Dell 2405FPW (24" 16:10 LCD): First Impressions

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Maetryx here, :cool:

Yesterday my brand new Dell 2405FPW arrived. The package weighed about 29 lbs. It was apparently shipped from a Portland, Oregon warehouse, so it only took about a day to get to me once they shipped it. Obviously, YMMV. The website originally told me that I could expect to receive the monitor on October 7th, so I was pleasantly surprised to find myself opening the package on September 28th.

Let's face it. I was more than pleasantly surprised. I had wood. I will be giving Dell glowing praise to resellerratings and bizrate.

My outgoing monitor is a Samsung 193P 19" 4:3 LCD, so I was acclimatized to LCD goodness and Samsung's unbeatable 1000:1 contrast ratio. I was also accustomed to forgiving my Samsung for a not quite fast enough refresh rate for dark 3D games. It wasn't bad, but it was certainly noticeable, especially when a dark object moved across the screen over a light background (duh).

On of the first thing I loved about the Dell: The monitor pivots on the stands in the horizontal plane, i.e. I can turn the panel (say, toward my wife across the room so she can see something ineresting) without turning the base. The Samsung doesn't do this. I had to physically rotate the base on my desk to face it another direction.

But, of coure, the FIRST think I loved about the Dell is that it is monstrously huge. I mean, you remember when there used to be megabytes for hard drives and now they're measured in gigabytes (and probably terabytes real soon)? This monitor is two feet wide. Maybe in the future monitors will be measured in feet instead of inches. This will be the turning point if that ever occurs.

"Hey, Bob, have you seen the new 2.0 feet monitor from Dell? It used to be called the 2405FPW, and now they call it 205FPW. "

This monitor made me feel like a halfling (a D&D hobbit). In fact, it was actually strange at first how *much* I had to turn my head to look from one part of the screen to the other. My neck hasn't had this much exercise since Def Leppard released "Hysteria" in 1987 and I learned to headbang. I actually had to increase the mouse sensitivity so that I didn't have to go through three separate mouse strokes to get from one edge of the screen to the other.

I fired up several games to see how they felt. GTA:III, Diablo II, The Sims 2... I was using older games because 1) I don't have a lot of newer games right now and 2) some of the newer ones I do run require the CD... and some of my stuff is still packed from a recent move *and* 3) there is no way my soon-to-be-replaced computer could pump the pixels of a recent game at the native resolution of 1920x1200.

1920x1200. *Feints*.

Quick impressions, because I'm running out of time to write this review:
1) Diablo II: your face really is only about 4 pixels. The game is limited to 800x600. It stretches it horizontally and have not yet figured out if there is a way to put black bars on the side instead. My Paladin was HUGE on the screen. Pretty cool.

2) GTA:III: Brilliant! The city came alive as it nearly filled my peripheral vision. Again, main characters in 3rd person perspective games like this and Diablo II are giant on your screen (until you get used to it).

3) The Sims 2: This game actually benefited the most, I think. You can stay zoomed out to see the majority of the house, and yet the monitor is so big that you're not losing any detail to "distance". Or you can zoom right up the sims nostrils. It was fabulous. I actually wanted to play this game more, even though I hadn't touched it for months.

Finally, I had to watch a DVD. My wife said I had to use The Cell (2000, Lopez, D'Onofrio). I ran it with Cyberlink's PowerDVD. I discovered something I wasn't prepared to discover. DVDs are very low resolution. There, I said it. 480P is inadequate to fill the vast reaches of a 2 foot monitor capable of 1920x1200. I mean, I *knew* in theory that 480P was an aging video format, but now I know it in practice. It was still pretty awesome to watch it on my monitor.

The ONE thing that is a knock against the monitor (and it's possible I just haven't found the setting to fix it): the black levels are not very black. LCDs are prone to having a kind of light gray version of black, and my computer is in a darker room of the house. So the "black" bars surrounding the full screen movie (The Cell is wider than 1.85, so it has black bars above and below) were annoyingly light gray.

edit: Okay, I found out how to turn down the brightness and it is a lot better.

If I find a setting that corrects this or improves it, I'll let everyone know. It's obviously not the end of the world.

