Defense contractor buys congressmans house

Zebo

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Congressman are all corrupt buy they should hide it a little better. They buy his house for 700K more than it's worth, he of course pockets this bonus and pushes legislation and spending they want. Kinda sucks if you're paying for it but pretty good job if you can get it.;)

Lawmaker's home sale questioned

Cunningham defends deal with defense firm's owner

By Marcus Stern
COPLEY NEWS SERVICE

June 12, 2005



Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham, R-Escondido
WASHINGTON ? A defense contractor with ties to Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham took a $700,000 loss on the purchase of the congressman's Del Mar house while the congressman, a member of the influential defense appropriations subcommittee, was supporting the contractor's efforts to get tens of millions of dollars in contracts from the Pentagon.

Mitchell Wade bought the San Diego Republican's house for $1,675,000 in November 2003 and put it back on the market almost immediately for roughly the same price. But the Del Mar house languished unsold and vacant for 261 days before selling for $975,000.

Meanwhile, Cunningham used the proceeds of the $1,675,000 sale to buy a $2.55 million house in Rancho Santa Fe. And Wade, who had been suffering through a flat period in winning Pentagon contracts, was on a tear ? reeling in tens of millions of dollars in defense and intelligence-related contracts.

In an interview Wednesday, Cunningham conceded that the circumstances surrounding the transaction could raise "fair" questions, but he insisted that the real estate deal was legitimate and independent of his efforts to help Wade win contracts.

"My whole life I've lived aboveboard," Cunningham said. "I've never even smoked a marijuana cigarette. I don't cheat. If a contractor buys me lunch and we meet a second time, I buy the lunch. My whole life has been aboveboard and so this doesn't worry me."

Later, he added, "The last thing I would do is get involved in something that, you know, is wrong. And I feel very confident that I haven't done anything wrong."

Congressional and political watchdog organizations expressed concerns, saying the circumstances raise questions about whether the transaction might constitute an illegal campaign contribution or even an official bribe.

"This doesn't look good at all," said Larry Noble, director of the Center for Responsive Politics. "It doesn't look like something that was on the up and up."

"The potential conflicts here are enormous," added Brad White, director of investigations for Public Citizen's Congress Watch.

Wade was traveling without access to a telephone last week, according to Scotty Brumett, an official of Wade's company, MZM Inc. Brumett said Wade purchased the two-story, four-bedroom, three-and-a-half-bath residence to raise MZM's corporate profile in San Diego.

"We were looking at expanding our company presence in San Diego," Brumett said. "We looked at the property and thought it would work for us. But after we bought it, we realized that it did not meet our security or our corporate needs."

So the company placed it back on the market within one month of purchasing it, where it stayed for more than eight months, selling eventually for $700,000 less than the price Wade gave Cunningham.

"I don't know why it didn't sell," said listing agent Elizabeth Todd, a Realtor with the Willis Allen Co. in Del Mar. "I honestly don't. I mean, it's a house in Del Mar west of I-5 and it's a good-sized house. I honestly don't know why."

No Realtor was formally involved when Cunningham sold the house to Wade. But Todd had set the asking price for Cunningham at $1,675,000 and sent a table of comparable house sales to Wade justifying the price, she and Cunningham said. He didn't hire Todd as the listing agent and never paid her a fee, she added. Nor was the house ever posted in the Realtors' multiple listing service, she added.


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Property records don't list Wade or MZM as the buyer of Cunningham's house. Instead, the records state that Cunningham sold the house to 1523 New Hampshire Avenue LLC. Nevada state business records show that Wade owns that company, too. It is the address of his Washington, D.C., office.

"I tried to sell my house," Cunningham explained. "And I told a bunch of other people I wanted to sell it when Mr. Wade said, 'Hey, I'll buy it.' I went through Willis and Allen. They sent him comps. And he said that's a fair price and I'll buy it. Now other than that, I don't know anything about it."

Noble and White portrayed the transaction as suspicious.

"It's not even like he sold the house to a friend who moved in," said Noble. "And MZM wasn't buying an office in San Diego. I don't know a lot of companies that increase their presence by buying a home that they don't live in.

"I mean this whole thing, frankly, raises a lot of serious questions. At the worst end of the scenarios are illegal gifts or, if this transaction was in essence a payment to Cunningham for his help in getting contracts, then you'd be talking about official bribery."

