<< Amusingly enough, it's actually Intel that needs AMD - not Dell . >>
Well, the old reason was second sourcing....
<< Amusingly enough, it's actually Intel that needs AMD - not Dell . >>
Well, the old reason was second sourcing....
Point of reference: Dell.com makes $50 million a day Link, and only about half of their revenue comes via the web... (i used to work for dell home and small business online)
When having sales volume that's that high, it's not very feasable to just role out a whole line of new products... The amount of costs associated with R&D of new systems, testing all the different configurations, and all of their software on them, as well as the amount of personnel that would need to be hired to do this, makes little financial sense...
You'd have to relaunch the website with an updated configurator (the software that processes web orders) and because that puts orders directly into their order management system to be built, you'd have to update that system too, and it's large/archaic...
Not to mention additional supplier agreements, which of course affects Dell's much lauded supply chain - something that they wouldn't want to weaken...
I realize most of us are tech geeks and not MBAs but i don't believe that Dell would see an increase in business large enough to justify using AMD... Being Intel-only has allowed them to streamline their supply chain and keep costs down so their profit margin per box is much higher than their competition's, meaning they can set prices lower than the competition to win market share, and their product was always better to begin with anyway... This equals success which may not be enhanced, and more likely weakened, by using AMD as well...
And finally I don't know why you all care so much about it... Who here would buy themself a Dell if they offered AMD? And to the people who you refer to buy computers, if you tell them to go buy a gateway/compaq just because they offer AMD then that's unfortunate because their products just suck... No one I have known who has either of those bought one again... Whereas Dell gets tons of repeat customers...
Just my $0.02
When having sales volume that's that high, it's not very feasable to just role out a whole line of new products... The amount of costs associated with R&D of new systems, testing all the different configurations, and all of their software on them, as well as the amount of personnel that would need to be hired to do this, makes little financial sense...
You'd have to relaunch the website with an updated configurator (the software that processes web orders) and because that puts orders directly into their order management system to be built, you'd have to update that system too, and it's large/archaic...
Not to mention additional supplier agreements, which of course affects Dell's much lauded supply chain - something that they wouldn't want to weaken...
I realize most of us are tech geeks and not MBAs but i don't believe that Dell would see an increase in business large enough to justify using AMD... Being Intel-only has allowed them to streamline their supply chain and keep costs down so their profit margin per box is much higher than their competition's, meaning they can set prices lower than the competition to win market share, and their product was always better to begin with anyway... This equals success which may not be enhanced, and more likely weakened, by using AMD as well...
And finally I don't know why you all care so much about it... Who here would buy themself a Dell if they offered AMD? And to the people who you refer to buy computers, if you tell them to go buy a gateway/compaq just because they offer AMD then that's unfortunate because their products just suck... No one I have known who has either of those bought one again... Whereas Dell gets tons of repeat customers...
Just my $0.02
What do you peeps thing. Is it a spoof or "the full monty"?
My fellow techs & I are making bets ... I hope I win
.Anyone got anything to "substantiate" this AMD consideration of Dell's, as it were? Make a fellow AT member a less poor person & help me winning 10$
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<< When having sales volume that's that high, it's not very feasable to just role out a whole line of new products... The amount of costs associated with R&D of new systems, testing all the different configurations, and all of their software on them, as well as the amount of personnel that would need to be hired to do this, makes little financial sense...
You'd have to relaunch the website with an updated configurator (the software that processes web orders) and because that puts orders directly into their order management system to be built, you'd have to update that system too, and it's large/archaic...
Not to mention additional supplier agreements, which of course affects Dell's much lauded supply chain - something that they wouldn't want to weaken... >>
The same thing can be said about Dell going to the Pentium 4
:QGood point that ... P4 requires new Chassis & PSU's ... one could compare this somewhat to AMD. *BUT* - it is likely to assume that such parts are easier to get ahold of & validate (in numbers at any rate) - simply due to the high percentage of the world being run with Intel CPU's.
How difficult (or different) would it be REALLY for Dell to move? Admittedly, they'd have to deal with a majority of VIA chipsets (Doesn't Dell use Intel-based chpisets normall??) unless they magically get the gear to fab AMD's chipset in numbers.