Did I mention that the monitor accepts DVI, VGA, S-Video, Component and has a built in USB hub? That it does picture in picture (PnP) from any two video sources?

My verdict: 9/10 and could be 10/10 if I figure out how to turn down the brightnesss on the darn thing! I'm not used to the menus yet, which aren't the easiest to navigate and I flat ran out of time on a work night to mess with it any more.

BTW, combining varoius Hot Deal options, I got the monitor for about $860 shipped. Others have done better.

edit-->changed 16:9 to 16:10... thanks SynthDude2001!
 
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The 2405FPW is a 16:10 aspect ratio monitor, not 16:9. ;)

Congrats on your new monitor purchase though! I love my 2005FPW. :)

Edit: About Diablo II, you can set the scaling to "Aspect" in Image settings, which maintains the 4:3 ratio of your signal and puts bars on the sides (there's also 1:1, which displays only the actual pixels in the middle of the screen, and Full, which is usually the default). And as for DVD's...I totally agree. They don't look so hot even on my 2005FPW - makes me glad I have an HDTV tuner (and also that I never really invested in a large DVD library).
 

Maetryx

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Thanks for the advice! I'll try out the different scalings, possibly tonight.

Also, have you noticed that a really wide format movie (like The Cell) ends up with a double set of black bars in full screen? For example, the movie was probably 2.35 and the window of it was 1.85. So there were black bars even when watching it in a window.

Then when I went to full screen, it STILL had the "black" bars from the window, and then had slightly darker "black" bars above and below those. That's what made it annoying. It was SHOWING me how unblack the bars were by giving me different shades of "blacK" to see at once.

Is there a utility that at least makes the "black" bars the same shade of gray so that they aren't so annoying?
 
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Originally posted by: Maetryx
Thanks for the advice! I'll try out the different scalings, possibly tonight.

Also, have you noticed that a really wide format movie (like The Cell) ends up with a double set of black bars? For example, the movie was probably 2.25 and the window of it was 1.85. So there were black bars even when watching it in a window.

Then when I went to full screen, it STILL had the "black" bars from the window, and then had slightly darker "black" bars above and below those. That's what made it annoying. It was SHOWING me how unblack the bars were by giving me different shades of "blacK" to see at once.

Is there a utility that at least makes the "black" bars the same shade of gray so that they aren't so annoying?

Double black bars...I don't think I've noticed that, although I haven't watched DVD's in a while (except for my 24 boxed sets, which are already 16:9).

Hmm..ok, I just popped in one of my Matrix DVD's and saw what you were talking about...it looks like the 2.35:1 (or whatever the actual aspect ratio is) image is just placed inside the 1.78:1 (16:9) frame, and I do see that the "inner black bars" aren't really quite black. I'm using Windows Media Player for DVD playback, so I'm not sure if another program might be able to fix this or not.
 

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Personally, I'm glad to have a Sony FW900. The ability to display any resolution from 640x480 to 2304x1440 natively with no scaling has been too helpful when displaying low res and high res material, not to mention a perfect "response rate". But if space dominated everything, I'd go with that monitor in a heartbeat. I especialy like the inputs on it. Although having 480i material through the composite and s video inputs upscaled to 1920x1200 probably does not look that great...
 
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Originally posted by: Sonikku
Personally, I'm glad to have a Sony FW900. The ability to display any resolution from 640x480 to 2304x1440 natively with no scaling has been too helpful when displaying low res and high res material, not to mention a perfect "response rate". But if space dominated everything, I'd go with that monitor in a heartbeat. I especialy like the inputs on it. Although having 480i material through the composite and s video inputs upscaled to 1920x1200 probably does not look that great...

I wouldn't mind having one of those, except I fear I'd die in trying to carry up a 95 pound monitor up to the fourth floor of my dorm. :eek:
 

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DVD's look amazing on my 24" flat screen TV. Even close up. I almost always get comments about how sharp it looks. I think 480p is plenty good for that size. When you start getting bigger TV's (or monitors) that's when it becomes a problem. I use the component imputs. That makes a big difference. Maybe something isn't right with some of your settings or something.
 

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A couple of suggestions for you:

1. Read up on http://htpcnews.com/main.php?id=ffdshowdvd_1. Movies will never look the same afterwards. Note: You'll need a very powerful processor in order to do 1920x1200 Lancoz and rescaling.

