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luigi1

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Communism a political and social system whereby all property is owned by the community and each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs.

Note 1 The sun has never risen on a communist country on this world. Russia was a dictatorship with some communist elements. But they were the exception not the rule. China under Mao was personality dictatorship with some communist elements. Currently China is more fascist though there exist some communist elements. Israel has also had communes. But again that is the exception not the rule.

Fascism, we all seem to know a fascist when we see one. But here is the definition.

fascism >noun An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government. Extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.

socialism >noun a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Note 1 I seem to be unhappy with this. I see the socialist advocating entitlement programs. The redistribution of wealth. But perhaps I?m just learning.

left wing >noun 1 the radical, reforming, or socialist section of a political party or system. [with reference to the National Assembly in France (1789 91), where the nobles sat to the president's right and the commons to the left.

right wing >noun 1 the conservative or reactionary section of a political party or system.


I think to me useful definitions are left wing=tolerant right wing=intolerant. But what do you think?
I was going to use this thread to point out the movement of the American government sense 1900 or such. That its become more socialist. But by the above definition it hasn?t. It has however become more left wing.
 

miketheidiot

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Liberals: in favor or accepting o change
Conservatives: infavor of the status quo
reactionaries (far rigth): turn back the clock
radicals: revolution.
 

luigi1

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So is it really no more than:
Left wing=change (hopefully for the better, but change)
Right wing=no change
Liberatians=the gonvernment of 1800 ish The gonvernment does nothing for you
Greens=The gonvernment does everything. The government is the answer to every problem.
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Mucho

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Liberals: want to spend other people money to make the world a better place/
Conservatives: want to turn the clock back to happier days.

 

kogase

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Right wing - Change when we don't like status quo, keep status quo when we like it.
Left wing - See Right wing.
 

Stunt

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I'd like to point out that:

Political Parties != People's political views.
 
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I would include several categories of extremists. I'm not sure what the specific title of these types of extremists should be.

One of these is the type where if you disagree in a post that could be related to anything, then you're instantly seen as a complete opposite in every political, social, and financial aspect. This is very common among some of the 'liberals' on the forum.
 

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Originally posted by: luigi1
So is it really no more than:
Left wing=change (hopefully for the better, but change)
Right wing=no change
Liberatians=the gonvernment of 1800 ish The gonvernment does nothing for you
Greens=The gonvernment does everything. The government is the answer to every problem.
??

Liberatians=feather boa wearing shiney piano playing entertainment sect, headquartered in Las Vegas. Also known for garish pinky rings and oversized candelabras.
 
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Conservative: It is the responsibility of the individual to take care of himself so society doesn't have to.

Liberal: Society is responsible for taking care of individuals. (Even those who won't - not can't... won't - take care of themselves)
 

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Originally posted by: luigi1
Communism a political and social system whereby all property is owned by the community and each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs.

Note 1 The sun has never risen on a communist country on this world. Russia was a dictatorship with some communist elements. But they were the exception not the rule. China under Mao was personality dictatorship with some communist elements. Currently China is more fascist though there exist some communist elements. Israel has also had communes. But again that is the exception not the rule.

Fascism, we all seem to know a fascist when we see one. But here is the definition.

fascism >noun An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government. Extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.

socialism >noun a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Note 1 I seem to be unhappy with this. I see the socialist advocating entitlement programs. The redistribution of wealth. But perhaps I?m just learning.

left wing >noun 1 the radical, reforming, or socialist section of a political party or system. [with reference to the National Assembly in France (1789 91), where the nobles sat to the president's right and the commons to the left.

right wing >noun 1 the conservative or reactionary section of a political party or system.


I think to me useful definitions are left wing=tolerant right wing=intolerant. But what do you think?
I was going to use this thread to point out the movement of the American government sense 1900 or such. That its become more socialist. But by the above definition it hasn?t. It has however become more left wing.

Wow, are the schools teaching you this crvp? I'm sorry to break it to you but the Soviet Union was most certainly Communist. I believe the term that you are searching for is the theoretical system known as Marxism.

Just go read Animal Farm and if you still believe in the Bolshevik Myth, then I'm truly sorry.
 

azazyel

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
Left wing= collectivist

Right wing= individualist

Left wing= collectivist

Right wing= villiage idiot

Fixed.

I would actually say:

Left wing= collectivist

Right wing= individualist as long as you conform to what we tell you to do.
 

Rainsford

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In all honesty, I think it's pretty hard to sum up any political viewpoint in one sentence. As some posters suggested, "liberal" could mean collectivist and/or society is responsible to the individual while "conservative" means individualist and/or the individual is responsible to himself. But of course a key part of most conservative viewpoints is making individuals conform to some societal standard, especially in regards to moral values, while liberals are generally against this (think gay marriage and religion). And while the classic liberal theory says society is responsible for the individual, the individualist conservatives are almost universally for increasing government power to rule individuals (sorry "protect them from terrorism" ;))

The dirty little secret (IMHO) is that the real thing that defines political views is the degree, not the politcal leaning. I think a moderate lefty and a moderate righty will find more in common than a radical lefty and a moderate lefty. And as my dad likes to say, the left/right line is more of a circle, the extremists on both sides are a lot closer to each other than you might think...especially in regards to individual rights. Once you go a little ways in either direction, respect for individual rights and personal responsibility goes right out the window.
 