Hmmm ... it is an interesting thing this ... as long as it doesn't turn out to be a joke.
<< The same thing can be said about Dell going to the Pentium 4
:Q >>not really, because they HAVE TO go to Pentium 4 because the public has shown a demand for Intel... in the past two years all they've had to deal with on the Intel side is 815 and P4 which were both heavily tested by Intel and because of their partnership Dell gets all the help they need from Intel in making their products w/ those procs successful...
going AMD would double the amount of work in terms of designing, testing, procuring, and assembling, in addition to the stuff i stated above...
if i owned Dell stock i would sell the minute they announced using AMD because it would hurt their bottom line immensely...
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<< because they HAVE TO go to Pentium 4 because the public has shown a demand for Intel... >>
The public has NOT shown an overwhelming demand for the Pentium 4 platform (in fact, sales are off 20% I believe). That won't happen until prices drop even further with a .13 micron die shrink and the availability of the i845 SDRAM chipset. AMD on the other hand is demanding the public's attention. Aren't they approaching (or have surpassed) 20% market share?
And I'm quite sure that AMD would help Dell just as Intel helps them. I'm sure that AMD gives assistance to HP, Gateway, and Compaq. It's not like AMD is just gonna leave them in the cold and say fend for yourself. You make it seem as though AMD is gonna be a bad step parent
It is of my opinion that IF Dell were to go AMD, they would use the AMD760 chipset or the nForce. AMD would back them up 100% on development testing of systems with the AMD760, and Dell is already buddy-buddy with NVIDIA so nForce development/testing wouldn't be a problem.
True that cause i can't honestly see Dell,VIA and AMD in the same bed together. One of the 3 gots to get the stepping(VIA). If this does happen then AMD better get enough 760&MP boards out. They can pull another what? 10 to 15% Marketshare with this deal? I think so...
If this does happen then AMD better get enough 760&MP boards out. They can pull another what? 10 to 15% Marketshare with this deal? I think so...i think nvidia would be the chipset of choice for Dell. No way would they go with Via, their customers can't deal with such PITA chipsets.
<< I would like to see a Dell laptop with a Athlon 4 and Geforce2 Go >>
o please yes!
<< I would like to see a Dell laptop with a Athlon 4 and Geforce2 Go >>
o please yes!
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And another thing about the "$50" difference between the 1GHz Athlon and the 1GHz PIII. I took it for fact, but it is way wrong.
From Anand's buyers guide:
1.4GHz Athlon $170
1.0GHz Athlon $91
1.7GHz Pentium 4 $335
1.0GHz PIII $ $174
YOU DO THE MATH I can't imagine Intel snapping prices 50% for Dell on OEM processors. Also, 256MB PC2100 DDR SDRAM from Crucuial.com is now $50. Let's see you do that with RDRAM and the Pentium 4
Dell would be crazy not to go with AMD. They'd be making some huger numbers.
From Anand's buyers guide:
1.4GHz Athlon $170
1.0GHz Athlon $91
1.7GHz Pentium 4 $335
1.0GHz PIII $ $174
YOU DO THE MATH
I can't imagine Intel snapping prices 50% for Dell on OEM processors. Also, 256MB PC2100 DDR SDRAM from Crucuial.com is now $50. Let's see you do that with RDRAM and the Pentium 4Dell would be crazy not to go with AMD. They'd be making some huger numbers.
maybe not P4 yet but definitely Intel in general... AMD may have your attention but not the average computer buyer... they're neck-and-neck in the sub-$1000 category but that's not Dell's ballgame... the market share they have is based primarily on price (the only category AMD is ahead is sub-$600 computers) so since those types of computers are making up a larger % of total computer sales, market share has gone up... now if intel chips were as cheap as AMD chips would they still have the same market share?
it's not a case of AMD not helping Dell, it's a case of Intel being less favorable if Dell uses AMD also... Surely you'll agree that intel treats Dell differently than compaq and gateway...
the last (smart) thing Dell would do is use a chipset from a company that's never made one before... that doesn't say they won't do it, but i'm sure they'd trust AMD's chipsets more than Nvidia's, though I'm sure Nvidia will try to use their leverage on Dell much like Intel does...
