Defiant Pakistan threatens to use nuke

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Thursday May 30, 10:50 AM

Defiant Pakistan threatens to use nuke

United Nations, May 30 (PTI) Pakistan has threatened to use nuclear weapons even if India stuck to conventional arms in any conflict, asserting that it has never subscribed to "no-first-use" of atomic weapons and that ruling out their use would give New Delhi a "license to kill."

"India should not have the license to kill with conventional weapons while Pakistan's hands are tied regarding other means to defend itself," said its new ambassador to the United Nations Munir Akram.

The highly bellicose and provocative statements by Akram on the second day on the job yesterday surprised diplomats and officials at the United Nations who declined to make an immediate comment.

Pakistan, he said, has to rely on the "means it possessed to deter Indian aggression" and would not "neutralise" that deterrence by any doctrine of "no-first-use."

To a question at his first news conference after taking over the job, Akram said any action by India across the border, any aerial attack on Pakistani territory and its assets, and any action to economically strangle it would be "viewed" as aggression and would be "responded to by Pakistan."

Noting that both India and Pakistan possessed nuclear weapons, he said while that should instill restraint on both sides, "it does not seem to do so on the Indian side."

The launching of a sharp attack less than 48 hours after taking over, some diplomats believe, could mean that Pakistan plans to use the United Nations for anti-Indian propaganda.

Akram, who had been his country's ambassador to the UN at Geneva, is known for his rhetoric against India and in previous years had also made highly provocative statements on Kashmir during debates whether the occasion demanded or not.

Pakistan, Akram claimed, believed in "no-first-use of force." That was the reason, he said, that Islamabad had offered non-aggression pact to New Delhi but India had rejected it.

"If India reserved the right to use conventional weapons, how could Pakistan - a weaker power-be expected to rule out all means of deterrence."

The United Nations Charter, the Pakistani ambassador said, prohibited the use of force and India should be committed to "non-use-of-force".

Akarm said the Security Council should address the issues of tensions between India and Pakistan which "constituted a threat to international peace and security."

"Whenever there is a threat of use of force against a member state and a threat to international peace and security, there is an obligation for the Council to address that situation," he told the news conference.



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I was hoping it wouldn't come to this. :(
 

etalns

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Ugh, that's really scary. Did anyone else read those estimated death tolls also? *shiver*
 

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Unfortunately that is a reality of war. You do with what you got. If Chinese army invaded Russia, the Russians would use their nukes to wipe out the Chinese instead of having their country of 150 million fighting 1.3 Billion Chinese, which would be an exercise in futility.
US is not without blame here, because the Russians have been supplying India with a steady supply of latest and greatest military hardware, while US has put holds on Pakistani military orders (F16s come to mind) There is no way Pakistan can win a conventional war with India if things really got down to it. So they gotta do what they gotta do.
What pisses me off most is why isn't the US government involved at the highest levels in mediating this dispute. Where is Bush on this? This has to be priority #1. Not talking to the Pope, not going to France and smooching up to Putin. War on terrorism is in Afganistan for the long haul, Iraq can wait, but if India and Pakistan have a nuclear war, it will be a huge disaster, not only will 10-15 million people die, but Pakistan's nukes could fall into the wrong hands, and should the Pakistani government collapse in the process, Pakistan will be the next Afganistan with nukes.
 

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India and Pakistan, as well as the EU, and several other countries have told the US to stay out of the India-Pakistan conflict. We are damned if we do and damned if we don't.
 

SuperTool

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Well, what do you suggest? We need to listen to EU? We need to listen to India and Pakistan as they prepare to blow themselves to bits and pieces, sending fallout into our atmosphere? Who the fvck are they to tell us what we should and shouldn't do. No, we are the superpower here, we don't listen to them, they listen to us. We need them to settle down. And yes, we need to get involved, or else our superpower status isn't worth crap, and we are just wasting money on our military.
 

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The world needs to let these kids fight their own battle, come of it as may. The last thing we (USA) need to do, is get involved in that. Sorry, but we have our own Saddams to fry.
 

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Originally posted by: compuwiz1
The world needs to let these kids fight their own battle, come of it as may. The last thing we (USA) need to do, is get involved in that. Sorry, but we have our own Saddams to fry.

India will b!tchslap Pakistan like baffled2 going after a nef with a rotten trout.. It's their conflict, not ours (although the UK deserves some of the responsibility).

On a related note, the EU needs to stop hugging trees and grow a set of testicles. Once they do, then they'll have a right to say something about conflict in the post 9/11 world.
 

tcsenter

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Hey, if India and Pakistan want to nuke each other, I say that would go a long way towards accomplishing a badly needed reduction of population on the planet. What the hell is so special about India and Pakistan that we would want to get involved? Is there a desperate need for more 7-Elevens in the U.S. or something?
 

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Originally posted by: compuwiz1
The world needs to let these kids fight their own battle, come of it as may. The last thing we (USA) need to do, is get involved in that. Sorry, but we have our own Saddams to fry.

I am not sure you really comprehend what a general nuclear war between India and Pakistan will mean for this planet.

Think of Chernobyl . . . now repeat it over and over and over and over again. A total ecological disaster that will impact the entire global population. It sadly makes the Israeli - Palestinian conflict and our own war on terrorism seem truly insignificant in comparison.
 

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I am not sure you really comprehend what a general nuclear war between India and Pakistan will mean for this planet.

I'm not sure which I am more tired of, people like them, or tree huggers.......

