DeLay, Deny and Demagogue

Bumrush99

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She makes some great points in this article. As a moderate I always take the NY Times OP ED page with a grain of salt, but our country is really headed the wrong way and it is a direct result of attitudes by people such as Delay, demagogues who invent issues to keep their constituents quite, while screwing them while they sleep.


NY Times Link

oh my God, we really are in a theocracy.

Are the Republicans so obsessed with maintaining control over all branches of government, and are the Democrats so emasculated about not having any power, that they are willing to turn the nation into a wholly owned subsidiary of the church?

The more dogma-driven activists, self-perpetuating pols and ratings-crazed broadcast media prattle about "faith," the less we honor the credo that a person's relationship with God should remain a private matter.

As the Bush White House desperately maneuvers in Iraq to prevent the new government from being run according to the dictates of religious fundamentalists, it desperately maneuvers here to pander to religious fundamentalists who want to dictate how the government should be run.

Maybe President Bush should spend less time preaching about spreading democracy around the world and more time worrying about our deteriorating democracy.

Even some Republicans seemed appalled at this latest illustration of Nietzsche's observation that "morality is the best of all devices for leading mankind by the nose."

As Christopher Shays, one of five House Republicans who voted against the bill to allow the Terri Schiavo case to be snatched from Florida state jurisdiction and moved to federal court, put it: "This Republican Party of Lincoln has become a party of theocracy. There are going to be repercussions from this vote."

A CBS News poll yesterday found that 82 percent of the public was opposed to Congress and the president intervening in this case; 74 percent thought it was all about politics.

The president, who couldn't be dragged outdoors to talk about the more than a hundred thousand people who died in the horrific tsunami, was willing to be dragged out of bed to sign a bill about one woman his base had fixated on. But with the new polls, the White House seemed to shrink back a bit.

The scene on Capitol Hill this past week has been almost as absurdly macabre as the movie "Weekend at Bernie's," with Tom DeLay and Bill Frist propping up between them this poor woman in a vegetative state to indulge their own political agendas. Mr. DeLay, the poster child for ethical abuse, wanted to show that he is still a favorite of conservatives. Dr. Frist thinks he can ace out Jeb Bush to be 44, even though he has become a laughingstock by trying to rediagnose Ms. Schiavo's condition by video.

As one disgusted Times reader suggested in an e-mail: "Americans ought to send Bill Frist their requests: 'Dear Dr. Frist: Please watch the enclosed video and tell us if that mole on my mother's cheek is cancer. Does she need surgery?'"

Jeb, keeping up with the '08 competition, vainly tried to get Florida to declare Ms. Schiavo a ward of the state.

Republicans easily abandon their cherished principles of individual privacy and states rights when their personal ambitions come into play. The first time they snatched a case out of a Florida state court to give to a federal court, it was Bush v. Gore. This time, it's Bush v. Constitution.

While Senate Democrats like Hillary Clinton, who are trying to curry favor with red staters, meekly allowed the shameful legislation to be enacted, at least some Floridian House members decided to put up a fight, though they knew they couldn't win.

The president and his ideological partners don't believe in separation of powers. They just believe in their own power. First they tried to circumvent the Florida courts; now they're trying to pack the federal bench with conservatives and even blow up the filibuster rule. But they may yet learn a lesson on checks and balances, as the federal courts rebuffed them in the Schiavo case.

Mr. DeLay moved yesterday to file a friend of the court brief with the Supreme Court asking that Ms. Schiavo's feeding tube be restored while the federal court is deciding what to do. But as he exploits this one sad case, Mr. DeLay has voted to slash Medicaid by $15 billion, denying money to care for poor people in nursing homes, some on feeding tubes.

Mr. DeLay made his personal stake clear at a conference last Friday organized by the Family Research Council, a conservative Christian group. He said that God had brought Terri Schiavo's struggle to the forefront "to help elevate the visibility of what's going on in America." He defined that as "attacks against the conservative movement, against me and against many others."

So it's not about her crisis at all. It's about his crisis.
 

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Mr. DeLay moved yesterday to file a friend of the court brief with the Supreme Court asking that Ms. Schiavo's feeding tube be restored while the federal court is deciding what to do. But as he exploits this one sad case, Mr. DeLay has voted to slash Medicaid by $15 billion, denying money to care for poor people in nursing homes, some on feeding tubes.
As a former Republican, I used to say the parties often just had a different POV. Now as an independent, it's abundantly clear that both parties (although the GOP is most egregious at the moment) clearly lack a reputable moral standing. Further, some appear to be downright delusional . . . and yes, I can diagnose that from a videotape.
 

judasmachine

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DeLay is a crook through and through. He is your stereotypical congressman taking free vactions, and other perks from interest groups. They may think he is doing god's work but that would mean that god approves of selling out.
 

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Anyone remember Ilian Gonzales? Looks the same, smells the same. Leadership totally off the curve and into the ditch! When Clinton participated in such, it cost Gore Florida and the Presidency. I guess the Republicans didn't learn anything from that.
 

