Dell xps generation 4

[smittyc]

just joined here but have followed for alongtime. Is this a decent deal? I can take another $170 off the bill that shows for a total of 3181.67. Was going to build my own and after pricing can build a a64 for about the same price with the dfi board and a 3500 but i'm not going to be able to set the bios options seems there is alot of adjusting to do before things run right. I want to be able to play games and do video editing with my trail camera and the my girls will use it to burn cd's and college homework. So can i go wrong with this....

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Dimension XPS Gen4
Date & Time: April 06, 2005 2:10:52 PM

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Dimension XPS Gen4 Qty 1
Pentium® 4 Processor 650 with HT Technology (3.40GHz, 800 FSB), Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition Unit Price $4,386.00
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Catalog Number: 29

Module Description Product Code Sku Id
Dell Dimension XPS Series - Gen 4 Pentium® 4 Processor 650 with HT Technology (3.40GHz, 800 FSB) M650H [221-8098] 1
Operating System Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition WHXP [313-7222][412-0688][420-4927][412-0749][420-5101][412-0721][420-4938] 11
Memory FREE UPGRADE! 1GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 533MHz (2x512M) 1GB5P [463-6199] 3
Keyboard Dell Wireless Keyboard and Optical Mouse WIREKM [310-4164] 4
Monitors 24 inch UltraSharp? 2405FPW Widescreen Digital Flat Panel 2405WFP [320-4241] 5
Video Card 256MB PCI Express? x16 (DVI/VGA/TV-out) ATI Radeon? X850 XT PE X850XT [320-4208] 6
Hard Drive 320GB Performance RAID 0 (2 x 160GB SATA HDDs w/ Native Command Queuing) 320R0 [341-1590] 8
Floppy Drive and Additional Storage Devices 3.5 in Floppy Drive FD [340-1927] 10
Mouse Mouse included in Dell Wireless Package N [310-1966] 12
Network Interface Integrated Gigabit Ethernet IN [430-0742] 13
Modem No Modem Requested N [313-3607] 14
Adobe Software Adobe® Acrobat® Reader 6.0 AAREAD [412-0705] 15
CD or DVD Drive Dual Drives: 48x CD-RW Drive + 16x DVD+/-RW w/ double layer write capable CDR6DVR [313-2998][420-5079] 16
Sound Cards Sound Blaster Audigy? 2 ZS (D) Card w/Dolby 5.1, IEEE 1394 capability SBA2X [313-3114] 17
Speakers Dell 5650 5.1 Surround Sound Speaker System with Subwoofer D5650 [313-2246] 18
Productivity Software WordPerfect®, Powerful Word Processing CORELM [412-0701] 22
2nd Hard Drive 160GB Serial ATA Hard Drive (7200RPM) w/ Native Command Queuing 160SB [341-1588] 23
Security Software No Security Subscription NS2 [412-0754] 25
Digital Music Dell Jukebox - easy-to-use music player and CD burning software MMBASE [412-0741] 27
Digital Photography Photo Album? SE Basic DPS [412-0744] 28
Limited Warranty, Services and Support Options SAVE $60 (after rebate) 4Yr Ltd Warr, 4Yr At-Home plus nights and weekends QPRO4OS [950-7447][412-0359][900-3963][902-5560][900-9773][960-2800][981-6897] 29
Premier Warranty Support Dimension XPS, Specialized Support XPSSUPP [960-2697] 31
Internet Access Services 6 Months of America Online Membership Included AOLDHS [412-0585][412-0625][412-0687][420-3224] 37
Miscellaneous Award Winning Service and Support XPS3SAP [463-5453] 82
Financial Software No QuickBooks package selected- Includes limited use trial QBSSP [420-5139] 83

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TOTAL: $3,124.20

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[sharkeeper]

Welcome!

You better buy some Nomex.

 

[dullard]

Welcome to Anandtech.

Many of those parts you listed are a waste for the vast majority of users. So unless you are an extreme case, you are wasting money buying stuff you won't fully utilize. But I doubt I can convince you of that. And you might be the very rare person who fits into that extreme situation.

