Delphi Chairman Comes Out Swinging.....

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TROY -- Delphi Corp. Chairman Robert S. "Steve" Miller made a fiery defense Wednesday of his decision to take the auto-parts giant into bankruptcy and warned the company's 33,000 union workers to expect huge pay cuts by early next year.

In a tense press conference, Miller acknowledged for the first time the angry reaction from the United Auto Workers and other unions to his demands of 60 percent wage cuts at dozens of factories across the United States.

But the 63-year-old Miller bluntly repeated that he expected the UAW to agree to dramatic reductions in wages and benefits by mid-December, or he may ask the U.S. Bankruptcy Court to reject the current union contracts.

"Paying $65 an hour for someone mowing the lawn at one of our plants is just not going to cut it anywhere in industrial America for very long," Miller said, referring to the average combined wages, benefits and pensions of an hourly Delphi worker.


He also lashed out at a wave of criticism -- led by UAW President Ron Gettelfinger and Gov. Jennifer Granholm -- of Delphi's move to sweeten executive severance agreements just before Saturday's bankruptcy filing.

"Some people insist that fairness requires that we slash wages across the board," Miller said. "Well, I'm sorry. ... There are large disparities in this country and around the world in what people can expect for mowing a lawn versus managing a huge business."

Miller said he believed Granholm "did not fully understand" that the severance deals were necessary to prevent executives and top managers from quitting for other jobs.

"We are in a market for human capital," he said. "If you pay too much for a particular class of employee, you go broke. You pay too little, and you won't have anyone left to do the work."

Granholm spokeswoman Liz Boyd said Wednesday that the "governor stands behind her comments. I think the governor was very clear."

Miller also defended his $3 million signing bonus to join Delphi, "to replace all the other stream of income I was asked to give up." He said he expected to take a cut in his $1.5 million annual salary as part of the restructuring.


With extraordinary candor for a Fortune 500 chief executive, Miller said he did not fear a potential strike by the UAW because it would only make the restructuring of Delphi's U.S. operations harsher.

"I believe the United Auto Workers has competent, adult, honest leadership," he said. "Absolutely nothing can be gained from a strike at any Delphi facility other than to hasten and expand the number of plants that might have to be closed."

There was no immediate comment from the UAW on Miller's remarks.

"We're going to do everything we possibly can to protect the interests of UAW Delphi workers and their families," UAW spokesman Paul Krell said in a statement.

A Delphi worker in Kettering, Ohio, said workers are well aware of their options if the court imposes major wage cuts.

"I think a strike would be a last resort," said Gene Collins, a 57-year-old skilled tradesman. "But if they bring anything back where the wages are cut, we're going to tell them to shove it."

Delphi has 44 manufacturing plants in the United States, where hourly workers earn from $25 to 30 an hour, plus health care and pensions, to produce a wide range of parts for General Motors Corp., its largest customer, and other automakers.

Delphi employs 50,000 people in the United States and 18,000 workers worldwide, with 65,000 employees in Mexico.

None of Delphi's non-U.S. operations is included in the Chapter 11 filing, which ranks as the largest industrial bankruptcy in American history.

While Miller spoke glowingly of Delphi's post-bankruptcy future as a global power in automotive technology, he said lower-tech hardware and parts will be made by workers in Asia and elsewhere.

"(Parts) where there is a thousand of them in a box ... those things will come from China and India," he said.


A veteran of bankruptcies at the Southfield auto supplier Federal Mogul Corp. and Bethlehem Steel, Miller said he was eager to begin negotiations with the UAW and other unions.

He said he expects to make an initial proposal by next week, but gave no indication he has changed his earlier demands for wages as low as $10-12 an hour.

"Today, we are paying double, triple more for hourly labor compared to what prevails in the marketplace," Miller said. "No business can survive doing that."

U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Robert Drain on Tuesday gave Delphi and its unions until mid-December to negotiate labor contracts. If they fail to reach a deal, Miller can ask the court to reject the current pacts and impose employment agreements.

On Monday, a UAW newsletter circulating in Lockport, N.Y., suggested that members should "prepare for (the) possibility" of a strike if talks break down.

Miller said he believes he can get a deal at the bargaining table with the UAW and the International Electrical Workers union.

"Nobody may like it in the end, but in the end they will do it, and they will do it the right way," he said.

The bespectacled Miller grew testy when he described the news coverage of the severance packages, but seemed affected personally by the stinging remarks of Gettelfinger and the UAW rank-and-file.

"They pursued the American dream, and globalization has swept over them," he said. "They are extremely angry, and they look at me. I understand it, and I forgive it."

But Miller said he is speaking "basic truths" about the impact of globalization on the wages and living standards of American autoworkers.

"Well, people don't want to hear it," he said.