I guess, I'm tired of the world's issues, and no longer give a f*ck. :(
 

Valinos

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I wouldn't mind seeing a population reduction myself. Two less countries for the U.S. to send aid to and more food for me! Maybe less taxes! Woohoo.

The U.S. needs to stay out of their business, personally I don't wanna disintegrate.

 

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Originally posted by: compuwiz1
I am not sure you really comprehend what a general nuclear war between India and Pakistan will mean for this planet.

I'm not sure which I am more tired of, people like them, or tree huggers.......

I guess, I'm tired of the world's issues, and no longer give a f*ck. :(

I too am tired of all the "crap". But I am not looking forward to radioactive fallout planetwide.

The population "reduction" as someone so glibly stated will also affect this country . . . maybe you will be drinking that radioactive milk.

 

Valinos

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maybe you will be drinking that radioactive milk.

Maybe it'll give me super-human powers like spiderman!

Seriously though, I understand the possible effects of post-nuclear fallout and what it could to do us all on a global scale. And I honestly think it is for the better. As we refuse to let nature do its work, we continue to overpopulate and destroy the world...

Its well overdue for us, we need to start over.
 

tcsenter

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I am not sure you really comprehend what a general nuclear war between India and Pakistan will mean for this planet. Think of Chernobyl . . . now repeat it over and over and over and over again. A total ecological disaster that will impact the entire global population. It sadly makes the Israeli - Palestinian conflict and our own war on terrorism seem truly insignificant in comparison.
Perhaps you could explain how a couple free air nuclear explosions will result in "total ecological disaster that will impact the entire global population" when a few HUNDRED free air nuclear explosions, in tests performed by both the United States and the former Soviet Union, did not?
 

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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: compuwiz1
The world needs to let these kids fight their own battle, come of it as may. The last thing we (USA) need to do, is get involved in that. Sorry, but we have our own Saddams to fry.

I am not sure you really comprehend what a general nuclear war between India and Pakistan will mean for this planet.

Think of Chernobyl . . . now repeat it over and over and over and over again. A total ecological disaster that will impact the entire global population. It sadly makes the Israeli - Palestinian conflict and our own war on terrorism seem truly insignificant in comparison.

There will be no radiocative fallout planetwide. The radiation will of course immediately affect the areas around the blast, but we tested plenty of nukes in our backyard (Nevada, New Mexico, etc.) plus out in the ocean, there were no major worldwide radioactive fallouts from all the nuclear bomb testing that was going on between the US, Russia, France, and others.

The main thing we have to worry about is how many countless millions will die in the immediate vicinity of the blasts and the fact that both would use nukes on eachother without the blink of an eye.

EDIT - Damn you Tcsenter, you beat me to it ;)
 

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Originally posted by: tcsenter
I am not sure you really comprehend what a general nuclear war between India and Pakistan will mean for this planet. Think of Chernobyl . . . now repeat it over and over and over and over again. A total ecological disaster that will impact the entire global population. It sadly makes the Israeli - Palestinian conflict and our own war on terrorism seem truly insignificant in comparison.
Perhaps you could explain how a couple free air nuclear explosions will result in "total ecological disaster that will impact the entire global population" when a few HUNDRED free air nuclear explosions, in tests performed by both the United States and the former Soviet Union, did not?


LOL, true true.

Not to mention that the USSR is reported to have developeed and TESTED a 100+ MEGATON warhead. This is in comparison to something like 5 and 10 kiloton bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

Personally, I think the large cancer epidemic we have can be attributed to all the nuclear testing, but seriously...what's a couple tactical nukes falling on Pakistan and India gonna do to us? Not much more than kill a few million people. Maybe more, depending on what they target. I'm not really concered about the global effects.
 

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Does anyone know what type of effects the US would see from an exchange between India and Pakistan involving several dozen low-yield nukes? Specifically, would radiation reach the US in any significant amount?

Edit: Nevermind, I forgot that Pak and India's nuclear arsenals consist of 10-20kT warheads.
 

compuwiz1

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Does anyone know what type of effects the US would see from an exchange between India and Pakistan involving several dozen low-yield nukes? Specifically, would radiation reach the US in any significant amount?

Nothing that a trip or two to the dermatologist wouldn't fix. Outside of that, I can only guarantee that your babies will all be born naked. ;)
 

Valinos

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From what the guys in the previous posts have brought up and from checking around on my favorite nuclear arms site I would have to say that we wouldn't feel any effects except our troops in nearby regions like Afghanistan.

Edited for backwards link!
 

tcsenter

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Not to mention that the USSR is reported to have developeed and TESTED a 100+ MEGATON warhead
Oh they had it, but never tested it. The last time the Ruskies tested a high yield device was, if my memory serves me correctly, 50 megatons and it knocked 7 orbiting satellites out of commission. Understandibly, they didn't want to find-out what the 100Megger would do...

Not that I believe its 'hunky dorey' or without consequence to be exploding nuclear devices. There are consequences and it is an environmental risk, but lets stop with the dire 'nuclear holocaust' alarmist stuff.
 

bugsysiegel

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Isn't that a stupid thing for Pakistan to say, considering India has the ability to level their entire country in retribution. Do these morons think that once they play the nuclear card, retaliation in kind would not be the inevitable step?
 

tcsenter

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Do these morons think that once they play the nuclear card, retaliation in kind would not be the inevitable step?
The intent is deterrence. Everything after that is irrelevant.