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Originally posted by: judasmachine
DeLay is a crook through and through. He is your stereotypical congressman taking free vactions, and other perks from interest groups. They may think he is doing god's work but that would mean that god approves of selling out.

And that differentiates him from the rest of Washington how?

 

daveshel

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I am amazed that he has gotten this far with all the stuff he has gotten away with. Seems to me his history of deceit and self-interest has to catch up with him eventually.
 

judasmachine

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Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: judasmachine
DeLay is a crook through and through. He is your stereotypical congressman taking free vactions, and other perks from interest groups. They may think he is doing god's work but that would mean that god approves of selling out.

And that differentiates him from the rest of Washington how?
Yeah I should have been more broad. They are (libs and cons) all crooks and we should throw them out and try some real democracy. I just have a particular dislike for that man claiming the spotlight for having told someone when and how they can die. But yeah they all claim to be so squeaky clean and we all know better, yet we do nothing. Shame on all of us.
 

Bumrush99

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Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: judasmachine
DeLay is a crook through and through. He is your stereotypical congressman taking free vactions, and other perks from interest groups. They may think he is doing god's work but that would mean that god approves of selling out.

And that differentiates him from the rest of Washington how?


How? The House Majority Leader should have some ethics since he is in a position of great power and importance. His role in shaping our national landscape is far greater than most House members, thus it is his responsiblity to maintain a high level of ethics.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Condor
Anyone remember Ilian Gonzales? Looks the same, smells the same. Leadership totally off the curve and into the ditch! When Clinton participated in such, it cost Gore Florida and the Presidency. I guess the Republicans didn't learn anything from that.
Always a political opportunist Delay was right in the middle of that controversy too.
 

dmcowen674

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This should get it's own thread but this will do.

Here is the Republicans best trained attack dog aty his best:

3-24-2005 Republican Leader Invokes God in Schiavo Battle

In helping lead the charge to keep brain-damaged Terri Schiavo alive, House of Representatives Majority Leader Tom DeLay has invoked God, diverted attention from his own ethical woes and again become a lightning rod for critics of his party's conservative agenda.

DeLay told a conservative Christian group that the Schiavo case was a gift from God for their cause, drawing fresh complaints from Democrats that he was trying to score political points.

"Religious Right leaders are determined to run all of our lives, from the moment of conception through the end of life, and top congressional leaders are conspiring behind closed doors in Washington to help them do it. It's appalling," said the Rev. Barry Lynn, head of the liberal group.


 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: judasmachine
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: judasmachine
DeLay is a crook through and through. He is your stereotypical congressman taking free vactions, and other perks from interest groups. They may think he is doing god's work but that would mean that god approves of selling out.

And that differentiates him from the rest of Washington how?
Yeah I should have been more broad. They are (libs and cons) all crooks and we should throw them out and try some real democracy. I just have a particular dislike for that man claiming the spotlight for having told someone when and how they can die. But yeah they all claim to be so squeaky clean and we all know better, yet we do nothing. Shame on all of us.

I think that the base issue is that somehow, we need someone in Washington and a decent person wouldn't touch politics. That just leaves the trash.

 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: judasmachine
DeLay is a crook through and through. He is your stereotypical congressman taking free vactions, and other perks from interest groups. They may think he is doing god's work but that would mean that god approves of selling out.

And that differentiates him from the rest of Washington how?


How? The House Majority Leader should have some ethics since he is in a position of great power and importance. His role in shaping our national landscape is far greater than most House members, thus it is his responsiblity to maintain a high level of ethics.

You just haven't been close enough to our nation's capitol.

 

judasmachine

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Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: judasmachine
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: judasmachine
DeLay is a crook through and through. He is your stereotypical congressman taking free vactions, and other perks from interest groups. They may think he is doing god's work but that would mean that god approves of selling out.

And that differentiates him from the rest of Washington how?
Yeah I should have been more broad. They are (libs and cons) all crooks and we should throw them out and try some real democracy. I just have a particular dislike for that man claiming the spotlight for having told someone when and how they can die. But yeah they all claim to be so squeaky clean and we all know better, yet we do nothing. Shame on all of us.

I think that the base issue is that somehow, we need someone in Washington and a decent person wouldn't touch politics. That just leaves the trash.

agreed. depressing but true.
 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
This should get it's own thread but this will do.

Here is the Republicans best trained attack dog aty his best:

3-24-2005 Republican Leader Invokes God in Schiavo Battle

In helping lead the charge to keep brain-damaged Terri Schiavo alive, House of Representatives Majority Leader Tom DeLay has invoked God, diverted attention from his own ethical woes and again become a lightning rod for critics of his party's conservative agenda.

DeLay told a conservative Christian group that the Schiavo case was a gift from God for their cause, drawing fresh complaints from Democrats that he was trying to score political points.

"Religious Right leaders are determined to run all of our lives, from the moment of conception through the end of life, and top congressional leaders are conspiring behind closed doors in Washington to help them do it. It's appalling," said the Rev. Barry Lynn, head of the liberal group.