"But I'm going to do what it takes to lead a restructuring of this company and perhaps this industry, or I wouldn't have bothered to show up." http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0510/13/A01-347304.htm
 

Ryan

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Hell yeah - FSCK UAW! I'm all for keeping jobs in america, but if it has to happen to weaken the UAW, I'm all for it.
 

kranky

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The writing is on the wall for manufacturing companies. That stuff is going to be imported, and we'll save a buck while losing additional thousands of jobs.

They can go on strike, they can do whatever they want, but it's not going to change things. Either US manufacturing workers can agree to work for a lot less money and keep their jobs, or they can refuse and have no jobs. That's the way things are going, sadly.
 

Red Dawn

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So Miller wants to cut their wage/benefits from $65 to $26 an hour? I'd tell him to shove it too. I can understand a cut in wage/benefits if the company is losing money but not something as outrageous as that. Maybe 25% max but that'd be it. If a 25% cut doesn't work for the company then those running the company are the ones who fscked up not the workers.
 

kranky

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
If a 25% cut doesn't work for the company then those running the company are the ones who fscked up not the workers.

Not necessarily true, Red. I know a guy who owns a machine shop in Michigan. His two major competitors get most of their work done in China. He doesn't.

The competitors have 3-5 employees, he has 20. The competitors' costs are about 50% less because they import the work. He only is successful on short-run, need-it-today jobs, while any large jobs (very profitable) go to his competitors since he can't match their price. He can either cut wages, send the work to China, close down the business, or sell it. He's going to close the business. It has nothing to do with how the company is run.
 

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Originally posted by: kranky
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
If a 25% cut doesn't work for the company then those running the company are the ones who fscked up not the workers.

Not necessarily true, Red. I know a guy who owns a machine shop in Michigan. His two major competitors get most of their work done in China. He doesn't.

The competitors have 3-5 employees, he has 20. The competitors' costs are about 50% less because they import the work. He only is successful on short-run, need-it-today jobs, while any large jobs (very profitable) go to his competitors since he can't match their price. He can either cut wages, send the work to China, close down the business, or sell it. He's going to close the business. It has nothing to do with how the company is run.
You mean it's not always true as in your friends case.

I think if they are going to cut wage/benefits that much they might as well close up shop because those who decide to stay on will be extremely disgruntled and non productive, it's just human nature.
 

PingSpike

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I agree with the Delphi chairman's points, the UAW is still stuck in the 1970s and it just costs to much to pay people to do that relatively unskilled labor.

Red also has a point though, whether he's right or not is irrelevant...those workers want their fat pay checks that they've always had, in spite of the completely different market they are in.

"I think a strike would be a last resort," said Gene Collins, a 57-year-old skilled tradesman. "But if they bring anything back where the wages are cut, we're going to tell them to shove it."

Anything where the wages are cut? They won't even consider the idea, which sounds like more of the same from the UAW. There will be strikes, because I don't see either side backing down. Although in the end, people need jobs and I think the chairman knows this. Hell, I think he expects it and almost welcomes the challenge from the sound of him. It will be interesting to see where things turn out.
 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
So Miller wants to cut their wage/benefits from $65 to $26 an hour? I'd tell him to shove it too. I can understand a cut in wage/benefits if the company is losing money but not something as outrageous as that. Maybe 25% max but that'd be it. If a 25% cut doesn't work for the company then those running the company are the ones who fscked up not the workers.


What, you mean the people that run the company should be held accountable? No way. lets blame the guy who mows the lawn, yea its his fault for bad Mgt.

 

FeuerFrei

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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
So Miller wants to cut their wage/benefits from $65 to $26 an hour? I'd tell him to shove it too. I can understand a cut in wage/benefits if the company is losing money but not something as outrageous as that. Maybe 25% max but that'd be it. If a 25% cut doesn't work for the company then those running the company are the ones who fscked up not the workers.


What, you mean the people that run the company should be held accountable? No way. lets blame the guy who mows the lawn, yea its his fault for bad Mgt.
Yeah, management did fck up by making concessions to the unions. I think in this particular case, management is getting fed up with ludicrous wages. They are trying to extract their balls from the union's vice. The unions fscked up the company, and now their members have to pay. They have to climb off the gravy train. Yes, that is a ridiculous pay cut, but it's necessary. Whether they can swallow it or not is another story.

 

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Originally posted by: FeuerFrei
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
So Miller wants to cut their wage/benefits from $65 to $26 an hour? I'd tell him to shove it too. I can understand a cut in wage/benefits if the company is losing money but not something as outrageous as that. Maybe 25% max but that'd be it. If a 25% cut doesn't work for the company then those running the company are the ones who fscked up not the workers.


What, you mean the people that run the company should be held accountable? No way. lets blame the guy who mows the lawn, yea its his fault for bad Mgt.
Yeah, management did fck up by making concessions to the unions. I think in this particular case, management is getting fed up with ludicrous wages. They are trying to extract their balls from the union's vice. The unions fscked up the company, and now their members have to pay. They have to climb off the gravy train. Yes, that is a ridiculous pay cut, but it's necessary. Whether they can swallow it or not is another story.