So at least take a look at here: Dell Deals. A $300 off coupon is listed there.

 

[necine]

With 3,000 you can do soooo much more.

 

[Googer]

Dude we aint getting a Dell.

Most of the people on this forum build their own PC's and GENERALY are not fans of DELL. You could get a better system one of two ways that i know work very well.
[*] Call dell and tell them you have some bettter offers and you are considering building a similar or slightly faster system on your own for a bit le$$ ca$h than what they want to charge. The DELL sales person should drop the price and throw in some harware upgrades to sweeten the deal. I personaly know someone who did this, she saw an ad for a $499 system with a 2.4ghz celeron and 256mb of ram. She told them she had an IT worker offer to build her a faster machine for about that price. Well a few weeks later she calls me and says her new PC has just arived from DELL and I am thinking to my self "oh my they just sent her a Celeron with 256mb! SH*T) But when I see the sales receipt IT turns out to be a 2.6 P4 on an 865 with 512mb ram and the monitor was upgraded to an LCD and shipped to her home for $550. Dell will do almost anything to make a sale and prevent the customer from considering to the competition.

She told DELL that she needed a 56k modem and the machine did not arive with one and was not on the invoice. So she called them back and the rep had no knowlege or record of it on the original order so they fedex'd (overnight) her one free of charge!

[*] the second way to get a faster machine for less is to build it yourself. If you don't know how then spend 2 weeks at the library and learn, also people here at Forums.anandtech.com are usaly more than willing to help (if you ignore some of the critisim and insults that a few noobs call other noobs)

 

[Googer]

For 3k if you realy insist on a good game machine then look a polywell, they offer a powerfull machine that blows the doors of XPS

Polywell- Poly 939-fx55: The power gamers machine on a budget $2995
http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,119843,findid,46714,00.asp

 

[kini62]

As you can see I am one of the few who post here regularly that has a Dell. And I'm very,very happy with it. I think that price with the 24 inch monitor is a good deal. Others here who build there own fail to see that the price includes a $800 monitor and a $500 video card.

Only thing I would change is the 160gb raid. Use a single 160gb NCQ for your main drive and get another big drive for storage. I think raid, especially raid 0, is a waste for home users. Raid 1, if you want peace of mind, but you can also do regular data back up on your 2nd drive or DVD.

I say, go for it and join the ranks of the ridiculed and berated Dell owners on this forum. Don't let the do it yourselfers talk you into something you don't want to do.

 

[Googer]

The XPS Line is way overpriced, you can get a 3.6ghz (vs 3.4 XPS) P4 Dimension 8400 for 2799 with an ATI x800XT.

I managed to configure one with 2.6ghz 1gb dual chanel ram (more is better for VIDEO editing), Audigy Sound card, 500gb Raid 0, XP Professional, Word Perfect Suite (better than MS Office, Trust me), Klipsch 5.1 Speakers , and a Geforce 6800 ultra for $2,346

enter this to view.
DELL E-Value Code: 6V658 - D84SAP

 

[smittyc]

For those that thought i had overkill i made some changes. Then after configuring it online i called dell, the price was $2847 after some discussion they offered $2600 shipped and upgraded the 3.2 to a 3.6 processor. Like to know if you guys think this is any better? I have configured and no way can i buy a comparable machine at newegg with the xt850 pe and the 2405 included. Seems alot of dell haters and thats ok with me. If this machine was just for me i would take a chance with my first build of the a64 but my wife and kids will kill me if i can't get it running!


