Defeated, the Iranian Reformists have Given Up

[Sacrilege]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl...iran-protest-crackdown

Tonight, sporadic gunfire was heard in northern parts of Tehran, yet there was no repeat of the mass protests that have brought hundreds of thousands to the streets of the capital over the last week.

Meanwhile, the regime was turning its attention to more distant adversaries, with Ahmadinejad blaming the US, as well as Britain, for the crisis.

Business as usual it seems. The street protesters will fade back into Iranian society, grow older and more conservative, and never speak about their youthful rebellion.

Israel will strike the Iranian nuclear facilities, uniting Iranians against the Jewish state and strengthening support for Ahmadinejad and the clerical leadership.

Obama's overtures at peace will not work, and he will be a one term president due to ineffective foreign policies, massive budget deficits, and failed domestic initiatives (stimulus, health care).

In November 2012, Sarah Palin will become America's first female president, and in her state of the union address that spring, demonize Iran by reiterating it as part of the New Axis of Evil (Along with North Korea and a randomly selected Muslin nation, perhaps Pakistan, or maybe Burma).

Palin's words and harder line on Iranian interests will solidify support for conservatives in Iran and in their June 2012 elections they will choose a conservative to replace Ahmadinejad.

 

[nullzero]

I don't know what your talking about. It seems the protesting and coup against the Iranian government has just started. Wait for stage two... when sporadic groups of armed protesters start firing back.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: nullzero
I don't know what your talking about. It seems the protesting and coup against the Iranian government has just started. Wait for stage two... when sporadic groups of armed protesters start firing back.

agreed

op fails

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Let's see who shows up for work tomorrow. Economics are far more powerful than weapons. One week of a general strike will bring the government to it's knees

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Sacrilege
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl...iran-protest-crackdown

Tonight, sporadic gunfire was heard in northern parts of Tehran, yet there was no repeat of the mass protests that have brought hundreds of thousands to the streets of the capital over the last week.

Meanwhile, the regime was turning its attention to more distant adversaries, with Ahmadinejad blaming the US, as well as Britain, for the crisis.

Business as usual it seems. The street protesters will fade back into Iranian society, grow older and more conservative, and never speak about their youthful rebellion.

Israel will strike the Iranian nuclear facilities, uniting Iranians against the Jewish state and strengthening support for Ahmadinejad and the clerical leadership.

Obama's overtures at peace will not work, and he will be a one term president due to ineffective foreign policies, massive budget deficits, and failed domestic initiatives (stimulus, health care).

In November 2012, Sarah Palin will become America's first female president, and in her state of the union address that spring, demonize Iran by reiterating it as part of the New Axis of Evil (Along with North Korea and a randomly selected Muslin nation, perhaps Pakistan, or maybe Burma).

Palin's words and harder line on Iranian interests will solidify support for conservatives in Iran and in their June 2012 elections they will choose a conservative to replace Ahmadinejad.

I assume this is a parody post?

 

[nullzero]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Let's see who shows up for work tomorrow. Economics are far more powerful than weapons. One week of a general strike will bring the government to it's knees

Tell that to North Korea lol. It only works in certain situations, if the government becomes a totalitarian death squad type its very hard to shut them down by economic means. (Because of forced labor camps etc. that will still keep the farms running and manufacturing).

 

[ElFenix]

video purportedly from today near the UN office in tehran. tweets are claiming the cries of allaho akbar and marg bar dictator are louder than ever tonight. this report from the guardian seems premature.

also, the ceremony for neda is to be held at 4:30 tomorrow. surely that will be a major event.

 

[Lemon law]

The last time we had a neocon President with dreams similar to sacrilege, there was many a slip between cup and lip.

It may be a great hollywood script for the GOP, but when the various actors don't follow the script, it may not end up working that way as we learned the hard way.

Just what we need, more bouncing baby quagmires. And unlike Iraq or Afghanistan, Iran is no paper tiger, Iran has a plethora of effective weapons that can stop an occupation cold. And take out any means of transportation that tries to move. From oil tankers to shanks horses and everything in between.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

There are two very important differences between Iran and NK. The former consists of a proud and educated public. NK is comprised of a beaten and ignorant population raised in a culture of submission. The second distinction is that the military reflects it's people. If Iran was NK a hundred thousand would already be dead. These are hardly comparable societies

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Sacrilege

Topic Summary: If these people had the 2nd Amendment things might have turned out differently.

And if your grandmother had balls she might have been your grandfather. Beyond that, all you've got is idle speculation about nothing.

Obama's overtures at peace will not work, and he will be a one term president due to ineffective foreign policies, massive budget deficits, and failed domestic initiatives (stimulus, health care).

And more idle, and even less informed speculation.

In November 2012, Sarah Palin will become America's first female president...

BUAHAHAHAhahahaha!!! :laugh:

Palin is a brainless twit. With any luck, by the next election, she'll be irrelevant to politics as she is useless to humanity... but the moose better duck for cover. :shocked:

 

[nullzero]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
There are two very important differences between Iran and NK. The former consists of a proud and educated public. NK is comprised of a beaten and ignorant population raised in a culture of submission. The second distinction is that the military reflects it's people. If Iran was NK a hundred thousand would already be dead. These are hardly comparable societies

A country could take a turn for the worst very fast. Look at Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Stalin Russia, etc.

If the Iranian government cracked down by rounding up all the protesters and shipping them off to work camps in the desert. Then went door to door burning homes of supporters and cutting off the flow of information to the people (The situation in Iran could change for the worse very fast). Using the hard line religious group in Iran as its backbone they could pump out propaganda and their power base, saying that Israel and American was behind the protesting etc. (which they are already doing).

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
The last time we had a neocon President with dreams similar to sacrilege, there was many a slip between cup and lip.