Well don;t ask for a 60% pay cut then turn around and pad the upper boss's severance package and bonus, which is what they did.
Sorry but Mgt got them in this, so why are they and everybody else blaming the guy that JUST mows the lawn?

 

ATLien247

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Should wages be cut and UAW is unable to do anything about, while it sucks for the current employees, I bet Delphi would have no problem finding new U.S. employees willing to work for $10-12/hour.
 

PingSpike

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The $10-12...smells like a negotiating tactic to me. You always ask for more then you really need to get.
 

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Nobody is innocent in this one. UAW artificially increased wages right beyond reasonable into "you have to be fking kidding me". Management increasing their salaries while asking for monster paycuts from the working class ? Brilliant..

And this guy
"I think a strike would be a last resort," said Gene Collins, a 57-year-old skilled tradesman. "But if they bring anything back where the wages are cut, we're going to tell them to shove it."

The only thing he is gonna be shoving is fries into a vat of oil if they collectively have that attitude. No flexibility at all ? Go ahead and strike the jobs right out of the country.

Then again, the attitude is somewhat justified by the timing of the raises that came out for the people up top.

It seems like everyone is working against each other and logic. Sounds like the whole industry needs a douche. * used as a Verb not Adjective ;) *


 

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Originally posted by: Ryan
Hell yeah - FSCK UAW! I'm all for keeping jobs in america, but if it has to happen to weaken the UAW, I'm all for it.

Chrysler is doing just fine with the UAW, its Delphi Managements own fault
 

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Originally posted by: Chadder007
Originally posted by: Ryan
Hell yeah - FSCK UAW! I'm all for keeping jobs in america, but if it has to happen to weaken the UAW, I'm all for it.

Chrysler is doing just fine with the UAW, its Delphi Managements own fault


Yep. Like others have pointed out, Mgt wants the employees to take a 60% pay cut then turns around and pads their own wallets. I mean, what kind of manager does that... oh wait, one that runs a company into the ground and blames the guy cutting grass. :confused:

 

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If you want to stop the exportation of jobs, push for the implementation of the Fair Tax. It completely eliminates taxes for corporations (which consumers, customers, and employees end up paying anyways) and reduces company's costs of tax compliance. That would be a boon for American businesses and bring back companies that have setup shop overseas so they can be competitive.

 

PingSpike

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Originally posted by: Chadder007
Originally posted by: Ryan
Hell yeah - FSCK UAW! I'm all for keeping jobs in america, but if it has to happen to weaken the UAW, I'm all for it.

Chrysler is doing just fine with the UAW, its Delphi Managements own fault

Didn't Chrysler also go virtually bankrupt in the early 1980s and dump a lot of their union obligations either on the government or all together?
 

shilala

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Did EVERYBODY here miss this...

Miller also defended his $3 million signing bonus to join Delphi, "to replace all the other stream of income I was asked to give up." He said he expected to take a cut in his $1.5 million annual salary as part of the restructuring.

Miller: You shouldn't earn $65 and hour for cutting grass, but I should make $750 an hour plus for running a major corporation into bankruptcy.

Me: Go sit down, Bob, before I slap that stupid cocksvcker off your face.

 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: shilala
Did EVERYBODY here miss this...

Miller also defended his $3 million signing bonus to join Delphi, "to replace all the other stream of income I was asked to give up." He said he expected to take a cut in his $1.5 million annual salary as part of the restructuring.

Miller: You shouldn't earn $65 and hour for cutting grass, but I should make $750 an hour plus for running a major corporation into bankruptcy.

Me: Go sit down, Bob, before I slap that stupid cocksvcker off your face.


shhh.. don't go around using all them facts to confuse the union haters here. ;)

 

shilala

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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: shilala
Did EVERYBODY here miss this...

Miller also defended his $3 million signing bonus to join Delphi, "to replace all the other stream of income I was asked to give up." He said he expected to take a cut in his $1.5 million annual salary as part of the restructuring.

Miller: You shouldn't earn $65 and hour for cutting grass, but I should make $750 an hour plus for running a major corporation into bankruptcy.

Me: Go sit down, Bob, before I slap that stupid cocksvcker off your face.


shhh.. don't go around using all them facts to confuse the union haters here. ;)
I'm about as pro-labor as a person can get.
I can listen to most any pro-business argument.
I can't listen to that shyt.

Sooner or later the young gentlemen here will learn that you either support labor, or you support Bob filling his pockets.

I understand the $65 an hour grass cutter argument. It's a ridiculous expense.
That position didn't fall out of the sky though. It was negotiated and accepted by the likes of Bob.

