Degenerative Thread...(formerly about Ricky Martin)

[UnixFreak]

<< oh, btw, I don't watch the parades >>



But you get all upset about them. I dont like Ice skating. Therefore I dont watch it. But if people want to ice skate, I have nothing to say about it.

 

[SirFshAlot]

But you get all upset about them

what's your basis for such an inference?

you just trying to start something because that's all you can come up with?


why anyone here assumes that I am upset or worked up over this issue is beyond me
it's just a topic that had some merit, unlike most of the drivel that has consumed this forum

it's just internet discussion

 

[UnixFreak]

<< you just trying to start something because that's all you can come up with? >>



Just making a point. Me and an entire army couldnt talk sense into you, it is an insult to me to say that I would try..

 

[SirFshAlot]

well, at least you can admit your inabilities against an opponent far stronger than yourself

 

[luv2chill]

<< What are you implying? Say it right out or shut up mother fvcker. >>



You tell me what I was saying... I was simply asking a question. First he compared the parade to a KKK rally (which he admitted was unfair). Then he brings the Nazis in out of nowhere when discussing the issue of tolerance. I was just curious as to what would prompt him to even include hate groups in a discussion about homosexuality.

But do please notice that I phrased it in the form of a question (to SrFshALot) because I didn't want to IMPLY or ASSUME anything. I wanted to give him the opportunity to explain it to me before I jumped to any conclusions.

Bober, I find it interesting how you just jump into this thread out of the blue and start insulting me. SrFshALot and I were having a civilized discussion about the matter. Then, all of a sudden you pick out ONE thing I said and try to smear me with it? WTF?? I've got nothing against you, man, but you seriously need to learn a little respect. In the first place, the comment wasn't even addressed to you. Second, you start making inferences and hurling insults when neither is warranted. Third, you don't even seem to have anything beneficial to contribute to the thread anyway... at least nothing relating to the topic at hand. Why bother posting in here at all?

l2c

 

[UnixFreak]

Yeah, I dont talk to animals, or brick walls, either.

 

[BoberFett]

I see nothing civil in the way this is being discussed. The levels of ad hominem are reaching critical levels. I've been following this thread, and UnixFreak started the sh!t by telling SirFshAlot to

<< save it for the KKK rally >>

Them's fightin' words.

Edit: I almost forgot, you followed up with this beauty:

<< Why the constant comparison to hate groups?? >>

You seem to be implying that SirFshAlot has some fixation with hate groups. Gee, I wonder why a person should take offense at that.

I only jumped in because I hate to see good people SirFshAlot be ganged up on by intolerant liberals such as you and UnixFreak.

 

[luv2chill]

Bober,

Read his post again. Here... I'll quote it for you:



<< If I saw them waving a banner, or wearing a rainbow sticker, though, I would give them some sh*t, like I do with any other of my friends when I feel they need it. Likewise, if one of my friends started displaying swastikas, I wouldn't just be &quot;tolerant&quot;. >>



You tell me what to make of this, then. He says that if he saw one of his friends appear in a gay pride parade he wouldn't be tolerant... he would give them crap about it. &quot;LIKEWISE&quot; (his word) he would do the same thing if one of his friends showed a swastika.

That is why I asked him why he kept comparing gays to hate groups. I don't believe that my question was unwarranted. I wanted to give SrFshAlot to explain it. How could you possibly make the assertion that I'm not reading what he's saying?

l2c

 

[luv2chill]

Bober,

Then it sounds like you should bring it up with UnixFreak and not me. Notice how I'm not the one bringing hate into this. All I wanted to do was discuss this in a civil manner. That's all I ever want to do. Name-calling and insults never make an argument more effective.

In that way I think it was wrong (and reflected badly upon you) to jump into the ring and post that personal attack against me. I'll shrug it off, but I resent it and think you were way off-base for doing so.

l2c

 

[luv2chill]

<< by intolerant liberals such as you... >>



Hey Bober-- you could not have picked two better words with which to NOT describe me. Intolerant??? How on EARTH could I have ever given you that impression? Oh do tell, I can't wait for this one.

As far as my political views go, I happen to be a MODERATE. And again, I'll point out that your name-calling is inappropriate and has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the topic at hand.

I think SrFishAlot would appreciate your support much more if you could actually help him argue his side instead of resorting to the juvenile tactics you've displayed so far today.

l2c

 

[SirFshAlot]

the &quot;KKK rally&quot; inference was unjustly and slanderously slung at me by the warm UnixFreak as a replacement for anything calm and collected in the first part of this discussion

I, in turn, living up to my name, reeled her in with the rancid bait.

luv2chill, you got caught in the crossfire because you apparently didn't read everything throughout the thread.