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Dimension XPS Gen4
Date & Time: April 06, 2005 7:32:45 PM

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Dimension XPS Gen4 Qty 1
Pentium® 4 Processor 640 with HT Technology (3.20GHz, 800 FSB), Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition Unit Price $3,837.00
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Catalog Number: 29
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Module Description Product Code Sku Id
Dell Dimension XPS Series - Gen 4 Pentium® 4 Processor 640 with HT Technology (3.20GHz, 800 FSB) M640H [221-8099] 1
Operating System Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition WHXP [313-7222][412-0688][420-4927][412-0749][420-5101][412-0721][420-4938] 11
Memory FREE UPGRADE! 1GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 533MHz (2x512M) 1GB5P [463-6199] 3
Keyboard Dell Wireless Keyboard and Optical Mouse WIREKM [310-4164] 4
Monitors 24 inch UltraSharp? 2405FPW Widescreen Digital Flat Panel 2405WFP [320-4241] 5
Video Card 256MB PCI Express? x16 (DVI/VGA/TV-out) ATI Radeon? X850 XT PE X850XT [320-4208] 6
Hard Drive 160GB Serial ATA Hard Drive (7200RPM) w/ Native Command Queuing 160S [341-1587] 8
Floppy Drive and Additional Storage Devices 3.5 in Floppy Drive FD [340-1927] 10
Mouse Mouse included in Dell Wireless Package N [310-1966] 12
Network Interface Integrated Gigabit Ethernet IN [430-0742] 13
Modem No Modem Requested N [313-3607] 14
Adobe Software Adobe® Acrobat® Reader 6.0 AAREAD [412-0705] 15
CD or DVD Drive Dual Drives: 48x CD-RW Drive + 16x DVD+/-RW w/ double layer write capable CDR6DVR [313-2998][420-5079] 16
Sound Cards Sound Blaster Audigy? 2 ZS (D) Card w/Dolby 5.1, IEEE 1394 capability SBA2X [313-3114] 17
Speakers Dell 5650 5.1 Surround Sound Speaker System with Subwoofer D5650 [313-2246] 18
Productivity Software WordPerfect®, Powerful Word Processing CORELM [412-0701] 22
2nd Hard Drive 160GB Serial ATA Hard Drive (7200RPM) w/ Native Command Queuing 160SB [341-1588] 23
Security Software No Security Subscription NS2 [412-0754] 25
Digital Music Dell Jukebox - easy-to-use music player and CD burning software MMBASE [412-0741] 27
Digital Photography Photo Album? SE Basic DPS [412-0744] 28
Limited Warranty, Services and Support Options No Extended Service, Support or Ltd Warranty NW111D [950-1260][950-3337][950-9797][412-0360][960-2800] 29
Premier Warranty Support Dimension XPS, Specialized Support XPSSUPP [960-2697] 31
Internet Access Services 6 Months of America Online Membership Included AOLDHS [412-0585][412-0625][412-0687][420-3224] 37
Miscellaneous Award Winning Service and Support DXPS3L1 [463-5452] 82
Financial Software No QuickBooks package selected- Includes limited use trial QBSSP [420-5139] 83
TOTAL: $2,685.90

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Total Price
Sub-total $2,685.90

Shipping & Handling $99.00

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Tax $161.16

Total Price $2,847.06

 

[tren001]

As a very recent Dell owner, I second Googer's opinion of 8400 over the XPS equaling great savings, especially since the 8400 regularly has big sales including rebates, free RAM, free LCD, etc.

Haven't owned my Dell for long, but has been fairly happy with it. Here are my views on owning a Dell: Pro - if something goes wrong, call them and demand a fix and they will generally do what you want -> Con - 2 days after this call, Dell will promptly forget everything they've promised, causing you to call them again to demand your fix, at which point they actually do what you want. That has been my experience anyway, but at least they'll eventually do everything you want.

As to 8400 versus XPS, I really don't think the shiny case design is worth the extra money. Although the XPS also may have a better motherboard, the only thing I don't like about my 8400 is that it only has ONE ide port, so you hook up your DVD drive and your burner, and you're full, with no space for an IDE hard drive.

The final advantage of building your own system is you can get a nice light aluminum case. The clamshell dell cases, although easy to open and having an understated style, are heavy as s--t.