Which is the greater evil?
The $65 an hour going to some shlonk with 5 kids, or Bob's salary going to $815 an hour?

I'd much rather see it go to some jackoff like me who wipes his nose on his sleeve and seldom makes it to work on time.

The money exists. How it's divided is what's at stake.
Without reservation, in every instance, I'd like to see it end up in the hands of the people rather than owners or management.
I'd rather see it in Goose's hands, Hevnsnt's hands, Mx2times hands, or any one of you before it lands in Bob's. I don't care if you're mowing grass, spooning mashed potatoes onto prisoner's plates, washing the cum stained sheets at Motel Six, or writing code for parking meters.
I think Bob's doing okay already.


 

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Originally posted by: shilala
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: shilala
Did EVERYBODY here miss this...

Miller also defended his $3 million signing bonus to join Delphi, "to replace all the other stream of income I was asked to give up." He said he expected to take a cut in his $1.5 million annual salary as part of the restructuring.

Miller: You shouldn't earn $65 and hour for cutting grass, but I should make $750 an hour plus for running a major corporation into bankruptcy.

Me: Go sit down, Bob, before I slap that stupid cocksvcker off your face.


shhh.. don't go around using all them facts to confuse the union haters here. ;)
I'm about as pro-labor as a person can get.
I can listen to most any pro-business argument.
I can't listen to that shyt.

Sooner or later the young gentlemen here will learn that you either support labor, or you support Bob filling his pockets.
bob wouldn't be working there if he wasn't paid that much. delphi wanted someone who would be hard nosed in bankruptcy, and it seems this guy is pretty much tops for that.

 

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My uncle works for a company called Harrison Radiators which is affiliated with Deplphi somehow. He retires next year. Hopefully he'll be able to keep his benefits without the company going under. The whole deal Delphi scenerio is making quite a deal here, locally.
 

shilala

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: shilala
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: shilala
Did EVERYBODY here miss this...

Miller also defended his $3 million signing bonus to join Delphi, "to replace all the other stream of income I was asked to give up." He said he expected to take a cut in his $1.5 million annual salary as part of the restructuring.

Miller: You shouldn't earn $65 and hour for cutting grass, but I should make $750 an hour plus for running a major corporation into bankruptcy.

Me: Go sit down, Bob, before I slap that stupid cocksvcker off your face.


shhh.. don't go around using all them facts to confuse the union haters here. ;)
I'm about as pro-labor as a person can get.
I can listen to most any pro-business argument.
I can't listen to that shyt.

Sooner or later the young gentlemen here will learn that you either support labor, or you support Bob filling his pockets.
bob wouldn't be working there if he wasn't paid that much. delphi wanted someone who would be hard nosed in bankruptcy, and it seems this guy is pretty much tops for that.

Quite frankly, they could have hired you at $250,000 and garnered the same effect.
I'm guessing with that salary and a bonus of a case of beer and a hooker you'd be able to get the job done just as effectively, if not a whole lot better.
 

Triumph

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Originally posted by: shilala
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: shilala
Did EVERYBODY here miss this...

Miller also defended his $3 million signing bonus to join Delphi, "to replace all the other stream of income I was asked to give up." He said he expected to take a cut in his $1.5 million annual salary as part of the restructuring.

Miller: You shouldn't earn $65 and hour for cutting grass, but I should make $750 an hour plus for running a major corporation into bankruptcy.

Me: Go sit down, Bob, before I slap that stupid cocksvcker off your face.


shhh.. don't go around using all them facts to confuse the union haters here. ;)
I'm about as pro-labor as a person can get.
I can listen to most any pro-business argument.
I can't listen to that shyt.

Sooner or later the young gentlemen here will learn that you either support labor, or you support Bob filling his pockets.

I understand the $65 an hour grass cutter argument. It's a ridiculous expense.
That position didn't fall out of the sky though. It was negotiated and accepted by the likes of Bob.

Which is the greater evil?
The $65 an hour going to some shlonk with 5 kids, or Bob's salary going to $815 an hour?

I'd much rather see it go to some jackoff like me who wipes his nose on his sleeve and seldom makes it to work on time.

The money exists. How it's divided is what's at stake.
Without reservation, in every instance, I'd like to see it end up in the hands of the people rather than owners or management.
I'd rather see it in Goose's hands, Hevnsnt's hands, Mx2times hands, or any one of you before it lands in Bob's. I don't care if you're mowing grass, spooning mashed potatoes onto prisoner's plates, washing the cum stained sheets at Motel Six, or writing code for parking meters.
I think Bob's doing okay already.

You're a communist, Shilala, plain and simple. And I'm not using that term as an insulting cop-out. I'm using that term according to its definition. You want everyone to own the means of production. You're espousing classical Marxism. Well you're certainly free to think that way, but again you'll be alot happier if you move to another country where they believe that sh!t.