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Liberal is someone who can make things better, he just needs to raise taxes to do it.

Conservative is someone who can make things better, he just needs more power over the people to do it.

Edit: Sadly neither keeps their promise :(
 

BenSkywalker

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the individualist conservatives are almost universally for increasing government power to rule individuals

Ignorant drivel at best. Bush and company are about as conservative as Clinton and crew were- they are both firmly in the left wing camp. The Republican party in the United States is right wing in a way akin to how Lenin was right wing compared to Stalin.
 

Train

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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
I would include several categories of extremists. I'm not sure what the specific title of these types of extremists should be.

One of these is the type where if you disagree in a post that could be related to anything, then you're instantly seen as a complete opposite in every political, social, and financial aspect. This is very common among some of the 'liberals' on the forum.
Its called polarization, it's thier weapon of choice.
 

Train

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"Any man under 30 who is not a liberal has no heart, and any man over 30 who is not a conservative, has no brains." - Winston Churchill

Tragically, this means the young are most vulnerable to liberal indoctrination. And explains why the teaching profession has a history of attracting persons of a liberal, or leftist, ideology. This places them precisely where they need to be to spread thier philosophy.
 

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Originally posted by: luigi1
socialism >noun a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Note 1 I seem to be unhappy with this. I see the socialist advocating entitlement programs. The redistribution of wealth. But perhaps I?m just learning.

Socialist is as radical as you've cited: The whole community regulates everything.

We refer to people and parties which are pro-taxes and pro support of the weak but which don't share the collectivistic attitude of socialism as "social democrats".

Originally posted by: luigi1
Greens=The gonvernment does everything. The government is the answer to every problem.
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Green means: The state has to care for the environment. The opinion on taxes and welfare are not part of the definition.

The term Liberalism is used otherwise outside the Angloamerican world: Liberalism means liberties for the individual and the entrepreneur over there: Anti-taxes and as few laws as possible.

Religious parties: In Europe, the christian parties are either conservative or centrist. With the significance of confessions and religion decreasing, they try to get profile elsewhere (pro "family values" p.e.) By the way... what's a good definition for centrist?
 

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Originally posted by: Train
"Any man under 30 who is not a liberal has no heart, and any man over 30 who is not a conservative, has no brains." - Winston Churchill

Tragically, this means the young are most vulnerable to liberal indoctrination. And explains why the teaching profession has a history of attracting persons of a liberal, or leftist, ideology. This places them precisely where they need to be to spread thier philosophy.
So professors have no brains? And you, a grunt, know more then them?

Thats hilarious. Really it is. And you people say leftists have egos.
 

Train

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Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: Train
"Any man under 30 who is not a liberal has no heart, and any man over 30 who is not a conservative, has no brains." - Winston Churchill

Tragically, this means the young are most vulnerable to liberal indoctrination. And explains why the teaching profession has a history of attracting persons of a liberal, or leftist, ideology. This places them precisely where they need to be to spread thier philosophy.
So professors have no brains? And you, a grunt, know more then them?

Thats hilarious. Really it is. And you people say leftists have egos.
I didnt say that, Winston Churchill did ;)

I only pointed out the reasoning behind why so many liberals become teachers. Maybe thats the only way they can get people to actually listen to them.

 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: Train
"Any man under 30 who is not a liberal has no heart, and any man over 30 who is not a conservative, has no brains." - Winston Churchill

Tragically, this means the young are most vulnerable to liberal indoctrination. And explains why the teaching profession has a history of attracting persons of a liberal, or leftist, ideology. This places them precisely where they need to be to spread thier philosophy.
So professors have no brains? And you, a grunt, know more then them?

Thats hilarious. Really it is. And you people say leftists have egos.
I didnt say that, Winston Churchill did ;)

I only pointed out the reasoning behind why so many liberals become teachers. Maybe thats the only way they can get people to actually listen to them.

Yeah, or they could just post on internet boards.
 
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Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: Train
"Any man under 30 who is not a liberal has no heart, and any man over 30 who is not a conservative, has no brains." - Winston Churchill

Tragically, this means the young are most vulnerable to liberal indoctrination. And explains why the teaching profession has a history of attracting persons of a liberal, or leftist, ideology. This places them precisely where they need to be to spread thier philosophy.
So professors have no brains? And you, a grunt, know more then them?

Thats hilarious. Really it is. And you people say leftists have egos.

Those who can, do...
Those who can't................ :p