2. Get Video Essentials DVD or so and calibrate your set ASAP.

3. The problem with the other inputs (component, svideo, etc.) is that it doesnt do well with an interlaced signal since there is no internal deinterlacer. 1080i GT4 PS2 looks like garbage. You'll have to use progressive based outputs instead (480p, 540p, 720p, 1080p).

4. Highly recommend you get a game like World of Warcraft if you are into the Diablo genre. You can run native 1920x1200 widescreen resolutions for FOV.

BTW> If you think 24" is bad, wait till you see the new generation of 37"-45" 1080p displays they have now ;)

 
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Originally posted by: tk109
DVD's look amazing on my 24" flat screen TV. Even close up. I almost always get comments about how sharp it looks. I think 480p is plenty good for that size. When you start getting bigger TV's (or monitors) that's when it becomes a problem. I use the component imputs. That makes a big difference. Maybe something isn't right with some of your settings or something.

What's the resolution of your TV though...? Any 480i source (like DVD's) aren't going to look very good at all when scaled up to 1920x1200 (or 1920x1080, as the case may be).
 

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Maetryx:
There's a brightness/contrast menu if you just press the '+' (or was it the '-') button. one of those. if you're connected via dvi, contrast will not be available.

but i don't think that's the only adjustment you need to make. it sounds like you need to adjust the overlay options in your video card settings.
 

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My 2405 came early as well. I was also in the week 1 October timeframe, and it arrived 9/26.

Very impressive. Easy setup, brilliant color, very sharp contrast, fonts look great if you enable ClearType. I can't say I noted the "gray blacks" problem. Blacks on this unit look very black.

 

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I ordered from ebay, got it in 3 days. Also paid around $875. Dead pixel count = 0. Satisfaction = 100%
 

Maetryx

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Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
Originally posted by: tk109
DVD's look amazing on my 24" flat screen TV. Even close up. I almost always get comments about how sharp it looks. I think 480p is plenty good for that size. When you start getting bigger TV's (or monitors) that's when it becomes a problem. I use the component imputs. That makes a big difference. Maybe something isn't right with some of your settings or something.

What's the resolution of your TV though...? Any 480i source (like DVD's) aren't going to look very good at all when scaled up to 1920x1200 (or 1920x1080, as the case may be).

It's quite likely that the resolution on his TV is 720p, so it isn't scaling it very "far" compared to the 1200p that it has to scale on the 2405FPW. Anyway, I've got a lot to learn it looks like, and I appreciate all the advice in this thread. I'm in the middle of a massive system upgrade so I'll definitely have the powerful processor to do some serious upscaling.

My Athlon XP 2100+ (1725MHz, I think) and 6600GT can't even play back the 720p Quake4 wmv file that I downloaded the other day. :eek: But my Athlon X2 3800+ and 7800GTX I'm buying will probably handle it just fine. :evil:
 

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what's the best way to watch dvd's on the 2405fpw?

via the normal dvi connection on the pc?
via composite through the pc?
via composite on a progressive scan dvd player?

any input is appreciated. thanks.
 
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Originally posted by: Maetryx
Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
Originally posted by: tk109
DVD's look amazing on my 24" flat screen TV. Even close up. I almost always get comments about how sharp it looks. I think 480p is plenty good for that size. When you start getting bigger TV's (or monitors) that's when it becomes a problem. I use the component imputs. That makes a big difference. Maybe something isn't right with some of your settings or something.

What's the resolution of your TV though...? Any 480i source (like DVD's) aren't going to look very good at all when scaled up to 1920x1200 (or 1920x1080, as the case may be).

It's quite likely that the resolution on his TV is 720p, so it isn't scaling it very "far" compared to the 1200p that it has to scale on the 2405FPW. Anyway, I've got a lot to learn it looks like, and I appreciate all the advice in this thread. I'm in the middle of a massive system upgrade so I'll definitely have the powerful processor to do some serious upscaling.