Said White: "Just the circumstances surrounding this deal raise concerns about whether it was legitimate. And it's an important question, because if it wasn't, then this transaction would be a questionable $700,000 gift from an ambitious defense contractor to a sitting member of the House defense appropriations subcommittee."

No mention of Cunningham's real estate transaction with Wade or the lawmaker's subsequent purchase of the $2.55 million house in Rancho Santa Fe appears on the annual financial disclosure form he is required to fill out each year as a member of Congress because personal residences are exempt from the forms.

Cunningham, who also sits on the House Intelligence Committee, has represented the 50th Congressional District since 1990. The district includes several north county communities, such as Carlsbad, Encinitas, San Marcos, Del Mar and Escondido.

Cunningham said his home sale to Wade was totally independent of any assistance he might have given MZM in its efforts to win defense and intelligence contracts.

"I don't have anything to do with contracts," Cunningham said. "The way it works here, I support a lot of credible defense programs for either the Air Force, Navy, shipbuilding, ship repair, intel. And they say, you know, 'Duke, these are good programs. This is what we want to do.' I support those programs like I have literally thousands in San Diego."

The defense appropriations subcommittee drafts the bill that sets specific funding levels for defense programs each year. Committee staff members, acting under the supervision of the chairman and with input from members of the committee, create the initial draft of the spending bill.

With the chairman's approval, subcommittee members are able to insert targeted provisions, frequently benefiting companies, schools or other projects in their congressional districts. This process goes on largely behind closed doors, and the language of the bill rarely identifies the intended beneficiary or the subcommittee member responsible for the provision. Subcommittee members frequently win support for their pet provisions by supporting the provisions of other members.

"It's almost like a swap meet sometimes," said Eric Miller, senior defense investigator for the Project On Government Oversight.

After the draft is completed, the subcommittee, full committee and House must approve the legislation.

Asked if he had supported funding requests benefiting MZM, Cunningham said, "Oh, sure. Just like I have supported Qualcomm and everything else. Titan. SAIC. TRW."

MZM has also been a major contributor to Cunningham's political campaigns, having donated $13,000 in the 2003-04 election cycle.

Asked if he and Wade were friends, Cunningham answered, "No more than I am with (Qualcomm founder) Irwin Jacobs or (Titan Corp. founder) Gene Ray or any of the other CEOs."

Nobody would equate MZM, which is headquartered in the trendy Dupont Circle area in Washington, with San Diego-based giants Qualcomm and Titan. Nor would anyone equate Wade with Jacobs or Ray. Wade was a Pentagon program manager before launching MZM in 1993, and he struggled to get contracts as recently as three years ago.

But in 2003 and 2004, roughly around the time of the house transaction, MZM's fortunes began to soar. In fiscal year 2003, it received $41 million in defense contracts. Since then, MZM has added tens of millions of dollars in additional contracts, including a $5 million sole source contract to provide interpreters in Iraq.

In 2004, MZM had $66 million in revenues, according to Washington Technology magazine, which put the relative corporate newcomer on its 2005 list of "Top 100 Federal Prime Contractors."

MZM offers a broad range of consulting services for national security, intelligence, law enforcement and defense agencies.

Cunningham said he couldn't discuss the MZM programs he's helped advance because they are "very, very classified."

Brumett, the MZM official, refused to discuss any of MZM's contracting activities, saying, "It's government proprietary information and it's also classified."

But MZM's corporate Web site boasts that during 2004, "MZM Inc. experienced significant growth, tripling revenues since the beginning of the year and increasing staff by 285 percent. We look forward to continued growth in 2005."



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azazyel

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Saw that on Fark couldn't believe it but what really struck me as funny was this part..

"My whole life I've lived aboveboard," Cunningham said. "I've never even smoked a marijuana cigarette. I don't cheat. If a contractor buys me lunch and we meet a second time, I buy the lunch. My whole life has been aboveboard and so this doesn't worry me."

I hope he goes down and goes down hard.
 

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An update on Cunningham's situation. The poor guy can't even enjoy the Fourth of July. But that could all be remedied by next year if they have July Fourth pancake breakfasts in prison.

Embattled Congressman Skips July 4th Event

Tuesday July 5, 2005 1:46 PM

By SETH HETTENA

Associated Press Writer

ENCINITAS, Calif. (AP) - Congressman Randy ``Duke'' Cunningham canceled his annual appearance at a July Fourth pancake breakfast in his district to avoid a media frenzy over the growing scandal shadowing the eight-term Republican.

