Default multiplier and voltage settings for an Athlon XP 3200+?

[CZroe]

Just need the settings without all the smoke and mirrors of the "+" ratings...

Because Mobile Athlon XPs are totally unlocked CPUs, the system doesn't seem to even know what the default multiplier is!

Anyway, I set it to 200(400)FSB 10x multiplier and restarted and it went into a "Safe Mode" (mobo feature, there is no hard drive or Windows installation). I'm told that I have a stepping with a near-100% success at 2.6GHz. I assume it's because the voltage is defaulting to a mobile CPUs much lower setting. So what is the default CPU multiplier and voltage for an XP3200+? For the time being, that's the speed I'm aiming for no matter what it OC's to.

Update: Ran MEMTEST86 at 1.2GHz and test 5 is giving me tens of thousands of errors on test 5... I was told that the SN45G is picky about memory support (512MB PC3200 Mushkin 2.5CAS value RAM)

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

11x200.

 

[Budman]

11 x 200 @ 1.65v that's the default for a non mobile 3200 + barton.

 

[CZroe]

Thanks a lot! Running memtest at default clock and it's up to test 7 without error. I'll try with those settings too

 

[CZroe]

One more question, I know it's common but I'm talking about this specific CPU (XP 3200+): What temps are normal? No extreme cooling. Just stock/OEM stuff (I don't have a choice in an XPC )

 

[LED]

Originally posted by: CZroe
One more question, I know it's common but I'm talking about this specific CPU (XP 3200+): What temps are normal? No extreme cooling. Just stock/OEM stuff (I don't have a choice in an XPC )

Under 50C idle

 

[CZroe]

Hmm... Well it was doing 50C at default clock and voltage. Yeah, I know the Shuttle I.C.E. HSFs aren't stellar performers but I don't think I'll be able to go far like that. Maybe the AS 5 needs to break in?

Even so, the system is supposed to support a 3200+ and these mobile Barton's are supposed to be the exact same thing when used with the same settings. Haven't heard of anyone yet who hasn't hit 3200+ at stock 3200+ settings but my Shuttle keeps puting me into "Safe Mode"

 

[Sonic587]

You can try under volting it to reduce temps. My AXP-M does 3200+ stable with about 1.5V.

 

[CZroe]

Hmm... Well mine's not stable at any speed when I set 200(400)FSB!

Running the IQYHA stepping instead of the older AQYHA which is getting to insane overclocks for everyone else. Both chips could supposedly do 3200+ specs with nothing special. Instead, it flakes out when I bump the FSB to 200 even if I keep the multiplier at the bare-minimum the motherboard allows me to select and leave it at 3200+ voltages. Just tons of errors in memtest. I was told that the Mushkin modules may not work well at their rated CAS2.5 but I relaxed the timings at CAS3 and still get errors. I'm not interested in trying "in between" frequencies, but it seems that the CPU just can't do 200(400) FSB. It seems doubtful that that's the case, but that's what I'm experiencing.

Edit: Looks like it easily does 3200+ speeds at 100(200)FSB

This really sucks. Guess I just hit one that can't do 200(400)FSB. The memory is running at 200MHz the entire time.

 

[Budman]

Originally posted by: CZroe
Hmm... Well mine's not stable at any speed when I set 200(400)FSB!

Running the IQYHA stepping instead of the older AQYHA which is getting to insane overclocks for everyone else. Both chips could supposedly do 3200+ specs with nothing special. Instead, it flakes out when I bump the FSB to 200 even if I keep the multiplier at the bare-minimum the motherboard allows me to select and leave it at 3200+ voltages. Just tons of errors in memtest. I was told that the Mushkin modules may not work well at their rated CAS2.5 but I relaxed the timings at CAS3 and still get errors. I'm not interested in trying "in between" frequencies, but it seems that the CPU just can't do 200(400) FSB. It seems doubtful that that's the case, but that's what I'm experiencing.

Edit: Looks like it easily does 3200+ speeds at 100(200)FSB

This really sucks. Guess I just hit one that can't do 200(400)FSB. The memory is running at 200MHz the entire time.

that sucks not being able to do 200mhz reliably.

But can you do 166mhz? maybe you can find a middle ground? maybe 175 - 180 ?

since it's unlocked you should be able to find the sweet spot.

 

[Budman]

Originally posted by: Sonic587
You can try under volting it to reduce temps. My AXP-M does 3200+ stable with about 1.5V.

Ditto,my mobile can do 3200+ speeds at 1.5v too.

 

[Sonic587]

Originally posted by: CZroe
Hmm... Well mine's not stable at any speed when I set 200(400)FSB!

Running the IQYHA stepping instead of the older AQYHA which is getting to insane overclocks for everyone else. Both chips could supposedly do 3200+ specs with nothing special. Instead, it flakes out when I bump the FSB to 200 even if I keep the multiplier at the bare-minimum the motherboard allows me to select and leave it at 3200+ voltages. Just tons of errors in memtest. I was told that the Mushkin modules may not work well at their rated CAS2.5 but I relaxed the timings at CAS3 and still get errors. I'm not interested in trying "in between" frequencies, but it seems that the CPU just can't do 200(400) FSB. It seems doubtful that that's the case, but that's what I'm experiencing.

Edit: Looks like it easily does 3200+ speeds at 100(200)FSB

This really sucks. Guess I just hit one that can't do 200(400)FSB. The memory is running at 200MHz the entire time.

I think you're getting errors in memtest due to your motherboardboard/RAM. If your mobile can't hit 400FSB, it would litterally be the first one I've EVER seen not able to.

