Dell's new Ultrasharp U3011

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Compddd

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What are the advantages of the U3011 over the U2701? It says the 3011 has an IPS panel, and 2701 has an H-IPS panel....
 
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Very promising. If LG.Display is still making 30-inch IPS panels, I wonder why Apple abandoned the format.

The big news is that it's a 10-bit panel. Of course, I believe initial reports predicted a 10-bit panel for the Dell U2410, but it turned out to be an 8-bit panel with a 10-bit LUT. I suppose this means the colour will be wide-gamut.

I'd rather take a 10-bit panel over LED backlighting any day. Wish there 10-bit 24-inch IPS displays -- other than the very costly NECs.
 
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Winterpool said:
Very promising. If LG.Display is still making 30-inch IPS panels, I wonder why Apple abandoned the format.

The big news is that it's a 10-bit panel. Of course, I believe initial reports predicted a 10-bit panel for the Dell U2410, but it turned out to be an 8-bit panel with a 10-bit LUT.
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No, it's 10bit input and 12bit processing. Wide gamut and all.
 
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Nice screen, but it doesn't offer enough to make me switch from my 3007. Also, the input lag is still too high for my liking.
 
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bunnyfubbles

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LED backlight ins't worth it unless its RGB LED back lighting which would easily push the price above $2000.

As a U2711 owner I can vouch that CCFL can definitely provide a more than satisfactory performance.
 
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BlahBlahYouToo

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bunnyfubbles said:
LED backlight ins't worth it unless its RGB LED back lighting which would easily push the price above $2000.

As a U2711 owner I can vouch that CCFL can definitely provide a more than satisfactory performance.
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sure it does, but it also doubles as a space heater and does a number to my electric bill.
 
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just oc your cpu and gpu some more, then you won't even notice the extra from the monitor. ;)
 
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Reading TFT Central again, I see the U3011 is to include an 8-bit+AFRC panel... I think that's 8-bit + a sort of dithering to display what could look like 10-bit colour. Feel free to correct me if I misunderstand the specs or AFRC.

Punters on Hard|Forum appears to confirm this -- and that no consumer monitor (not even NEC) uses true 10-bit panels. Oh well.
 
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Compddd said:
Does that mean its even better than he thought?
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Well if wide gamut is really better for you, depends on your situation - most probably if you've got no idea what it's all about you won't notice any difference (and get all the disadvantages of it nevertheless). Other than that the U2410 is still a great monitor nevertheless.. although its anti-glare coating is a bit annoying for whites.
 
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bunnyfubbles

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BlahBlahYouToo said:
sure it does, but it also doubles as a space heater and does a number to my electric bill.
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lol, right, cost of operation is what, like $12 a year?

Yeah, I'll have a new monitor years if not decades before the potential cost savings of a potential LED set offsets the initial cost.

And as far as heat output, that doesn't touch the output of a modern workstation / gaming rig connected to the monitor.

Try again.
 
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I was researching U3011 but my understanding is that for PC gaming (no console gaming) HP ZR30W is better than U3011.
 
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Ehh?
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I'm looking to upgrade to a 30" and I was leaning towards the U3011 vs U2711, but then I was told that if I'm not playing console gaming (XBOX or PS3) that the best monitor is the HP ZR30W. From the info I have gathered, both monitors have same specs except DELL U3011 has scaling, OSD & more inputs.

Below are differences for HP...

No Scaling - HP uses the scalar engine in the graphics cards to push pixels on the panel's native 2560x1600 resolution, and because all graphics card come with a scalar engine. I suppose this means less input lag ?

No OSD - HP has lower latency from the graphics card to the LCD, and lower costs for the consumer

Less Inputs - If you don't do any console gaming, any reason why u need inputs other than DisplayPort & DVI ?

This is the info I have gathered but I may be incorrect but comments are welcomed.

So if this is the case... any reason why pay over $300 for a DELL ?
 
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T2k

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Good God... are you running your LCD in anything other than native resolution when playing a game? You don't scale anyway, don't you think?
Signal might goes through some extra circuits but if anyone claims they see the difference that's complete and utter BS especially in the craptastic, often capped but always inherently broken console gaming.
I'd wager a very serious bet that I'll beat their @sses in any FPS on either U2410 or U2711 while they are using ZR30W.

BTW let me know how BIOS works on these HP's, I never tried to tweak my BIOS on a single monitor with no scaler...
 
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BlahBlahYouToo

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T2k said:
Good God... are you running your LCD in anything other than native resolution when playing a game? You don't scale anyway, don't you think?
Signal might goes through some extra circuits but if anyone claims they see the difference that's complete and utter BS especially in the craptastic, often capped but always inherently broken console gaming.
I'd wager a very serious bet that I'll beat their @sses in any FPS on either U2410 or U2711 while they are using ZR30W.

BTW let me know how BIOS works on these HP's, I never tried to tweak my BIOS on a single monitor with no scaler...
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uhhh, it's pretty easy to show that a scaler introduces input lag to the monitor.
even a few ms of difference is easily felt to a hardcore gamer.
 
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T2k

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BlahBlahYouToo said:
uhhh, it's pretty easy to show that a scaler introduces input lag to the monitor.
even a few ms of difference is easily felt to a hardcore gamer.
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Notice that I said see the difference, not show... I play less often, only few times a week but I used to play exclusively FPS and very competitively for year and never had a problem with it.
As I said I think it's farce story, this scare about scaler adding lag... in reality it amounts to nothing.
If I fail it's because I suck as a player, not because of the scaler added lag. :cool:
 
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Honestly, I don't have an issue paying a little more for DELL if image quality is better.... but my understanding is that they have the same specs hence I'll assume that image quality is the same... So why pay more if image is the same and possibly less input lag ?
 
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bunnyfubbles said:
And as far as heat output, that doesn't touch the output of a modern workstation / gaming rig connected to the monitor.
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No kidding. Now with the pair of GTX 460s in my rig, when I'm gaming and they're getting near 200F, the heat just pours out of the case. My rig is next to a window that gets really cold in the winter, so I'm actually looking forward to having an under-desk space heater/gaming PC.
 
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