 

[jamesbond007]

I'm a proud Dell owner. At the time, I couldn't build a comparable system for the price I got it for. I didn't have anything to build, test, or configure when I got my computer in the mail, unlike building my own like I normally do. Don't get me wrong, I love building systems as it is a second job that keeps me very busy, but it was a nice feeling to be on the receiving end of a build. One thing I decided to change was my RAID0 into a RAID1 array. This way, I have more peace and mind for my long-term backups and archiving of photos, music, and other personal data. I suggest you go here and check out the coupons that you can apply to your order. I saved $1100 with one! If you're familiar with system upgrades and repairs, I would suggest you get only a 1 year minimum warranty as the additional years add on a hefty price tag. In 2 years time, I'm sure all current DVDRW drives will be 'obsolete' and if it dies, then I'd just replace it with whatever is new at the time.

To check out my Dell system, click here

Many have wondered what the insides of a Gen4 look like. Well, I took some pics a while back and here they are!

Click me!

Good luck! :thumbsup:

 

[NightCrawler]

Many have wondered what the insides of a Gen4 look like. Well, I took some pics a while back and here they are!

At least the heatsink is decent.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Dell is not worth it. If you know anything about PC's and can trouble shoot on your own... you can save tons of money by building it yourself. Or you could use that money to make the computer even better.

That system is not worth it. From a lot of our perspective a lot of the Dells are not worth it for the home power user/enthusiast. (Business is another story)

-Kevin

 

[Praytus]

Check out the dell outlet store for 8400s. Far cheapear then you could purchase the components yourself.

 

[jamesbond007]

Originally posted by: NightCrawler

Many have wondered what the insides of a Gen4 look like. Well, I took some pics a while back and here they are!

At least the heatsink is decent.

For a 3.4GHz Prescott that's probably no louder or even quieter than most A64 systems, it has to be. Only when I begin to play games, the GPU and CPU fans throttle up a bit to help compensate for the increased heat production.

Gamingphreek, Dells are very much so worth their value, if you put into consideration the parts you get. Yes, my case is not aluminum, but personally after owning a couple Lian Li cases in my time, I hate aluminum cases and would never get another one. All of my harddisks are the new Seagates with NCQ. As I said before, I could not build a comparable system for the price. The front drive bay cover folds back alongside the left of the case so it is out of the way, which is a feature Antec should look into. (If anyone's broken their SX1000 series door, this is the type of feature you need)

My Dell XPS tower is a big beast that feels pretty rugged all around with a 460W PSU on the bottome of the case, which I hope to see more of in the future. When you pick up the tower, it's not wobbly in your hands like any other typical system unit.

Anyways, I can sit here all day and praise my purchase and experience with Dell, but I'm not going to because I know this forum is haters against most machines that are prebuilt, generalizing that since they've once had or seen a prebuilt machine that's crappy, then all prebuilts must follow suit. It's just too bad you're missing out.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Ill gaurantee you that i can build a better system for a better price.

Not saying dell is horrible but the XPS among other models are not worth it. For business's and people who dont have that much knowledge they are great though.

One of the reasons i dont like them is something along the lines of proprietary parts

-Kevin

 

[jamesbond007]

Yeah, I'm sure now that prices have come anyone can beat the price. I've been building computers for almost 10 years, so I do know my way around as to where to get the best prices for certain components.

What is bad about the proprietary parts? I don't plan to switch the motherboard or case...I can swap any HDD, videocard, monitor (obviously), or any other device around. What's your gripe? If you want to complain about proprietary junk and high prices, look for Apple, not Dell.

Original prices on XPS stuff is definitely NOT worth it, this I know. However, with $1100 off using a coupon, I couldn't beat it then. Nor could you. If you're going to start yapping about an AMD system, forget it. I wanted P4 for specific application reasons.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Not to start a flame war but what specific aplications are you talking about. In some Video Encode/Decode the P4 has a noticable lead but other than that AMD is just as good if not better.

As for the proprietary parts, generally when i upgrade i dont upgrade every single thing in the computer. With dell you have to find an unofficial PSU adapter to use a standard ATX PSU, the case and the motheboard are not standard, there is no where near the ammount of bios tweaks and things that i have on a custom system; need i go on.