 

[CZroe]

Well, it ran memtest for hours at 166(333)FSB with no errors. When the system POSTs I see the memory and FSB frequencies. The memory has been set to "By SPD" so it's been 200(400)MHz the whole time, even when I'm running at 1600MHz and it's passing memtest flawlessly. I changed SPD to Auto and saw lower-than previous timings selected. I selected Expert and manually adjusted every timing to one notch slower than the original SPD values. I then set the memory to run at 50% of it's rated speed. That leaves it at 100(200) instead of 200(400)MHz. I then cranked up the FSB to 200(400) and let her rip @ 1600MHz. The memory should not have been a problem. It's running slower than it was when it was passing before! Sure enough, I stil get the errors so it doesn't seem to be the memory.

I'm with you guys though, I still think a mobile should hit 400FSB... All I've got are some no-name DDR266 modules to try in dual-channel mode

 

[Budman]

Originally posted by: CZroe
Well, it ran memtest for hours at 166(333)FSB with no errors. When the system POSTs I see the memory and FSB frequencies. The memory has been set to "By SPD" so it's been 200(400)MHz the whole time, even when I'm running at 1600MHz and it's passing memtest flawlessly. I changed SPD to Auto and saw lower-than previous timings selected. I selected Expert and manually adjusted every timing to one notch slower than the original SPD values. I then set the memory to run at 50% of it's rated speed. That leaves it at 100(200) instead of 200(400)MHz. I then cranked up the FSB to 200(400) and let her rip @ 1600MHz. The memory should not have been a problem. It's running slower than it was when it was passing before! Sure enough, I stil get the errors so it doesn't seem to be the memory.

I'm with you guys though, I still think a mobile should hit 400FSB... All I've got are some no-name DDR266 modules to try in dual-channel mode

from what you tell me it looks like it's not your ram or the cpu that's the problem.

It looks like it's the chipset that can't handle 200mhz.

Is your chipset heatsink very hot? can you add more voltage to it in the bios to help stabilize it?

 

[CZroe]

Well, it's an Ultra400 so it should be able to cut it. The temps don't get over 55C from what I can see.

I tried some crap-tastic DDR266 and as soon as I select 400FSB I get the errors even though the RAM is running at 133MHz. Tested fine at 333 or 266FSB.

 

[PizzaDude]

Originally posted by: CZroe
Hmm... Well mine's not stable at any speed when I set 200(400)FSB!

Running the IQYHA stepping instead of the older AQYHA which is getting to insane overclocks for everyone else. Both chips could supposedly do 3200+ specs with nothing special. Instead, it flakes out when I bump the FSB to 200 even if I keep the multiplier at the bare-minimum the motherboard allows me to select and leave it at 3200+ voltages. Just tons of errors in memtest. I was told that the Mushkin modules may not work well at their rated CAS2.5 but I relaxed the timings at CAS3 and still get errors. I'm not interested in trying "in between" frequencies, but it seems that the CPU just can't do 200(400) FSB. It seems doubtful that that's the case, but that's what I'm experiencing.

Edit: Looks like it easily does 3200+ speeds at 100(200)FSB

This really sucks. Guess I just hit one that can't do 200(400)FSB. The memory is running at 200MHz the entire time.

I highly doubt your CPU isn't performing. Sounds like the motherboard to me.

 

[CZroe]

How can I show this for RMA authorization?

 

[maluckey]

You don't have to prove it, just state that under no circumstances will the board stabilize at 200 Mhz FSB. That's notmally enough. If you have the XP-M Barton, then you would inded have the only one ever made to not be stable at 200 Mhz FSB. If you have satisfied yourself, and can explain to the vendor why you think that the board is unstable, then you will likely get authorization.

 

[CZroe]

Thanks! Anyone know how well Newegg handles these things? Shipping costs have got to be exorbant. Do they cover them?

Also, I just tried a brand new stick of Kingston HyperX PC3200 and get the same thing. Just got it retail at Circuit City today during our Georgia tax-free holiday. Also saw the same thing retail at Best Buy for $200!

The BIOS was not the latest revision like I originally thought it was because the latest version on the website says April 2003 when it is actually 2004. I updated to the latest BIOS with "better memory support" and I STILL get the problem. Of course, I've fully cleared the memory of any suspicion already.

So you're saying that the chances that it is my CPU to blame are small enough that I shouldn't even try the guy-at-work's Mobile Barton 2400+ (IQYHA stepping also) if he'll let me?

 

[CZroe]

Well, I'm borrowing the guy-at-work's Mobile 2400+ anyway. The thing is, he chipped his old one and he actually hasn't used the new one with the IQYHA stepping so he hasn't confirmed it to be capable of 400FSB yet. Hasn't tried it because he somehow fried his Abit NF7 too (Really bad luck). Though you guys say it's not necessary because all Mobile 2400+ CPUs known can do it, I figure that all known nForce2 Ultra400 boards can too :roll: The CPU isn't rated at 400FSB and the motherboard is so I've gotta eliminate that factor first (Though I too suspect the motherboard and, being untested, this still isn't confirmation anyway).

 

[CZroe]

**This item is warranted through the product manufacturer only.

Damn, Shuttle had better not send me back a refurbished unit. It's rather just send in the board only. Then again, maybe I'd get the version 2.0 w/ SilentX 250w upgrade?

Edit:

Damn again

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[CZroe]

Well, that fixed it. I had the same problem with the coworker's CPU because it was identical. I meantioned my 400FSB troubles at sfftech because several other users had similar problems that I thought could have been affected by the same FSB-flawed board. They told me about the L12 mod.

I dropped a little wire into the CPU socket and installed the CPU. FSB now defaults to 200/400 and passes flawlessly. Why would the default FSB have any bearing on the maximum attainable FSB on an unlocked CPU?!