You know that everyone there and here is avoiding the real issue. Most believe that anyone living like her would rather not bother. Anyone who has been in a situation where he or she can't do anything for him/herself would mostly agree that they wouldn't want to be there. The real issue isn't that they are letting her die, but in how she is dying.

No one has mentioned that the reason they can't shoot her up with happy juice and then take her out in a pleasant stupor is that doing so would be actually killing her and that is against various antiquated laws.

Kervokian is in jail for doing just that (may be out by now) and both parties resist change to those laws. Probably because they fear letting that monster out. Seems like some happy medium could be enacted into law whereby someone who is in such a state can be put to rest.

I've avoided this topic so far because the undesirable on both sides is so startling.

No moral win on either side.

Keep her living a horrible nightmare or let her die out of it. No win, no way! Republican leadership can usually face up to hard, unpopular decisions.

This time they have failed to do so and have really screwed the pooch in trying to find some high ground where none exist.

Paras fixed thanks to DMCowen674.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
This should get it's own thread but this will do.

Here is the Republicans best trained attack dog aty his best:

3-24-2005 Republican Leader Invokes God in Schiavo Battle

In helping lead the charge to keep brain-damaged Terri Schiavo alive, House of Representatives Majority Leader Tom DeLay has invoked God, diverted attention from his own ethical woes and again become a lightning rod for critics of his party's conservative agenda.

DeLay told a conservative Christian group that the Schiavo case was a gift from God for their cause, drawing fresh complaints from Democrats that he was trying to score political points.

"Religious Right leaders are determined to run all of our lives, from the moment of conception through the end of life, and top congressional leaders are conspiring behind closed doors in Washington to help them do it. It's appalling," said the Rev. Barry Lynn, head of the liberal group.

You know that everyone there and here is avoiding the real issue. Most believe that anyone living like her would rather not bother. Anyone who has been in a situation where he or she can't do anything for him/herself would mostly agree that they wouldn't want to be there. The real issue isn't that they are letting her die, but in how she is dying.

No one has mentioned that the reason they can't shoot her up with happy juice and then take her out in a pleasant stupor is that doing so would be actually killing her and that is against various antiquated laws.

Kervokian is in jail for doing just that (may be out by now) and both parties resist change to those laws. Probably because they fear letting that monster out. Seems like some happy medium could be enacted into law whereby someone who is in such a state can be put to rest.

I've avoided this topic so far because the undesirable on both sides is so startling.

No moral win on either side.

Keep her living a horrible nightmare or let her die out of it. No win, no way! Republican leadership can usually face up to hard, unpopular decisions.

This time they have failed to do so and have really screwed the pooch in trying to find some high ground where none exist.

Although I disagree with the statement that "Republican leadership can usually face up to hard, unpopular decisions."

Que McCauley Caulkin "Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa"

We agree :shocked:

Good post :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

 

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Dave, thought I would never see that. Emotionally trying, eh what? Thanks for doing the paras. I thought about it and didn't. You know, when thought is streaming you just go with it.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Condor
Dave, thought I would never see that. Emotionally trying, eh what? Thanks for doing the paras. I thought about it and didn't. You know, when thought is streaming you just go with it.

I, along with my Dad and family faced such an issue and crisis in Florida 4 yrs ago.

My Mom's breast cancer migrated to the brain, she was in extreme pain, did not want to die at home and did not want to be kept alive on machines.

Some people in here sometimes make claims I do not read the posts, that was not the first time I fixed up Paragraphs. Your welcome and was good streaming as you said.

I feel for the parents but they show a lack of courage, lack of understanding science, biology and in truth a lack of all things, faith.

God called Terri home many years ago and the parents are being selfish in letting man artificially keep her body here.

I know Terri's soul is in a better place, time to let her body rest too.

 

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and how many demos voted with the president? and you say it is a repug crisis. it was the majority of both parties
 

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Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: judasmachine
DeLay is a crook through and through. He is your stereotypical congressman taking free vactions, and other perks from interest groups. They may think he is doing god's work but that would mean that god approves of selling out.

And that differentiates him from the rest of Washington how?

Because he's a bigger crook than most of the other congressmen? Plus it's hillarious that he's so ethically bankrupt, but at the same time a 'devout christian'?
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: slyedog
and how many demos voted with the president? and you say it is a repug crisis. it was the majority of both parties

read the OP.

Dowd agrees with you :)

(so do I)
 

EXman

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Originally posted by: judasmachine
DeLay is a crook through and through. He is your stereotypical congressman taking free vactions, and other perks from interest groups. They may think he is doing god's work but that would mean that god approves of selling out.

no but Judas did sell out...
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: slyedog
and how many demos voted with the president? and you say it is a repug crisis. it was the majority of both parties

read the OP.

Dowd agrees with you :)

(so do I)

it's a kneejerk reaction to bash democrats when republicans are under scrutiny.