Dell 22'' E228WFP

InFeXiOn

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Alright so I just sent back my Acer AL2216 to the guy I bought it off because he didn't tell me about a dead pixel it had, tsk tsk. Now I'm back in the market for a 22'' LCD and Dell just dropped the E228WFP for a very reasonable $329CAD and it's quite tempting. I'm aware of the fact that it uses the same panel as the other 22'' LCD's but I was looking for impressions/reviews on this particular LCD.

Adjustability?
Brightness/Contrast Levels?
Viewing Angles?
Gaming Performance?

All that jazz. I'm mostly going to be using the monitor for everyday regular use and gaming. It has a 5ms response time so ghosting shouldn't be an issue, I'm hoping. How would this work for gaming - good/bad? Any impressions at all would be helpful.
 

BassBomb

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You do know since it has same panel, they are going to have very similar gaming performance, same viewing angles, near same brightness, same contrast

but different adjustability.
 

InFeXiOn

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Well, that's what I'm assuming but considering I know very little about LCD monitors in general (aside from the similarity I pointed it) I thought I would post and ask anyway. I haven't really checked into performance on similar 22'' Widescreen LCD's from the other monitors in it's class either for gaming performance, so any impressions on those I think would be as equally helpful.
 

GimpyFuzznut

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Ok I picked one up on Boxing Day for $299 and I couldn't be happier. I know all types of hot-shot "but I do image editing" so TN panels suck are going to come on here and say its complete crap but if you aren't expecting a professional grade monitor, this is v a very good choice. I was impressed with its size and the resolution is just right. Text doesn't feel too small and visibility is good for me - I wear glasses usually but I can sit comfortable and use this screen without them on.

The screen is bright and has pretty good contrast - it requires some tweaking to get the colours right but it looks really nice once you do. I did all the LCD tests I could find and was always able to distinctly make out the different grays, blacks, whites etc that were shown on patterns for contrast testing. It does have some slight colour banding - ie, when you look at a gradient going from black to red, you will see some slight stepping in the changing of colours, but it is very minimal and only noticeable on green and red, not blue. There is also slight, maybe ~5% backlight bleeding on the top and bottom of the screen but unless you are looking at a completely black screen you will never even notice it. Its more or less impossible to notice in Windows.

The stand is unfortunately the cheap version and not the nice one that comes with the Ultrasharp screens. It can only tilt up and down a few degrees but cannot turn or adjust in any other way. This is kinda a let down but for $299... well what do you expect? There is also no USB hub but thats not really a big deal. My girlfriend just got a 1907 Ultrasharp panel last night and I couldn't really see much different in picture and colour quality. Her screen did have a larger viewing angle. The viewing angle on this screen is kinda limited so you have to be sitting more or less in front of the screen to see the image properly. That said, its not really terrible like other screens I've seen. I can sit and watch TV in my bed while looking at the screen at some strange angles pretty comfortably.

Also, the monitor doesn't have options for scaling which is kinda the biggest let down for what would otherwise be a great screen. No other screens really have scaling options anyway so I guess its not a huge deal. My experience is with ATI drivers so I can't say how it works for NVIDIA drivers but if you set it to a 4:3 resolution, it will stretch the image. However, if you set it to a lower 16:10 image, it display the image in full screen or you can use the ATI drivers to letterbox the whole picture. I really wanted proper 4:3 scaling for non-widescreen games but I guess you can't have it all. Also, there is no noticeable ghosting in gaming or movies.
 

BassBomb

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1907 is still a TN.

I have a TN, I loved it in the beginning but now I almost cant stand it

The 22" LCD's should be fine for gaming with respectable response times less than 25ms at worst
 

imported_RedStar

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i love my dell 22 inch! :)
for more of my info check out:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=31&threadid=1977318&enterthread=y

since then i have discovered a couple of things...

my bf2 would crash to desktop after splash screen ...turned out i had to set my refresh rate (in a text file) to something my new monitor supported...was 85 with old monitor.

About 3x now i have gone into a game ..the load screen has little red speckles ...and then the screen blanks on and off so i can't do anything with it ...but i can alt-tab to desktop (which is fine) and end the game. If i then go back to the game..there is no problem.

It has happened in two games ...not sure what it is yet..as i can't reproduce the error.

I have my monitor set on a sound card box... 3 inches i think. so this has turned into the perfect height for me.

Now, i do have to look directly on screen..or the screen does get slightly darker (nothing like the one guy was complaining about).

bottom line: I am so glad i bought this for 299$ :) cdn

oh, and i also had to turn DOWN the brightness...as it was just too bright for me :)

edit: I am surprised by your stretching comment.
I have an ati 9600 pro..it has only one option ...scale to fit.

I play in all resolutions (well, except 640*480) and nothing is stretched...so i wonder what is up.

 

InFeXiOn

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Thanks for the in-depth GimpyFuzznut!

Sounds like it's going to be a great monitor and I can hardly wait to pick one up. I was mostly concerned about games and stuff, but since it's got a low response time I should be fine. Most of the newer games have support for widescreen so the lack of scaling options shouldn't be a huge deal, I hope. Can't wait to get this.
 

InFeXiOn

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RedStar: How is the monitor for games though? Look terrific in widescreen, fast-paced games like BF2?
 

imported_RedStar

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well my system is not powerful enough to run native..upgrade in feb.
So at 800*600, 1280*768, 1024*.... on low settings...the games are awesome.

or in otherwords...i can't drive my system beyond 60HZ so i notice no performance drops/tearing or anything else. The games look awesome. When i get a more powerful system..i will see if the greater power introduces ghosting ...and forces me to turn on vsync.

short answer: terrific! it is like playing all new games for me :)
 

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Originally posted by: BassBomb
You do know since it has same panel, they are going to have very similar gaming performance, same viewing angles, near same brightness, same contrast

... and just like the Acer is a class-II quality panel, not guaranteed to be free of dead/stuck pixels.