Three days earlier, the FBI raided Cunningham's San Diego-area home as authorities intensified their investigation of the congressman's financial dealings.

The pancake breakfast was to have been Cunningham's first public event since last month's disclosure that the congressman sold his previous home to a defense contractor for what may have been an inflated price. Organizers received word Sunday the congressman would not attend.

``We thought it would be a media frenzy as well as possibly a lot of people with different agendas and we didn't want to distract from the spirit of the event,'' said Cunningham spokesman Mark Olson.

The event seemed tailor-made for the former Navy ``Top Gun'' fighter pilot and Vietnam war ace: A flag-waving crowd dressed in red, white and blue cheered speeches by a Navy chaplain and a Boy Scout color guard and a rendition of Lee Greenwood's ``God Bless the USA.''

On Friday, the FBI searched Cunningham's $2.55 million mansion in the exclusive community of Rancho Santa Fe as well as the 42-foot yacht, the ``Duke Stir,'' owned by Mitchell Wade, the founder of the defense firm MZM Inc., and the company's offices.

Wade bought Cunningham's previous home, and Cunningham has resided on his yacht in Washington. If he was living on Wade's boat for free, that could be a violation of congressional ethics rules.

Wade bought Cunningham's house for $1.675 million in 2003 and sold it nearly a year later for a $975,000 - a $700,000 loss in one of the nation's hottest housing markets.

Cunningham has admitted he showed ``poor judgment'' in selling his home to Wade but said he acted honestly and predicted the investigation would clear him. MZM has said it is cooperating with the investigation. Wade has not commented publicly.
 

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Originally posted by: BDawg
Did Dave post about this already?

I don't know. I searched this thread to avoid a re-post. There could have been others. I used the most recent hit.
 

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Ande the Democratic party bought Bill Clintons house. If memory serves, it was 1.8 mil. Anything new you would like to post?
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: Condor
Ande the Democratic party bought Bill Clintons house. If memory serves, it was 1.8 mil. Anything new you would like to post?

I was of the impression that Hillary's book deal bought their house. Any proof of your allegation? Or is this just more of the usual smoke and mirrors?
 

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Condor
Ande the Democratic party bought Bill Clintons house. If memory serves, it was 1.8 mil. Anything new you would like to post?

I was of the impression that Hillary's book deal bought their house. Any proof of your allegation? Or is this just more of the usual smoke and mirrors?

Do some reading and get it straight. The last I heard in the mainstream (Clinton) media, the Dims loaned him the money for the house and I never saw where he paid it back. You got anything that proves he paid it up in full?

 

BBond

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Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Condor
Ande the Democratic party bought Bill Clintons house. If memory serves, it was 1.8 mil. Anything new you would like to post?

I was of the impression that Hillary's book deal bought their house. Any proof of your allegation? Or is this just more of the usual smoke and mirrors?

Do some reading and get it straight. The last I heard in the mainstream (Clinton) media, the Dims loaned him the money for the house and I never saw where he paid it back. You got anything that proves he paid it up in full?

I have no idea whether the Clintons' mortgage is paid in full or not. I don't know if the Clintons even have a mortgage or if they paid cash for their home. I do remember Republicans whining about how unfair it was for Hillary to make a small fortune off of her book deal though.

Do you have any proof that the Democratic Party paid for the Clintons' house?
 

BBond

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PS Do you consider a defense contractor buying a politician's home for $700,000 over market value an OK arrangement?
 
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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Condor
Ande the Democratic party bought Bill Clintons house. If memory serves, it was 1.8 mil. Anything new you would like to post?

I was of the impression that Hillary's book deal bought their house. Any proof of your allegation? Or is this just more of the usual smoke and mirrors?

Do some reading and get it straight. The last I heard in the mainstream (Clinton) media, the Dims loaned him the money for the house and I never saw where he paid it back. You got anything that proves he paid it up in full?

I have no idea whether the Clintons' mortgage is paid in full or not. I don't know if the Clintons even have a mortgage or if they paid cash for their home. I do remember Republicans whining about how unfair it was for Hillary to make a small fortune off of her book deal though.

Do you have any proof that the Democratic Party paid for the Clintons' house?


