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Nemesis 1

Nemesis 1

Lifer
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Ya I read the gateway thing awhile back. But I think its not a good trade off for AMD at all. Gateway is already just barely hanging in the market . Not having intel will likely put them out of business .

Did you look at your first Link? Its tes Dell And HP . Where they get there info from?

I went to gateway and they are selling Intel . I am exspecting an e- mail from Gateway . I asked them about it . Also it didn't actually say Gate way was dumping intel only that gate way will be selling Phenom as their Top of the line performance computing Monster. IF thats Gate ways TOP end Kiss them off. Discret graphics . Must be a lot of games you can play with that . If not needed for gaming. What good is it.?

Over a $1000 dollars for a phenom system . Good luck with that. You did read that right were its says Gateway is only switching out 2 Highend systems with intels for AMD.
 
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but they still sell Pentium 4 when Athlon is better... poor AMD
Maybe AMD can't keep up the demand or no one is buying Dell AMD, who knows. Those who knowAMD normally don't go for Dell I suppose. Those who don't know anything will just buy the recommended setup that OEM offered
 
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Gateway pushing Phenoms is a good thing for AMD. These are the boxes you see at Best Buy, Office Max, etc. The desktop users who buy these chips are unlikely to stress more than one core at a time with their 'multimedia' and basic browsing, so should never encounter stability problems or need the kind of performance offered by a high end machine. These are not gaming capable desktops because they offer only rudimentary 3d acceleration.

Remember, these are the people talked into buying a quad they won't ever use. Saving $30 or more over an Intel quad is a win/win for the consumer, AMD and Gateway alike.

Losing Dell again is going to hurt a lot more than a few thousand retail shelf sales though. Oh, and the 'high end' (read: $2000+) notebook sales volumes are absolutely tiny. Grabbing 50% of that is a lot easier than it sounds.

 
Bateluer

Bateluer

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Dell is still selling AMD based systems.

http://configure.us.dell.com/d...&l=en&oc=DDDWEQE&s=dhs

Also, the search link in the Inquiring article for 'AMD' returns around 85000 results of machines ranging from notebooks to XPS desktops to entry level servers.

They may plan to phase out the AMD chips from future products, but for now, they have plenty of inventory to sell.

For large OEMs like Dell, the performance of a processor is secondary regardless.
 
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vaylon

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It's AMD's own fault.
A lot of bad decisions over the past 24months have left them in a mess.

I think they make most of their money from memory and ic chips anyway.
And they should have had their hands slapped when they reached out a grabed ATI.
 
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Originally posted by: vaylon

And they should have had their hands slapped when they reached out a grabed ATI.
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Ironically, the AMD designed Radeon products are the best thing to come out of ATI since the X1900s and are the the strongest products in AMD's consumer portfolio right now.

 
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kotrtim

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It is not unusual since only 50% of mergers are able to survive. AMD and ATI merge when both have the worse product compared to their competitor.
 
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ch33zw1z

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Originally posted by: kotrtim
It is not unusual since only 50% of mergers are able to survive. AMD and ATI merge when both have the worse product compared to their competitor.
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I wouldn't say worse as much as comparative/competitive. Many people still use both their products, and it will be a while before AMD will claim defeat tech and business wise.
 
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nanaki333

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damn. i really liked getting dell's latitude laptops for work. they were never back ordered and shipped immediately :D
 
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First of all, this move by Dell is not really a reflection of the state of AMD, rather a reflection of the state of Dell. Dell is lagging HP, closing calling centers and laying off people. This is just a move to cut cost, anyone with a little knowledge of operations knows it cost money to keep different types of inventory, develop different type of platform and sell more configurations. Second of all, this is not as bad as many thinks for AMD. AMD was doing well before Dell jumped on their bandwagon. After Dell started buying from AMD, there were many smaller customers complained that they couldn't get the supply or attention from AMD. Plus even tho Dell buys in large quantity, they are tough on price negotiations, and selling to Dell actually reduced AMD margin, just look at AMD financial after late 2006.

If AMD can go back to their old route, taking care of smaller system integrator while maintaining good relationship with OEM that were historically friendly with AMD, they can actually get more profit out of the stuff they are selling.
 
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Nemesis 1

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Originally posted by: rchiu
First of all, this move by Dell is not really a reflection of the state of AMD, rather a reflection of the state of Dell. Dell is lagging HP, closing calling centers and laying off people. This is just a move to cut cost, anyone with a little knowledge of operations knows it cost money to keep different types of inventory, develop different type of platform and sell more configurations. Second of all, this is not as bad as many thinks for AMD. AMD was doing well before Dell jumped on their bandwagon. After Dell started buying from AMD, there were many smaller customers complained that they couldn't get the supply or attention from AMD. Plus even tho Dell buys in large quantity, they are tough on price negotiations, and selling to Dell actually reduced AMD margin, just look at AMD financial after late 2006.

If AMD can go back to their old route, taking care of smaller system integrator while maintaining good relationship with OEM that were historically friendly with AMD, they can actually get more profit out of the stuff they are selling.
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BS. The Gateway system top of the line $1100 way over priced.

 
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What's Going on with Dell and AMD? Fri. Feb. 08, 2008

Many folks have seen the post on Engadget about changes in Dell's AMD offerings online. Here's the deal.