 

InFeXiOn

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Well, at least with the Dell it's within 30 days so I can keep returning it until I get one without dead/stuck pixels. The Acer panel was something I bought used from someone and it arrived with a dead/stuck pixel, after being told it had none - so that's a bit of a different story.
 

imported_RedStar

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Well, i have been trying to set bf2 to widescreen by putting the following in the target section of the shortcut:

"F:\moreGames\bf2\BF2.exe +menu 1 +widescreen 1 +szx 1280 +szy 768"

the setting makes no difference...the game still runs at the 1024*768 resolution i had set in game.
Not sure why it is not working for me.

But while reading how to do this, i do see several people saying bf2 crops off some vertical resolution ..to go widescreen. SO you end up missing stuff anyways.
 

GimpyFuzznut

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Hey RedStar, how did you get it to not stretch 4:3 resolutions? I have CCC and the latest ATI drivers and whenever I select a 4:3 resolution like 1024 x768 it stretches it to fit the screen. Only with 16:10 resolution will it display in a letterbox with black borders all around. Any ideas?
 

imported_RedStar

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nope. i am using ancient 4.3 ati drivers.
if i knew how to make some proper photos ...then you could see
just to make sure your idea of stretching is the same as mine. To me, everything looks like it always has ...

the only time i get borders...is when i play dvd movies...

edit: the only option i see..is under displays/panel attributes/scale image to panel size
 

Thor86

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Picked up one myself during the Boxing Day special for $299 Cdn + taxes, and free shipping.

Worth every dollar even though mine has one dead pixel on the bottom left corner, so hardly a deal breaker for the price of this monster screen.

Playing BF2 and CS:S at 1680x1050 is just fantastic. All my digital pictures look sharp and colours are just great even at default settings, but you may want to set up a custom settings for proper colour temps.

I'll post my settings later when I get home.
 

InFeXiOn

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Alright, thanks in advance for the settings you're going to post.

Also, if it had a dead pixel why didn't you do an exchange/return with Dell within the 30-day-grace period? I wouldn't keep that if it had one, that's just not cool.
 

Thor86

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Originally posted by: InFeXiOn
Alright, thanks in advance for the settings you're going to post.

Also, if it had a dead pixel why didn't you do an exchange/return with Dell within the 30-day-grace period? I wouldn't keep that if it had one, that's just not cool.

Pay shipping back to Dell? No thanks. I can live with it, as it is near the edge of the screen so I hardly notice it.

Here are some settings from someone with a Spyder2 colour suite calibration unit:

Con: 85
Bri: 60
Red: 91
Gre: 92
Blu: 93

This gave me a color temp of 6472K, with a Dab measurement of 0.00 (perfect).
 

mset

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Great to hear that so many guys are happy with their 228WFP units. I had to send mine back - it's tough to say what was right with it. Bad backlight bleed, very bad viewing angle issues, washed out colour, and those weird geometric shadow shapes (dithering?) that could only be eliminated by using extreme colour settings. I tried to tweak it using Riva Tuner, but no luck. However, I have read enough reviews from guys who are very happy with theirs that I feel this may have just been a defective panel.

Over at RFD, there were a lot of guys complaining about Dell CS but I must say that they were very good with me, letting me RMA the unit with no questions asked (no shipping or restocking fees) after having me answer a few questions from a tech support guy.

Now to find a good deal in a 20"+ S-IPS unit...

 

InFeXiOn

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Originally posted by: Thor86
Originally posted by: InFeXiOn
Alright, thanks in advance for the settings you're going to post.

Also, if it had a dead pixel why didn't you do an exchange/return with Dell within the 30-day-grace period? I wouldn't keep that if it had one, that's just not cool.

Pay shipping back to Dell? No thanks. I can live with it, as it is near the edge of the screen so I hardly notice it.

Here are some settings from someone with a Spyder2 colour suite calibration unit:

Con: 85
Bri: 60
Red: 91
Gre: 92
Blu: 93

This gave me a color temp of 6472K, with a Dab measurement of 0.00 (perfect).

You would have had to pay shipping to send it back to Dell? As long as it's within the 30 days why didn't you just do an exchange? Tell them that there's a bunch of crap wrong with it and lie, and you'll get yourself a new panel. My experience with Dell has been quite pleasant and their CS doesn't usually care, they'll issue a return under any circumstances and with a small conversation cover the fees.

If I were you I would've kept pushing it to get a new one. Dead pixels suck.
 

InFeXiOn

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Just got my monitor now. Doesn't appear to be any dead/stuck pixels and I used the colour calibration settings from the previous page and it looks great. For $325 I honestly couldn't go wrong here. Any more input on calibration settings? I'll fool around with it a bit but so far it looks nice.
 

imported_RedStar

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i am now using the calibration settings provided also...i don't notice any difference between that and auto. But, at least now, i know it is calibrated.

I just keep looking at the avatars as i read this site while oooing and awing :)

This must mean i did not have my crt monitor calibrated well or that LCD just looks more vibrant. or perhaps..its just the extra huge resolution that allows my poor eyes to see it all so much better.

Whatever the case, have i mentioned that i love my new monitor? ;)