For the sake of accuracy:

When the Clintons bought the house in NY they originally asked several wealthy Dems to underwrite their mortgage. Basically to put $1.3 million in escrow as a guarantee that they would pay the mortgage off. Eventually Terry MacAuliffe agreed to do just that. It was later determined to be an illegal gift so Terry took the money back and the Clintons went and got a real mortgage. The reasoning behind the Clintons attemp to secure a securities backed mortgage was to save a point on the loan thus saving them about $15k per year in interest.

In the end the Clintons paid for their own home.

Of course they furnished it with all the crap they stole from the whitehouse.......

And yeah... if the congressman got a sweetheart deal on his house from a defense contractor and it turns out to be an illegal transaction then he needs to go away.
 

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So Condor, do you think what Cunningham did was right or wrong? It would appear that your accusations against the Clintons are innacurate. I'm sure you can find another shady deal the Clintons or some other democrat has done, but I think that misses the point. I don't deny that your accusations (if they had proven accurate) would indicate that the Clintons had done something wrong and should be punished for their crime, but do you admit the same for Cunningham? You seem to be defending Cunningham's actions, which I find odd.
 

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Even if the democratic party bought the clinton's home and gave it to them outright, it would not represent the conflict of interest that receiving $700k from a defense contractor poses, when you are in power to give defense contracts.
 

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Condor
Ande the Democratic party bought Bill Clintons house. If memory serves, it was 1.8 mil. Anything new you would like to post?

I was of the impression that Hillary's book deal bought their house. Any proof of your allegation? Or is this just more of the usual smoke and mirrors?

Do some reading and get it straight. The last I heard in the mainstream (Clinton) media, the Dims loaned him the money for the house and I never saw where he paid it back. You got anything that proves he paid it up in full?

I have no idea whether the Clintons' mortgage is paid in full or not. I don't know if the Clintons even have a mortgage or if they paid cash for their home. I do remember Republicans whining about how unfair it was for Hillary to make a small fortune off of her book deal though.

Do you have any proof that the Democratic Party paid for the Clintons' house?


For the sake of accuracy:

When the Clintons bought the house in NY they originally asked several wealthy Dems to underwrite their mortgage. Basically to put $1.3 million in escrow as a guarantee that they would pay the mortgage off. Eventually Terry MacAuliffe agreed to do just that. It was later determined to be an illegal gift so Terry took the money back and the Clintons went and got a real mortgage. The reasoning behind the Clintons attemp to secure a securities backed mortgage was to save a point on the loan thus saving them about $15k per year in interest.

In the end the Clintons paid for their own home.

Of course they furnished it with all the crap they stole from the whitehouse.......

And yeah... if the congressman got a sweetheart deal on his house from a defense contractor and it turns out to be an illegal transaction then he needs to go away.

BTW, the crap they stole from the White House was another psyop story from Rove. All of the supposed "damage" done on their departure was all a bunch of bullsh!t too.

WTFU, this is very old non-news.

No Truth in Clinton White House Vandal Scandal, GSA Reports

 

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Originally posted by: Condor
Ande the Democratic party bought Bill Clintons house. If memory serves, it was 1.8 mil. Anything new you would like to post?

You're trying to divert attention from the topic at hand. Two wrongs don't make a right.
 

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Originally posted by: NeenerNeener
Even if the democratic party bought the clinton's home and gave it to them outright, it would not represent the conflict of interest that receiving $700k from a defense contractor poses, when you are in power to give defense contracts.

If a political party gave a gift to one of its prominent members, then all the donation and contribution laws come into play. Whether or not it's popular (donors might be pissed), is it a legal use of political party funds to buy a house for a party member? That's the only question that could come to a court. I am clueless about how much money a party can give a prominent member, or what the penalties are.

However, when a government lobbyist / contractor does any transaction with a Congressman, then the lobbying / contracting rules come into play. First, the prosecutor would try prove that they intentionally overpaid by $700,000 - that should be pretty easy since they couldn't sell it for the same amount they bought it, and the market hadn't crashed or anything. Even if they had paid the exact market rate for the house, then they still were doing the Congressman a favor by giving him money for his house. They shouldn't be doing any private business at all with government officials, let alone one who's directly involved with contracts they are bidding on.
 

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Originally posted by: HombrePequeno
Originally posted by: Condor
Ande the Democratic party bought Bill Clintons house. If memory serves, it was 1.8 mil. Anything new you would like to post?