-Kevin

 

[Regulator07]

i dont mean to interrupt this lovely conversation, but i think when it comes down to it, Dell it capable of making a good computer with a reasonable price tag, However I dont think it is necessarily about money when people say they refuse to buy a Dell or other prebuilt system, I think almost 99% of the point of building your own computer is just that, building your own computer. I own a Dell laptop and my family still continues to own their Dell desktops, but i just recently built my first system (in sig) and can say that building it and making sure it is stable and having the bios features amoungst other things just makes it more worth it to me and it is a great hobby. If building computers is not your thing or just would rather get it and go, then obviously Dell is the way to go, they have good deals and great support. For me and those out there who build computers, it is not about what Dell rebates and other coupons one can get but rather knowing that your computer was put together completey by you.

 

[jamesbond007]

Regulator07, great post! You have a lot of comments that I agree with. :thumbsup:

Kevin, it must be a personal thing, but when I build a new computer, I don't recycle anything. A computer I build is AS IS when I sell it when I'm done using it. Case, PSU, everything. Thus, finding adapters and what-not is not an issue for me, personally.

BIOS tweaks are of no concern to me. As long as a machine is very fast, stable, stable, and did I mention stable? that is all I worry about. I'm not an overclocker, I don't adjust my RAM timings as I let the SPD detection take care of that. I see we have different views and values, but that's alright! Look, I'm happy with my Dell and you're happy with your system (I hope!) and that's what matters. I'm very pleased with my system for the price I paid.

Exactly as you posted, video editing is what I do a lot of. Particularly home-made DVDs. I convert old family videos to DVDs for people, make menus, edit noise out, blips, etc. Let's not forget DVD backups, either!

 

[kini62]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Ill gaurantee you that i can build a better system for a better price.

For $2600 including the 24 inch LCD and 850xt PE, p4 3.6 I don't think so.

Not saying dell is horrible but the XPS among other models are not worth it.

The XPS has a few benefits over the 8400. It has a roomier and cooler(temp wise) case design. It has room for 3 internal HDDs and is very easy to work on.

To the OP for that price it's an even better deal. Don't let anyone talk you into an 8400 or anything else. Get what YOU want. With the P4 3.6 that machine will do anything you want.

I have essentially the same setup and it's faster at EVERYTHING that I have run on it including games, than my 3500+ with 6800GT was. Even when the 3500+ and 6800GT were OCed.

Plus it's quiet and seems to run cool even when ambient (room) temp is in the 80s.

go for it.

 

[Gamingphreek]

For $2600 including the 24 inch LCD and 850xt PE, p4 3.6 I don't think so.

I have proved that i could many times before.

-Kevin

 

[n yusef]

Since Kevin won't give any parts (everything has been stated at leaset 123,467 times in other threads), I'll give it a go.

1) A 6800GT isn't going to be faster than a X850XTPE when gaming, even if yout processor is a little bit slower.

2) That XPS is a terrible value, even with a 2405FPW, and X850XTPE.

A64 3200+: $190
DFI NF4 Lanparty Ultra-D: $137
2X TwinMOS RAM (Winbond UTT chips): $108
X850XT: $480
If you want to gamble, you can get an X800Pro, and soft-mod it into an X800XTPE. More effort required:
X800Pro: $280
200GB HDD: $140
DVD burner: $62
Case and PSU: $200
Extra fans, lights, etc.: $50
2405FPW: $860-1200, depending on the deal. Let's use the $1200 cost though.
Overclocking: prieceless

Add that together and get ~$2550 with X850XT, and $2350 with X800Pro->X800XTPE. If you get a deal on your 2405 like I did, then you get -$350 added on to that. I spent ~$2100 on my rig, and it has all of the parts listed. My 3200+ is at 2.6GHz, but I don't see much of an FPS increase in any games at 1900*1200, so it's mostly for fun. If I set it down to 1024*768, I get in between twenty and thirty frames extra, which is cool to know. The X850XT gives me much bigger overclocking gains at every resolution though. I guarantee that I get better performance than you at any resolution, game, setting or whatever than you can, kini62.

