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Moonbeam

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NY Times headline BAGHDAD, Iraq, April 23 ? The American military moved today to strip Baghdad's self-appointed administrator of his authority and warned Iraqi factions not to take advantage of the confusion and the political void in the country by trying to grab power.

Lt. Gen. David McKiernan, the commander of ground forces in Iraq, issued a proclamation putting Iraq's politicians on notice, saying, "The coalition alone retains absolute authority within Iraq." He warned that anyone challenging the American-led authority would be subject to arrest.
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Jesus in Baghdad
Why we should keep Franklin Graham out of Iraq.
By Steven Waldman
Posted Friday, April 11, 2003, at 3:23 PM PT MSNBC


With the exception of his unfortunate post-Sept. 11 call for a "crusade" against terrorism, President George Bush has fashioned his rhetoric about Islam carefully. The administration has scrupulously crafted numerous speeches that make clear that the United States is not making war on Islam, even as it hunts down Osama Bin Laden and invades Iraq.


I believe him: Ever since he was the governor of Texas in the mid-1990s, Bush has been friendly to Muslims and to Islam and has pointedly referred to "churches, synagogues, and mosques" in speeches. But I wouldn't believe Bush if I were a Muslim in the Middle East and saw his attitude toward Franklin Graham.

Franklin Graham is the son of Billy Graham and a far more influential figure in the evangelical Christian community than Jerry Falwell or even Pat Robertson. Graham is viewed as the torch-carrier for his father, who is still among the most beloved figures in American Christianity. Moreover, the Graham family is close to Bush. Billy Graham led Bush to Christianity in the 1980s; Franklin Graham delivered the invocation at his presidential inauguration.

In addition to being publicly allied with the Bush administration, Graham also happens to be stridently anti-Islam. His list of anti-Islam comments is long; his most succinct was that Islam is a "very evil and wicked religion."

Graham is also, he says, "poised and ready" to send representatives of the charity he runs to Iraq as soon as possible. His primary purpose is humanitarian aid?providing food and shelter?but he also admits, "I believe as we work, God will always give us opportunities to tell others about his Son. ? We are there to reach out to love them and to save them, and as a Christian, I do this in the name of Jesus Christ."

Graham is not alone in wanting to work in Iraq. A number of other Christian groups?including the Southern Baptist Convention, the nation's largest Protestant denomination?are packing their bags and heading to Iraq (if they're not already there), equipped with food, shelter, and Bibles. (These well-wishers are not to be confused with an Army chaplain who forced his troops to get baptized if they wanted a bath.)
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Also on the radio: Bushel of lies admin says Iraq needs schools free of religion while Repubs here limit funding to American schools without Jesus.

America promises Iraq universal health care.
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It's a wonderful world. :D
 

Trevelyan

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I don't think it's so bad, as long as there are not groups that only give food/shelter/etc to people who become Christians.

That would NOT be cool. If they want to do it right, they should give out aid/shelter/etc to anyone who needs it, and then let them choose to listen to them or not. If they force it on them, then it's stupid.
 

Zebo

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Money money money munneeey.:music:
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Hey moonie you forgot to read the neocon "Democracy" definition:

de·moc·ra·cy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (d-mkr-s)
n. pl. de·moc·ra·cies

1. Government by the power America, exercised either directly by (bushy) or through elected (by bushy) representatives.
2. A political or social unit that has such a government (based in Jupitor Island, Fl. )
3. The common people, considered as the primary source of political power, (as long as they are US Troops under bushys command. )
4. Majority rule (of Majors).
5. The principles of social equality and respect for the individual within a community (of NYSE traded oil stocks).
 

Moonbeam

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Yup, I'm burried by life and have had little time of late to edumacate meself on da factoids a da news.
 

syzygy

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Time to free the people of Iran
since when do you care about the iranian people.

at least allow some time for your love of the hapless iraqi people to mature before you start with those silly iranians.
 

LilBlinbBlahIce

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Originally posted by: syzygy
Time to free the people of Iran
since when do you care about the iranian people.

at least allow some time for your love of the hapless iraqi people to mature before you start with those silly iranians.

Haha.

If Graham wants to give humanitarian aid, more power to him. But if he's there on a crusade to convert people from "an evil religion" (as he refers to Islam) to Christianity, he or anyone affiliated to him, should not be allowed within 1000 miles of Iraq. The Iraqi's are skeptical of our intentions (as they should be), this would play right in to their worst fears.
 

JellyBaby

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No one claimed the democratization of Iraq would occur overnight. In fact, no one made any claims at all, really. Get used to a military presense there; it will be many long years if ever before we see a complete withdrawl.

As for christian missionaries, they were destined to flock to the potential flocks in Iraq. Spreading the Word is a cornerstone of South Baptists in particular. I'm not sure now is the best timing for such work but I suspect they would tell me it's always the best time. Now if the State was funding Graham 2.0 that's another story...
 

Moonbeam

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We don't really know the future, Jelly. We could be out of there in months. Who knows?
 

LunarRay

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Seems counter intuitive to involve non Islamic religious folks in the invading Iraq scenerio... do they hope to convert? Does no one fear the accidental setting off of the WMD thingys... I don't get it .... guess I'm thick.