You're trying to divert attention from the topic at hand. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Oh please stop making sense...it may give him a headache.
 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Condor
Ande the Democratic party bought Bill Clintons house. If memory serves, it was 1.8 mil. Anything new you would like to post?

I was of the impression that Hillary's book deal bought their house. Any proof of your allegation? Or is this just more of the usual smoke and mirrors?

Do some reading and get it straight. The last I heard in the mainstream (Clinton) media, the Dims loaned him the money for the house and I never saw where he paid it back. You got anything that proves he paid it up in full?

I have no idea whether the Clintons' mortgage is paid in full or not. I don't know if the Clintons even have a mortgage or if they paid cash for their home. I do remember Republicans whining about how unfair it was for Hillary to make a small fortune off of her book deal though.

Do you have any proof that the Democratic Party paid for the Clintons' house?


It was all over CNN in the day. You were what? Asleep!
 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: tss4
So Condor, do you think what Cunningham did was right or wrong? It would appear that your accusations against the Clintons are innacurate. I'm sure you can find another shady deal the Clintons or some other democrat has done, but I think that misses the point. I don't deny that your accusations (if they had proven accurate) would indicate that the Clintons had done something wrong and should be punished for their crime, but do you admit the same for Cunningham? You seem to be defending Cunningham's actions, which I find odd.

I did state that I was going from memory. I wasn't defending Cunningham, just balancing the debate. If he had been a Dim, it would never have come up on this forum. The thread was easily identified as just another Bush bashing off the side rail. I hate bias in the postings and refute it with stronger bias. Politicians take gifts all the time. Government employees are forbidden to do so and have to work out a sweetheart deal with the contracting company so that they get theirs after retirement. It is wrong to do so and that is one reason that I left the beltway on retirement (the other reason was that I just hated the area). I actually had retired congressmen come to me and try to get me to do business with companies that they represented after the companies had already screwed the taxpayer and I had cut them off. Nope, I just never thought it was right to accept that retirement consultation or the free Mercedes. I had associates that were bought off with as little as a free gas grill.

 

imported_tss4

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Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: tss4
So Condor, do you think what Cunningham did was right or wrong? It would appear that your accusations against the Clintons are innacurate. I'm sure you can find another shady deal the Clintons or some other democrat has done, but I think that misses the point. I don't deny that your accusations (if they had proven accurate) would indicate that the Clintons had done something wrong and should be punished for their crime, but do you admit the same for Cunningham? You seem to be defending Cunningham's actions, which I find odd.

I did state that I was going from memory. I wasn't defending Cunningham, just balancing the debate. If he had been a Dim, it would never have come up on this forum.

tisk, tisk. It would have come up just as fast becuase you or one of the conservatives would have brought it up exactly like the liberals did here. And you would have been right to do so.

The thread was easily identified as just another Bush bashing off the side rail.

The public has every right to criticise such unlawful conduct. To say nothing is to condone it.

I hate bias in the postings and refute it with stronger bias.

Then you accomplish nothing and become a partisan hack too.

Politicians take gifts all the time. Government employees are forbidden to do so and have to work out a sweetheart deal with the contracting company so that they get theirs after retirement. It is wrong to do so and that is one reason that I left the beltway on retirement (the other reason was that I just hated the area). I actually had retired congressmen come to me and try to get me to do business with companies that they represented after the companies had already screwed the taxpayer and I had cut them off. Nope, I just never thought it was right to accept that retirement consultation or the free Mercedes. I had associates that were bought off with as little as a free gas grill.

Then you should have turned them in. What they did was a crime if the gas grill was worth more than $50 (which I'm sure it was). I work for the government too and I can safely say that the corruption you speak of is not the rule, everywhere. But it requires that we not condone behavior through ignoring it. Just like we shouldn't condone Cunningham's behavior by passing it off as common behavior. Democrats and Republicans do this sort of thing all the time and accepting gifts is wrong no matter the party. If you want to make the bias people in this thread look like retards then simply say:" You're right, this cunningham sounds like slime, we don't need him in our party. He should go to jail." Then you don't sound like a partisan hack too.

 

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Cunningham won't run for re-election

SAN MARCOS ? Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham, targeted by wide-ranging investigations into his financial dealings with a defense contractor, announced yesterday that he will not run for re-election next year.

At least he decided to retire before the voters boot he out. I hope they continue the investigation though because this is some shady stuff. Hopefully, Delay will be next to be retired.