3) The XPS is just ugly. That would make me pay $100 more for a better case; Lian-Li, Thermaltake (their one good product, IMO) Tsunami, Coolermaster, SilverStone, etc.

 

[kini62]

Originally posted by: n yusef
Since Kevin won't give any parts (everything has been stated at leaset 123,467 times in other threads), I'll give it a go.

1) A 6800GT isn't going to be faster than a X850XTPE when gaming, even if yout processor is a little bit slower.

2) That XPS is a terrible value, even with a 2405FPW, and X850XTPE.

A64 3200+: $190
DFI NF4 Lanparty Ultra-D: $137
2X TwinMOS RAM (Winbond UTT chips): $108
X850XT: $480
If you want to gamble, you can get an X800Pro, and soft-mod it into an X800XTPE. More effort required:
X800Pro: $280
200GB HDD: $140
DVD burner: $62
Case and PSU: $200
Extra fans, lights, etc.: $50
2405FPW: $860-1200, depending on the deal. Let's use the $1200 cost though.
Overclocking: prieceless

Add that together and get ~$2550 with X850XT, and $2350 with X800Pro->X800XTPE. If you get a deal on your 2405 like I did, then you get -$350 added on to that. I spent ~$2100 on my rig, and it has all of the parts listed. My 3200+ is at 2.6GHz, but I don't see much of an FPS increase in any games at 1900*1200, so it's mostly for fun. If I set it down to 1024*768, I get in between twenty and thirty frames extra, which is cool to know. The X850XT gives me much bigger overclocking gains at every resolution though.

3) The XPS is just ugly. That would make me pay $100 more for a better case; Lian-Li, Thermaltake (their one good product, IMO) Tsunami, Coolermaster, SilverStone, etc.

1. Just how is your ~$2550 (plus shipping and tax) sooooo much less than the $2600 the OP had.

2. Add another $120 or so for a second HDD drive, $20 for another DVD drive, another $100 for XP Home, another 50-$100 for the included software (some actually use or need it)

3. So we're about back to even if you take in getting a 2405 for $860, or more $$$ for your system if you don't.

4. The OP has no intention in OCing, so based on my experience with a 3500+ the P4 would run rings around it in just about everything that an average home user would do. Gaming would be about even, ie no discernable difference.

The OP had an interest in video editing/dvd creation in which case, using Premiere Pro/elements, Pinnacle DVDShrink etc... would be at a MINIMUM 25% faster with the P4. I saw speed improvements of 70% over the 3500+ in DVDShrink and more than 50% using Premiere Elements. This kind of speed differential is obviously noticeable where an extra 5 or 10 FPS in a most games is not.

I guarantee that I get better performance than you at any resolution, game, setting or whatever than you can, kini62.

Maybe with your system OCed. At stock speeds, most games the difference if any would be inconsequential.

For my guarantee- I guarantee that my P4 will out perform your system, even OCed till your heart's content, in DVDShrink, Premiere and just about any other video/photo editing/rendering program. Plus I can actually still have a responsive system when doing these things, unlike an Athlon 64

 

[hans030390]

first off, that x850 is worthless. Just get a 6800ultra if you want to spend money. It's more future proof (with shader model 3.0). trust me on this, even if i do get flamed

I understand that you might not want to build, as you can mess up. You could try www.buyxg.com and go to their complete systems page. There, you can select an AMD 64 computer (p4 is slower) and customize it, and they will send it to you. It's cheaper too.

another thing, alienware isn't great either.

edit: i just checked out buyxg again...looks like i couldnt get AGP motherboards with their built computers...i dunno ill look again

either way, i build you a computer with an AMD 64 FX-55, 2gb of RAM, a 6800ultra...yeah, it was top of the line of everything in there...and it came with HL2...and it was only $2836.00.

Dell=rip off for bad computers

so yeah, that is just an example to NOT go with Dell.