Dell 30" u3014 2560x1600 information emerges, release date feb/march 2013

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  1. blackened23

    blackened23 Diamond Member

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    Long story short:

    "light" AG coating
    Won't be using the u3011 AG (BIG PLUS for home users, this translates into higher text sharpness than the u3011)
    10-bit color, full adobe RGB color gamut
    USB 3-0 and smart card reader
    LED backlit
    lower power consumption compared to u3011

    http://www.computerbase.de/news/2013-01/weiteres-dokument-bestaetigt-30-zoll-monitor-dell-u3014/

    Can't wait for the AT review where input lag is tested at a non native resolution :rolleyes:
     
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  2. RaistlinZ

    RaistlinZ Diamond Member

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    So is this a TN panel or IPS panel?
     
  3. blackened23

    blackened23 Diamond Member

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    It's not going to be a TN panel. LG does not produce TN panels higher than 1080p. Aside from that obvious bit--this is primarily for professional use -- an area where TN panels are terrible due to poor color accuracy and bad viewing angles.

    Going by the speculated LG model numbers, its going to be an updated AH-IPS panel using the latest from LG.
     
  4. paul878

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    What do you mean by "No matte coating"?
    It going to be glossy?
     
  5. blackened23

    blackened23 Diamond Member

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    It's a light AG/anti-reflective coating similar to what is used on the 2713HM and all PLS panels. The matte coating on the u2711/u3011 were unusually thick causing text on white backgrounds to appear grainy.

    It will not be glossy.
     
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    IMO, I wouldn't really think so.... 50 inch 4k TV's already cost over 10k, and monitors have more strict QA and cost more per inch than TVs typically do. Slight quality defects are usually forgivable in TVs but rarely are with computer monitors - users who see dead pixels will undoubtedly return them. So the QC costs are substantially higher.

    This is basically LG getting their wares out first. It will be a very limited run product with very few buying it aside from professional users - it won't be geared toward home users, not initially. So i'm estimating 4k $ minimum. Like mentioned, I don't feel this is going to be a mass consumer product at all. It's basically a war between LG and samsung to one up each other at this point, and right now they can inflate prices as high as they want.

    Price speculation aside, I can't wait for this to become mainstream. I am ready!:D

    edit: I JUST realized that this is the monitor that FX1 has been long waiting for.:eek:
     
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    If it's not 120hz, I'm not interested. The lack of 120hz IPS panels was annoying two years ago and is frankly sickening now.
     
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    This monitor has anywhere from 5ms to 12ms latency. Which means.. there will be ghosting and motion blur and laggy mouse with vsync ON ,,,,,,, You need the industry only 1ms monitor. No lag in FPS games. Feels like a CRT but better!!!!!!!!! . gl
     
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    That's the way I feel about TN panels. The viewing angles and poor colors disgust me. Literally, I can stare at a 27" TN panel head on center and still see color shifting from left to right. Ugh. 120hz is nice, but having a terrible picture to look at (and low resolution to boot) isn't! D: Just IMO.
     
  13. Grooveriding

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    120hz on an IPS would be nice, but 120hz is not nice to enough to use a trashcan TN panel. IPS looks so much better than TN I certainly couldn't compromise to TN to have 120hz.

    It would be even worse having a 30" TN panel as the screen is so large you'd probably notice image degradation peripherally like you see when viewing a TN from an angle.

    OT: I'm a little relieved that this monitor looks to not be bringing any big improvements over the U3011 apart from the improved AG coating. Just bought a U3011 to replace my 3007WFP and it's always nice to see you didn't miss out on the latest greatest improvements :D
     
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    Groove, Coming from the 3007 that 3011 ag coating will seem crystal clear.
     
  15. HurleyBird

    HurleyBird Golden Member

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    Neither could I. But I refuse to upgrade my eyefinity setup to another IPS display that isn't 120hz.
     
  16. PrincessFrosty

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    120hz isn't going to happen on 2560x1600 panels for a long time, IPS technology doesn't really have a fast enough pixel response time for 120hz, but also the bandwidth required for 2560x1600@120Hz is immense.

    I don't think even HDMI 1.4a can manage 2560x1600 we'll need to wait for HDMI 2.0 designed for 4k high res before we can see something like 2560x1600@120Hz, display port is no better from what I remember.
     
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    The problem, aside from a horrific cost, is that DVI doesn't have enough bandwidth to drive its native resolution @ 120Hz. I think Display Port does but almost nobody uses that.
     
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    Display port (current revision) will handle 2560x1600 @ 120hz with a little room to spare.
     
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    Displayport does have enough bandwidth, but i'm not sure I would agree that nobody uses it -- DVI is the most commonly used port on desktops, but displayport is quite common in the professional sector - it has quite a few advantages over DVI. Not to mention its the connection of choice for apple devices, and pin compatible with thunderbolt display ports.

    Anyway, from what i'm understand 2560 @ 120hz is possible, I'm not really sure why it hasn't been done yet. Perhaps it adds another layer of cost to already expensive panels, shrug.
     
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    I would settle for 1920x1200@120Hz. Its a better resolution for working and ideally I want to slot a 120Hz monitor into my 3 monitor setup so that I can use it for games where the 3 monitor surround doesn't work.
     
  21. BFG10K

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    In the grand scheme of things, almost nobody uses 2560x1600, period. The number of 2560x1600 users that also use Display Port is a tiny fraction of that.
     
  22. blackened23

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    I've been digging around on this and it appears the reason for the 60hz limitation on 2560 IPS panels is indeed due to the lack of bandwidth of DVI-D. The panel produced by LG is capable of 120hz - and has for some time - but the DVI interface does not allow for it within specs; it does not have enough bandwidth while displayport does.

    Since DP will become more mainstream (with apple using it exclusively) and WiDi requiring DP - hopefully 120hz @ 2560x1600 will happen soon.
     
  23. lavaheadache

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    I love being a tiny fraction.


    errrrr, maybe I don't when it comes to some things
     
  24. Pia

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    But practically everyone could use DisplayPort if they bought a cheap cable, no? I took a quick look at the bottom of the barrel models in each nVidia's Geforce model series starting from the newest, and I had to go all the way to 100 series before I found a card that did not feature DisplayPort.

    I don't really see why it would be a problem for full capabilities of a display to require DisplayPort, and that goes double for a top of the range display.
     
  25. qliveur

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    About freaking time. :colbert:
     
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