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<< because they HAVE TO go to Pentium 4 because the public has shown a demand for Intel... >>
The public has NOT shown an overwhelming demand for the Pentium 4 platform (in fact, sales are off 20% I believe). That won't happen until prices drop even further with a .13 micron die shrink and the availability of the i845 SDRAM chipset. AMD on the other hand is demanding the public's attention. Aren't they approaching (or have surpassed) 20% market share?
And I'm quite sure that AMD would help Dell just as Intel helps them. I'm sure that AMD gives assistance to HP, Gateway, and Compaq. It's not like AMD is just gonna leave them in the cold and say fend for yourself. You make it seem as though AMD is gonna be a bad step parent
It is of my opinion that IF Dell were to go AMD, they would use the AMD760 chipset or the nForce. AMD would back them up 100% on development testing of systems with the AMD760, and Dell is already buddy-buddy with NVIDIA so nForce development/testing wouldn't be a problem. >>
it's not a case of AMD not helping Dell, it's a case of Intel being less favorable if Dell uses AMD also... Surely you'll agree that intel treats Dell differently than compaq and gateway...
the last (smart) thing Dell would do is use a chipset from a company that's never made one before... that doesn't say they won't do it, but i'm sure they'd trust AMD's chipsets more than Nvidia's, though I'm sure Nvidia will try to use their leverage on Dell much like Intel does...
<<
<< because they HAVE TO go to Pentium 4 because the public has shown a demand for Intel... >>
The public has NOT shown an overwhelming demand for the Pentium 4 platform (in fact, sales are off 20% I believe). That won't happen until prices drop even further with a .13 micron die shrink and the availability of the i845 SDRAM chipset. AMD on the other hand is demanding the public's attention. Aren't they approaching (or have surpassed) 20% market share?
And I'm quite sure that AMD would help Dell just as Intel helps them. I'm sure that AMD gives assistance to HP, Gateway, and Compaq. It's not like AMD is just gonna leave them in the cold and say fend for yourself. You make it seem as though AMD is gonna be a bad step parent
It is of my opinion that IF Dell were to go AMD, they would use the AMD760 chipset or the nForce. AMD would back them up 100% on development testing of systems with the AMD760, and Dell is already buddy-buddy with NVIDIA so nForce development/testing wouldn't be a problem. >>
I'd like to see the results of all the responses! I tried to be fair but overall i was in favour of AMD. If Dell did go with AMD it would be a major breakthough.
dave . By the way, i am not against Intel at all.
dave . By the way, i am not against Intel at all.
I voted for AMD and on the bottom suggested that Dell also carry the nForce chipset. I have a 760 chipset and it is really stable with a Geforce 3. I still won't use a Via chipset in my computer (well not an entire chipset, since I am using a Via southbridge) but AMD chipsets and NVIDIA nForce are o.k. in my book.
Die P4. Die...die...die. And take Rambus with you. :|
Die P4. Die...die...die. And take Rambus with you. :|
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Looks like Dell has responded to the poll error. This was posted over in the Anandtech News forum:
Please include the following line in all replies.
Tracking number: AT20010628_0000005713
Thank you for contacting ESupport Services
We apologize for the error you have encountered and thank you
for taking the time to report it.
Due to a coding error, the survey is not operating as it should
so I would suggest not taking it until a time it is fixed.
The problem has been reported, and Dell is working on resolving
it at this time. We hopefully will have it fixed soon.
Again, thank you for taking the time to report this to us.
Respectfully,
Webmaster, Stephen
Dell eSupport and Services
Please include the following line in all replies.
Tracking number: AT20010628_0000005713
Thank you for contacting ESupport Services
We apologize for the error you have encountered and thank you
for taking the time to report it.
Due to a coding error, the survey is not operating as it should
so I would suggest not taking it until a time it is fixed.
The problem has been reported, and Dell is working on resolving
it at this time. We hopefully will have it fixed soon.
Again, thank you for taking the time to report this to us.