 

[luv2chill]

No I read the entire thread, and while I agree that UnixFreak should have left the KKK reference out of the discussion (do those freaks really deserve any more attention than they're already getting?), you brought them back up in response to one of my posts. I called you on it, and you agreed that it was an unfair comparison to make.

What I would like you to explain though is the statement I referenced above where you discuss gays and Nazis in terms of tolerance.

I don't have anything against you, SrFishAlot. You've discussed this issue with a differing opinion, but you've been civil (to me anyway). Just wanted to let you know that.

l2c

 

[UnixFreak]

the reason I said that, is because gay-haters generally have the same mindset at a racist person. it was an exagerated expression, using the KKK as an example. It must have hit home since he reacted so well to it. Hatred of a person because of sexuality is the same as hating someone because of their race, in my eyes, and I find it hilarious that someone would act so defensive over my saying so. The bottom line is, its the 21st century, and people are still hung up on this color/race/sexuality thing, rather than just treating people as human beings. I cant help but poke fun at these people, I really cant.

 

[SirFshAlot]

you needn't keep telling yourself &quot;I can't&quot;, Unix

try saying &quot;I will try not to make false presumptions about others from my misunderstandings&quot; over and over, maybe a few thousand times in your case.

it's possible to do things that you presume are beyond your capability; like, perhaps, reading my posts and not falsely accuse me of hating others. I don't even hate you for that.

you throw out snips about hate groups, yet you are the one who has made blatant stereotypes with your false associations
such generalizations only make you look stupid
but I don't hate you for that
you still have promise, dear

 

[UnixFreak]

unlike you, I cannot be told how to speak and think. Nice try, though. And I dont hate you, either, dont give yourself that much credit.

 

[BoberFett]

SirFshAlot never said anything that painted him as a gay hater. There's no place for sh!t stirrers like you in a tolerant society.

 

[UnixFreak]

<<
what rights don't they have if they keep it to themselves?

I never have had to tell anyone about what kind of sex I had in the past year for any type of application into anything.

Why do people need to make gayness public?


Ok, I'll tell you.........
it's because they are insecure and unloved.
and their stupid parades only foster it
>>



I guess this is from a tolerant person. nuff said.

 

[luv2chill]

Still waiting on Bober's explanation behind his brilliant observation that I'm an &quot;intolerant liberal&quot;

l2c

 

[BoberFett]

That was a broad brush I was using, and managed to get some paint on you, luv2chill.


UnixFreak

How is what you quoted in any way intolerant?

 

[UnixFreak]

I am not going to break it down for you, so you can understand it. I am pretty tired of having to do that here. Have fun with this thread.

 

[BoberFett]

<< what rights don't they have if they keep it to themselves? >>

What's wrong with this? How can somebody lose any rights if nobody knows their sexual preference?

<< I never have had to tell anyone about what kind of sex I had in the past year for any type of application into anything. >>

Have you ever gone to an interview where they asked you which sex you preferred? Why do some gay people feel the need to proclaim that they're gay.

<< Why do people need to make gayness public? >>

I don't care what people do in their own homes, but please keep it there. I don't run around telling people about how I like to have sex with women.

<< Ok, I'll tell you.........
it's because they are insecure and unloved.
and their stupid parades only foster it >>

And here he expresses his opinion. He's free to do that isn't he? Or perhaps you're one of those liberal pukes who loves freedom of speech as long as everybody agrees with you?

 

[GL]

To Try And Put Some Sanity Into This Thread...

1) Gay People Do Not Have The Same Rights As Straight People

-At least in Canada, with regards to taxes and the rights of their significant other (for example, to claim the other's estate in case of death, or to have a say in the care of their significant other in case he/she falls terminally ill).

2) The Gay Pride Parade Is Not About Being Proud To Be Gay

-It is about being proud for whom they are as people and all they have accomplished. Straight people seem to bash them just for being gay, and the parade started out as a way to say they're proud of who they are because they are more than just people with a different sexual preference.

3) Gay People Can Do Whatever They Want Behind Closed Doors....

-Fair enough. But when they are out in public are they supposed to not hold hands, walk with their children, not give eachother an affectionate peck on the cheek.
-Let's face it, being straight is more than just having sex with the opposite sex. When I'm out in public with a girlfriend, I'll hold her hand, give her a hug from time to time, and kiss her from time to time.

4) You Can Be Intolerant Of Another's Choices Or Beliefs, But You Should Not Be Intolerant Of That Person As A Whole

-Whether you're Canadian or American, I do believe this is the underlying belief on which much of our countrys' foundations were built.
-You don't choose to be straight. Likewise, how do you possibly think gay people choose to be gay? All the evidence shows that this isn't a choice but the result of genetics.

-GL