic for this forum, the story is from a mainstream media source, and the Democrats are hypocrites.
It’s a valid topic, but you present it in as inflammatory a tone as possible to kick the hornet’s nest, and then we get three pages of pissing matches.
 
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Moonbeam

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Dividing America over its race problem is a Russian propaganda priority. Were this a right wing site I think SlowSpider would be raving on about how Black people get the shaft.
 

SlowSpyder

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It’s a valid topic, but you present it in as inflammatory a tone as possible to kick the hornet’s nest, and then we get three pages of pissing matches.


I am inflamed by leftist racism, which I believe to be a bigger problem than racism from the right today.
 

realibrad

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Dividing America over its race problem is a Russian propaganda priority. Were this a right wing site I think SlowSpider would be raving on about how Black people get the shaft.

That's not fair to Americans. Race has been a dividing problem for a long while now, its just that Russia has realized how useful it can be for their purposes.
 

Vic

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The reality! nalm (Not a laughing matter)
No, guy, you are in truth doing what you're accusing others of doing. Brad already showed it quite well. You're brainwashed by your media into believing lies (as Homer pointed out) that lead you to believe that you are being victimized by 'leftists' or whatever. While your simplistic bipolar worldview, in which you assign everyone into monolithic groups of your choosing and insist that each person within those groups must believe and behave according to your preconceptions, is arguably the ultimate in divisiveness and prejudice.
Case in point: no 'leftist' politician here argued for reparations. No 'leftist' poster here has argued in favor of reparations. But you will likely go on and on in this thread all day insisting that 'leftists' argued for something when they never did, and calling them names when they refuse to admit to being for something that you're convinced that all 'leftists' must be for, even when it's proven to you that they aren't.
And, pal, if that ain't divisive, then what is? If it isn't prejudiced to tell people what you think they must believe and refuse to accept their own arguments to the contrary, then what is?
Carry on though. I wouldn't want stop you from doing what you do here every day, which is making a fool of yourself and blaming everyone else for it. And if that isn't playing a victim, then what is?
 

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*edit - And I want to add, one of the big issues I have with the left today is that they manufacture racism and bigotry while smuggly thinking they own the moral high ground in the fight against it. Keep them on the plantation, keep everyone a victim.
I MEAN... WHO SAW THAT ONE COMING? TALK ABOUT YOUR PLOT TWISTS... WOW.
 

Moonbeam

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That's not fair to Americans. Race has been a dividing problem for a long while now, its just that Russia has realized how useful it can be for their purposes.
Nothing about what I said was unfair to Americans. I said nothing that contradicts what you said. The only thing that was potentially unfair about what I said is that SlowSpider may actually be stupid enough to be saying what he really believes rather than acting as a Russian agent. Sorry, but that anybody could be that stupid is too horrible to contemplate.
 

Moonbeam

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No, guy, you are in truth doing what you're accusing others of doing. Brad already showed it quite well. You're brainwashed by your media into believing lies (as Homer pointed out) that lead you to believe that you are being victimized by 'leftists' or whatever. While your simplistic bipolar worldview, in which you assign everyone into monolithic groups of your choosing and insist that each person within those groups must believe and behave according to your preconceptions, is arguably the ultimate in divisiveness and prejudice.
Case in point: no 'leftist' politician here argued for reparations. No 'leftist' poster here has argued in favor of reparations. But you will likely go on and on in this thread all day insisting that 'leftists' argued for something when they never did, and calling them names when they refuse to admit to being for something that you're convinced that all 'leftists' must be for, even when it's proven to you that they aren't.
And, pal, if that ain't divisive, then what is? If it isn't prejudiced to tell people what you think they must believe and refuse to accept their own arguments to the contrary, then what is?
Carry on though. I wouldn't want stop you from doing what you do here every day, which is making a fool of yourself and blaming everyone else for it. And if that isn't playing a victim, then what is?
Damn, that was good. Love the effort and intelligence you put into that. I find it suites my liberal lazy-assed freebee thinking just to call him a Russian agent, so Russian agent he is for me. He can take it up with his psychiatrist all his rage against his Mother for not standing up to his Dad for using him as a punching bag. ;)
 

realibrad

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Nothing about what I said was unfair to Americans. I said nothing that contradicts what you said. The only thing that was potentially unfair about what I said is that SlowSpider may actually be stupid enough to be saying what he really believes rather than acting as a Russian agent. Sorry, but that anybody could be that stupid is too horrible to contemplate.

It was more of a joke Moon. The joke was that you were not giving enough credit to Americans harming themselves.
 
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Viper1j

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Democrats are hypocrites volume 9084388948297

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/harris-warren-embrace-reparations-for-black-americans

They keep going further and further left, keep lowering the bar.

So, Democrats think people that are generations removed from slavery, people that have never ever felt the pain of such a practice, should be paid for being victim to slavery. Some ~150 years after slavery ended.

These are the same people that think that dreamers should stay in America because guilt cannot be passed down, not a child's fault their illegal parents had birth in a country they shouldn't be in.

Shame your family wasn't split and sold down the river, with your great great grandmother being raped one minute, then used like a pack animal the next minute. Shame you never saw a picture of your great grandfather with a rope around his neck, swinging from an elm tree.

Then you might a clue. Until then, stay in your own fucking lane.
 
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realibrad

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Shame your family wasn't split and sold down the river, with your great great grandmother being raped one minute, then used like a pack animal the next minute. Shame you never saw a picture of your great grandfather with a rope around his neck, swinging from an elm tree.

Then you might a clue. Until then, stay in your own fucking lane.

That's a bit extreme.
 