It may be a great hollywood script for the GOP, but when the various actors don't follow the script, it may not end up working that way as we learned the hard way.

Just what we need, more bouncing baby quagmires. And unlike Iraq or Afghanistan, Iran is no paper tiger, Iran has a plethora of effective weapons that can stop an occupation cold. And take out any means of transportation that tries to move. From oil tankers to shanks horses and everything in between.

What are shanks horses?

 

[UberNeuman]

I've been reading the pro-attack Iran postings around the internet for so long, I just can't tell if the OP is serious or pulling my leg....

/bravo, OP...

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Of course any country could do as you describe, so it's possible yet do keep in mind that there is much dissent at the highest levels of government and that the Revolutionary Guard isn't the most powerful military institution in Iran. I suspect that if the rank and file military had the choice of supporting an increasingly unpopular government or firing on their brothers they'd support the latter. It may be soon that we find out for sure.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: Sacrilege
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl...iran-protest-crackdown

Tonight, sporadic gunfire was heard in northern parts of Tehran, yet there was no repeat of the mass protests that have brought hundreds of thousands to the streets of the capital over the last week.

Meanwhile, the regime was turning its attention to more distant adversaries, with Ahmadinejad blaming the US, as well as Britain, for the crisis.

Business as usual it seems. The street protesters will fade back into Iranian society, grow older and more conservative, and never speak about their youthful rebellion.

Israel will strike the Iranian nuclear facilities, uniting Iranians against the Jewish state and strengthening support for Ahmadinejad and the clerical leadership.

Obama's overtures at peace will not work, and he will be a one term president due to ineffective foreign policies, massive budget deficits, and failed domestic initiatives (stimulus, health care).

In November 2012, Sarah Palin will become America's first female president, and in her state of the union address that spring, demonize Iran by reiterating it as part of the New Axis of Evil (Along with North Korea and a randomly selected Muslin nation, perhaps Pakistan, or maybe Burma).

Palin's words and harder line on Iranian interests will solidify support for conservatives in Iran and in their June 2012 elections they will choose a conservative to replace Ahmadinejad.

and...

Joe Biden will open a chain of fast food restaurants and will wear a chicken outfit on TV to peddle his new food.

NK will sign a peace treaty with Sara Palin and Sara's youngest daughter will be married to kim's youngest son.

Obama will begin smoking again and live a life in recluse wondering why he didn't go down the road to war like Bush.

Sacrilege as he was known at the time on anandtech will become the grand wizard and sit to the right of Sara Palin and use his wisdom to guide america into a future of total domination.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Dang fusetalk won't accept quoting posts with the iPod

 

[Sacrilege]

My post may be slightly parody, but I think the protests could easily be quelled, bottled up for a few more years at least. We have seen the "revolutions" in recent years in countries around the world.... "orange", "pink", "purple", "crimson", etc. Many were in nations which are free-er than Iran. But don't forget the "saffron revolution" in Burma which has completely been bottled up. Granted, Burma may be more closed and authoritarian than Iran, but all we have seen so far in Iran are fights between some cops, militia thugs, and protesters. There are still two armies which could be deployed against the protesters. The regular army may be reluctant, but if the Revolutionary Guard thinks their power or future is in jeopardy, you can be sure they'll fight for real.

My point is, it takes a lot more than throwing rocks and burning motorcycles to change a regime that wields absolute power. And if the clerics feel threatened, I predict they will crack down. Survival is a very strong instinct, and those in all-powerful positions like to hold onto their power at all costs.

 

[Lemon law]

Feralkid asks, what are shanks horses? Short answer, its slang called human beings walking on their own two legs.

Rule of thumb, 50 troops needed per 100 of population to run an effective military occupation, Iran is a nation of 80 million people, 1.6 million troops needed. And all 80 million
Iranians would be hopping mad, at any occupational forces.

 

[Aimster]

It took 2 years to overthrow the Shah.

This is not over. It's not going to take a week or a month. It takes time

 

[MovingTarget]

I don't think it is over just yet. One day of semi-quiet protests does not mean the end. You have to remember the number killed/wounded in this round of protests and the cultural mourning cycles. The shit could really hit the fan 40 days from now, same as it did with the Shah. Either way, even if the protests are quelled, Iran will not be the same.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Sacrilege
My post may be slightly parody, but I think the protests could easily be quelled, bottled up for a few more years at least. We have seen the "revolutions" in recent years in countries around the world.... "orange", "pink", "purple", "crimson", etc. Many were in nations which are free-er than Iran. But don't forget the "saffron revolution" in Burma which has completely been bottled up. Granted, Burma may be more closed and authoritarian than Iran, but all we have seen so far in Iran are fights between some cops, militia thugs, and protesters. There are still two armies which could be deployed against the protesters. The regular army may be reluctant, but if the Revolutionary Guard thinks their power or future is in jeopardy, you can be sure they'll fight for real.

My point is, it takes a lot more than throwing rocks and burning motorcycles to change a regime that wields absolute power. And if the clerics feel threatened, I predict they will crack down. Survival is a very strong instinct, and those in all-powerful positions like to hold onto their power at all costs.

Slightly? Damn, Sacrilege. That post gave me the same hopeless feeling as the 1987 tv series 'amerika' where the russians took over the u.s.

 

[Phokus]

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[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: Phokus
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:laugh:

No linking from this host.

Might want to host elsewhere....

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: Phokus
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:laugh:

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/1005/nancytti.png

Might want to host elsewhere....

fixed

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: Phokus
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/1005/nancytti.png

:laugh:

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/1005/nancytti.png

Might want to host elsewhere....

fixed

Nah, I still think they can drag out the Caylee Anthony thing for a few more months. That harpee Nancy Grace doesn't deserve to be on any 'news' channel. She's no reporter.