Dell regularly adjusts its product offerings, and how customers can purchase those products. Currently the majority of our Inspiron AMD-based systems are available through our retail partners such as Wal-Mart, Best Buy and Staples, and through telephone sales. Our AMD-based energy-efficient consumer desktop, the Energy Star 4.0 Inspiron 531 is also still available on Dell.com.

Dell also sells a full range of AMD-powered business notebooks, desktops and servers online. Certain product ranges or models may only be available through specific channels such as retail or phone. We are committed to the AMD product lines as a long-term partner to provide the maximum choice for our customers.

Published Friday, February 08, 2008 09:54 AM
by Lionel Menchaca, Digital Media Manager
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Source: http://direct2dell.com/one2one.../2008/02/08/45012.aspx
 
taltamir

taltamir

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I know amd needs the money and competition is good... but at least now they aren't ripping people off by selling them inferior products at inflated prices.

I would not feel right about selling anyone an AMD machine right now unless its an ultra cheap lower end machine using a 40$ brisbane chip
 
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Intel cpus sold for years to unsuspecting people were they were clearly inferior(clearly only to only the tech savy) Amd chips will sell as well to people who have no clue as to performance specs. The amd chips are still available from dell on their server line so its not bye bye amd totally. Plus Dell sells systems in walmart. So even if they are pulling from their website(which is not the case) they may be still sell them in retail outlets.

Did any of you actually go to the dell website? There are AMD based systems for sale still.
 
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waffleironhead

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http://online.wsj.com/article/...?mod=hpp_us_whats_news

By Don Clark
Word Count: 442 | Companies Featured in This Article: Dell, Advanced Micro Devices, Intel, Wal-Mart Stores
Dell Inc. has decided to stop selling most consumer systems powered by Advanced Micro Devices Inc. chips through Dell's popular Web site.

The big computer company says it still plans to keep selling the AMD-based machines in retail stores and over the phone. But Dell's decision is nevertheless seen as a negative for AMD, which took years to convince Dell to modify its longtime strategy of using only chips from Intel Corp.

"Most of Dell's sales volume still goes through the Web site," said Roger Kay, an analyst at ...

So not ALL but MOST are going away.
 
taltamir

taltamir

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Originally posted by: waffleironhead
Intel cpus sold for years to unsuspecting people were they were clearly inferior(clearly only to only the tech savy) Amd chips will sell as well to people who have no clue as to performance specs. The amd chips are still available from dell on their server line so its not bye bye amd totally. Plus Dell sells systems in walmart. So even if they are pulling from their website(which is not the case) they may be still sell them in retail outlets.

Did any of you actually go to the dell website? There are AMD based systems for sale still.
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that is true, for years I told people that the only reason to get an intel chip was ignorance. That they were inferior in every way shape and form.
Now that all changed, but clueless people will still go out and buy spiders because they are extreme or something...
 
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Extelleron

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Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Originally posted by: rchiu
First of all, this move by Dell is not really a reflection of the state of AMD, rather a reflection of the state of Dell. Dell is lagging HP, closing calling centers and laying off people. This is just a move to cut cost, anyone with a little knowledge of operations knows it cost money to keep different types of inventory, develop different type of platform and sell more configurations. Second of all, this is not as bad as many thinks for AMD. AMD was doing well before Dell jumped on their bandwagon. After Dell started buying from AMD, there were many smaller customers complained that they couldn't get the supply or attention from AMD. Plus even tho Dell buys in large quantity, they are tough on price negotiations, and selling to Dell actually reduced AMD margin, just look at AMD financial after late 2006.

If AMD can go back to their old route, taking care of smaller system integrator while maintaining good relationship with OEM that were historically friendly with AMD, they can actually get more profit out of the stuff they are selling.
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BS. The Gateway system top of the line $1100 way over priced.
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Quad-core CPU, 8800GT, good gaming system for $1049 doesn't sound too bad to me. It's nothing like what you can get building your own system, but for a system you can buy at Circuit City, it's pretty good.

Phenom makes sense for OEMS IMO. The vast majority of buyers don't look at benchmarks, to them Phenom is Quad-core and the only thing Intel has at that price point is dual-core, it's an easy decision. There are Gateway systems with Quad-core CPUs for around $650-700.
 
taltamir

taltamir

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yes but the intel dual core at that price whoops the phenom in everything.
E8400 and the 2.2ghz phenom cost the same (50 cent difference on NCIXUS). the phenom beats the E6850 in less then half the encoding tests, with the other half of encoding tests and every single application test getting huge wins for the E6850. Now factor that the E8400 is the same clockspeed, 10% faster on average for the same clockspeed, and has phenomenal performance (pun intended) in everything, phenomenal overclocking, phenomenal power consumption/heat generation, and adds SSE4 that can more then double the performance on certain encoding items and the phenom looks like a very VERY poor choice.

Thats not even taking a look at the TLB issue and how the workaround lowers performance by almost 20% on average. with some specific instances (like firefox browsing) being lowered by more then 50%

Sure its a "true quad core" but both the quadness and the trueness are engineering choices that have asbolutely no impact on the user. that is, for the user what matters is how it performs, not how that performance is achived. So intel uses bigger cache and non native quad implementation, so what? The bottom line is performance (or performance per watt, or performance per clock, or performance per dollar, etc)
 
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Bateluer

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Originally posted by: waffleironhead

Did any of you actually go to the dell website? There are AMD based systems for sale still.
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Apparently only a few, and we were entirely ignored. People like to preach doom and gloom about AMD.
 
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