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Shame your family wasn't split and sold down the river, with your great great grandmother being raped one minute, then used like a pack animal the next minute. Shame you never saw a picture of your great grandfather with a rope around his neck, swinging from an elm tree.

Then you might a clue. Until then, stay in your own fucking lane.


Those are terrible things that happened. That doesn't mean someone should get reparations today. We are pretty far removed. I bet if you go back far enough in just about anyone's history, you can find slavery and ancestors being conquered at some time or another. That doesn't affect my ability to get a job today and make it in our society that gives fair chance to all. I don't deserve government payout because ancestors I never knew were treated poorly. You should stop being so full of hate, life is better that way.
 

Viper1j

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It's not an extreme if it's an experience. I never got to know my great grandfather, I might have never even had a chance to know him, even without him being hanged from a tree in Louisiana. But I do know that was a chance stolen from both of us. You don't have to go back 175 years to find the evil in this country 83 years is plenty.

Funny how nobody had much of an issue with those nor the decsendants of those shipped off to the Manzanar Internment Camp getting paid.
 
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It's not an extreme if it's an experience. I never got to know my great grandfather, I might have never even had a chance to know him, even without him being hanged from a tree in Louisiana. But I do know that was a chance stolen from both us. You don't have to go back 175 years to find the evil in this country 83 years is plenty.

Funny how nobody had much of an issue with those nor the decsendants of those shipped off to the Manzanar Internment Camp getting paid.

Saying its a shame those things did not happen to his family...? Really?
 
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Considering all the shit this country has done to minorities and black people from it's founding to the present day, discussions on reparations are certainly warranted. So called reparations wouldn't even have to take the form of direct payments to individuals; it could be in the form of programs that specifically help historically disadvantaged groups to level the overall playing field in society.

Slavery and Jim Crow may be gone, but the scars inflicted on this country and it's people linger on today.
 
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It's not an extreme if it's an experience. I never got to know my great grandfather, I might have never even had a chance to know him, even without him being hanged from a tree in Louisiana. But I do know that was a chance stolen from both us. You don't have to go back 175 years to find the evil in this country 83 years is plenty.

Funny how nobody had much of an issue with those nor the decsendants of those shipped off to the Manzanar Internment Camp getting paid.


Something terrible happened to your great grandfather. That is unfortunate, very unfortunate, and I'm sorry to hear that your family was affected in such a way. I'm happy we're past that time in history and looking to a brighter future. But I'm sorry, I don't agree that you deserve a government payout, I think you deserve the same opportunity and security as everyone else. You should not have to worry about being hurt in a prejudiced hate crime. You should have the same opportunity as anyone else to achieve. We are equals and that's something I argue for, but neither of us deserves privilege or to be held back unfairly.

Again, sorry for your family's loss.
 

Jaskalas

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Nothing about what I said was unfair to Americans. I said nothing that contradicts what you said. The only thing that was potentially unfair about what I said is that SlowSpider may actually be stupid enough to be saying what he really believes rather than acting as a Russian agent. Sorry, but that anybody could be that stupid is too horrible to contemplate.

It occurs to me now, that missing in education is a clearly defined example of just what stupidity is.

What critical thinking is, and what it looks like when applied to solve problems and weigh in on important issues. No one I know, or at least myself, has had any formal education on whatever separates SlowSpider's posts from our own. I feel as though we have been making up these distinctions as we go, "by the seat of our pants". When it would have been REALLY freaking useful and instructional for everyone if we learned how to frame thoughts into an objective and constructive manner. To have productive posts, rather than mere !@#$ flinging. And to have this instruction MUCH earlier in life.

That way at least, if we shared such common ground, I could appreciate why you think it's too horrible to contemplate. Where as I think he's just a normal person struck by some deep seated partisanship. When one is invested in an outcome it is too easy to read a headline and assume it is the truth. After all it comes from a "trusted" source. I doubt SlowSpider knows why we object most the time, other than we are dirty liberals on our own partisan crusade. It is rather unfortunate that it falls to us to try an explain things through the partisan barrier, when such benefits could have been provided so many years earlier.

A child will more readily listen to an instructor, than an adult will listen to his opponents.

This also applies to competing facts, the duality of truth and reality that America finds itself plunged into. As Right wing news combats Left wing news. If only our people knew how to be objective, and discern truth from fiction. If only we knew what separated critical thinking from non-critical thinking. I feel like, to use an example, we are given a set of individual problems and answers from geometry and left to figure out the rest for ourselves. When there is clearly a formula for solving them, but no one is given instruction, as we are all left to figure it out on our own. To come up with our own formula. Some people will master it, others will come up with half baked formulas that sometimes work, and others will never figure it out.

There is a cornerstone to maintaining a civil society, and we are sorely missing it. America's education, of lack thereof, has damned us all.
 

Viper1j

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Something terrible happened to your great grandfather. That is unfortunate, very unfortunate, and I'm sorry to hear that your family was affected in such a way. I'm happy we're past that time in history and looking to a brighter future. But I'm sorry, I don't agree that you deserve a government payout, I think you deserve the same opportunity and security as everyone else. You should not have to worry about being hurt in a prejudiced hate crime. You should have the same opportunity as anyone else to achieve. We are equals and that's something I argue for, but neither of us deserves privilege or to be held back unfairly.

Again, sorry for your family's loss.

I never speak on issues related to Manzanar, because I had no family that lost their homes, property and lives for the crime of being Japanese. I wouldn't expect that anyone without direct experience on issues of race, slavery, and death would even try to speak on them.
 

Bitek

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Don't Republicans complain that Ds will pass reparations every election?

Yet no serious person ever talks about doing it.

Curious.
 
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