Respectfully,
Webmaster, Stephen
Dell eSupport and Services
Can we say Economic Darwinism? This was bound to happen, and the reasons will be even more evident on July 12.
<< And another thing about the "$50" difference between the 1GHz Athlon and the 1GHz PIII. I took it for fact, but it is way wrong.
From Anand's buyers guide:
1.4GHz Athlon $170
1.0GHz Athlon $91
1.7GHz Pentium 4 $335
1.0GHz PIII $ $174
YOU DO THE MATH I can't imagine Intel snapping prices 50% for Dell on OEM processors. Also, 256MB PC2100 DDR SDRAM from Crucuial.com is now $50. Let's see you do that with RDRAM and the Pentium 4
Dell would be crazy not to go with AMD. They'd be making some huger numbers. >>
The prices that Dell gets for the CPu's are probably incredibally cheap, looking at your numbers, probably, about $130 per 1.0ghz p3. Any way, people know this name "Intel" much better than "amd" so i think thats what is holding back this Amd issue.
actually reading the middle of the thread i found some discussion. here are my points of view.
- if a 1.0ghz pc with a) amd and b) with Intel. most consumers will buy the b), Intel. Why, thats too simple - intel has their name clearly spelt and secured onto their brains. Now, i see that there is a smal difference in the 2 computers, $50. I wonder, which one would AVERAGE consumers chose?
The poll i think has been renderend usless becasue a large porportion of the responses will be from hardware enthusiats like you and me. The average consumer will probaly just ignore the poll and get on with their litle lives. Of course, some will respond, but the results have been distorted.
- i doubt that many consumers wil choose AMD over intel from DELL. again, its the marketing done by Intel. To get the consumers to think about AMD, i believe DEll will have to sepend a farly large amout of money to advertise. sticking with intel will (my thinking) get them cheaper CPU's, and if they went from some AMD's, Intel might increase their CPU prices to AMD. (that last sentence is based on my thinking only so dont go Crazy)
Dinner time
- if a 1.0ghz pc with a) amd and b) with Intel. most consumers will buy the b), Intel. Why, thats too simple - intel has their name clearly spelt and secured onto their brains. Now, i see that there is a smal difference in the 2 computers, $50. I wonder, which one would AVERAGE consumers chose?
The poll i think has been renderend usless becasue a large porportion of the responses will be from hardware enthusiats like you and me. The average consumer will probaly just ignore the poll and get on with their litle lives. Of course, some will respond, but the results have been distorted.
- i doubt that many consumers wil choose AMD over intel from DELL. again, its the marketing done by Intel. To get the consumers to think about AMD, i believe DEll will have to sepend a farly large amout of money to advertise. sticking with intel will (my thinking) get them cheaper CPU's, and if they went from some AMD's, Intel might increase their CPU prices to AMD. (that last sentence is based on my thinking only so dont go Crazy)
Dinner time
Only IBM and Dell saw growth in the first quarter 2001 US PC sales and Dell is continuing to make big gains at the expense of most of the other major PC manufacturers.
Dell saw a 30% ...business news... increase in sales 1st quarter 2001 while most other manufactures saw a major decrease.
I don?t think Dell currently needs to or has much incentive to adopt AMD processors.
Dell saw a 30% ...business news... increase in sales 1st quarter 2001 while most other manufactures saw a major decrease.
I don?t think Dell currently needs to or has much incentive to adopt AMD processors.
<< And finally I don't know why you all care so much about it... Who here would buy themself a Dell if they offered AMD? And to the people who you refer to buy computers, if you tell them to go buy a gateway/compaq just because they offer AMD then that's unfortunate because their products just suck... No one I have known who has either of those bought one again... Whereas Dell gets tons of repeat customers... >>
I would buy a Dell if they offered AMD because I would love a Inspiron 8K laptop with a Athlon4/GeForce2 Go. And are you saying Compaq/Gateway sucks because they offer AMD?
Hope dell fixes their error soon. Im going crazy waiting for someone, hopefully Dell/Toshiba, to bring out a Athlon4/GeForce2 Go Laptop!! IBMs are just too expensive in my book, although they are great laptops. If no one does this, I will have to go with a .13U PIII/GeForce2 Go
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