My Athlon XP 2100+ (1725MHz, I think) and 6600GT can't even play back the 720p Quake4 wmv file that I downloaded the other day. :eek: But my Athlon X2 3800+ and 7800GTX I'm buying will probably handle it just fine. :evil:

You should be able to play that 720p file with no problems even now, I think. Have you installed the Microsoft DxVA patch for Windows Media Player? That made 720p and even 1080p WMV-HD clips play smoothly for me without any dropped frames. My Athlon XP is at 2400MHz, but 720p should be fine for you at least.
 

Maetryx

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It plays it back but it stutters, i.e. audio gets garbled, video slows down to a slideshow for a moment, and then its back up and running for 4 seconds, then repeats.

On my wife's Athlon 1200MHz with GF2 Ultra it won't even do that. It just plays the first frame of the video and the audio runs by itself. I'll check when I get home to see if I'm missing some updates, but I'm pretty good about staying updated.
 
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Originally posted by: Maetryx
It plays it back but it stutters, i.e. audio gets garbled, video slows down to a slideshow for a moment, and then its back up and running for 4 seconds, then repeats.

On my wife's Athlon 1200MHz with GF2 Ultra it won't even do that. It just plays the first frame of the video and the audio runs by itself. I'll check when I get home to see if I'm missing some updates, but I'm pretty good about staying updated.

As far as I know, you had to download the fix separately (at least, that's what I did and I wasn't aware of it being included on Windows Update or anything). The link is here if you want to check it out (there's also a prerequisite that needs to be installed beforehand, IIRC).

Video playback on the GF6 series has always been kind of touchy, and I'm not sure why (but I have a 6800GT myself and noticed lots of problems in playback before I installed that patch). It seems to be fine for the most part now though.
 

HN

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Originally posted by: ironxman99
what's the best way to watch dvd's on the 2405fpw?

a. via the normal dvi connection on the pc?
b. via composite through the pc?
c. via composite on a progressive scan dvd player?

any input is appreciated. thanks.

i think you meant C. to be "component" and not "composite."
given that - a > c > b
(but i'm open to any corrections from anyone in-the-know)
 

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I'm still waiting for the ATI X1800 to see how it's video compression/decompression features. The 7800's are supposed to be getting a HD video boost from the new drivers as well. I've tried playing HD video and some play ok while others have the stuttering problem as well. They do look beautiful on my 2005FPW.

As far as the black being not quite black, you should turn down the brightness level. I don't think it will have contrast controls if you're connecting through DVI (which you should be doing). 99% of LCD's, if not 100%, ship with brightness levels of 100% because it looks great for the few minutes you're watching it on the demo floor. Once you actually start using a monitor, you'll want to turn it down to about 40-60% for a more natural view as well as reducing eye fatigue due to the brightness. I reduced the brightness level of the 2005FPW to 50% and it still looks brighter than any other monitor (already calibrated) I had up to that point.
 

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Welcome to the club!

I got my 2405 a few months ago to replace an aging 21" CRT... I didn't expect to be as happy as I am with this monitor. I love having the flash card slots on the side as well and I was very pleasantly surprised about how well it handles non-native resolutions - I usually can't even tell!

Have fun with it!
 

Maetryx

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Thanks for the warm welcome, InfiniteLurker.

akugami, last night I couldn't even find the brightness controls, because I was too eager to play with it and only spent about 20 seconds trying to figure it out. I know, that makes me sound totally retarded, lol. I blame it on "virgin" jitters.

Oh, BTW, I thought at first I had one dead/stuck pixel, but I ran the dead pixlel buddy and couldn't find it after all. And that little utiliy almost blinded me because the screen was overbright. :).

I'm totally stuck at work until almost 6PM and I'm just chomping at the bit to go home and play with my new monitor.
 

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I still haven't found them. Are the brightness controls available in dvi input mode?

By the way, a site called Deviant Art has a _huge_ selection of free 1920 x 1200 wallpapers :).
 

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That's very nice... except for the fact that it runs in 1920x1200. I would save up for one if not for the fact that doing so would require me to upgrade my video card (AGP), to something better (PCI-e), requiring a mobo and a CPU change.

:-/

Darn lucky bastards.

Norm
 

JBT

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Any changes to the LCD you need to do with DVI should be done via drivers. Also if your blacks are looking like grey's I suggest turning the brightness down. I think blacks on my 2405 look pretty damn black.