dedicated server, for files, etc. at home... now also, yarmnct(rate my new computer thread)

[MikeMike]

ok, i am going to be setting up a dedicated server at my uncles house, to serve as a firewall, and server. basically, install 2 nics on it, and use that to route the modem, to the router (yes more complicated, but should be better for 6 computers instead of having software firewalls on all, have that computer w/ zone alarm, and have another firewall behind it (router) this would work correct? or am i doing it wrong, and should put the dedicated server behind the router? (this seems a lil better to me, but how can i secure the whole network w/ other firewalls, other than just the routers?)

ok as for the server itself.

120gb se's in raid 1 for backup
amd xp 3200+ for speed.
2gb ram
mobo
9800aiw
audigy 2
dvd-rw
dvd-rom
17" flat screen


sounds good?


actually i am thinking of getting, a cheap via mobo w/ integrated everything, and a decent, but not super exspensive case along w/ a dvd-rom, and 512mb ram, and an 80gb hd. a keyboard and mouse, no monitor, maybe no kb/mouse??. it will be up 24/7 and i wont be there to mess with it. so i should run xp pro i am assuming? i have never used linux, but as soon as MY dsl is activated, i will have the final cd for it, and throw it onto my old 233. if i knew linux, i would use it. set it up, and put the 80gb as a shared, drive, but make it so the drive looks, like a normal hd on their computers(how?) then allow them to d/l their stuff to there, and to save important files, or whatever on to their, saving space on their hd. um, then get a router, and network everything up (any decent 8 port + routers?)

and the server will have their printers, and that hooked up to it, so they print through it i gotta figure out how many printers they have though.

everything sound good? any suggestions?

MIKE

 

[BD231]

WAYYYYYYY to much power dude, unless your using it as a personal gaming computer. You don't leave power house computers on 24/7 to do such mundain tasks, it's not only a waste of money, but a waste of power consumption considering the fact that you'd have to have an air conditioner running 24/7 to normalize room temps with such a setup. K6-2 to Pent. III, maybe a P4 based Celeron setup.

PS: I have a PIII 866 on a CUV4X with 1.5gigs of ram, works great for me

 

[dexvx]

For what you're describing, a P2-350 with 256MB of ram is enough.

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

Get a tualeron. Around $45 and they're cool and efficient.

 

[EeyoreX]

Nevermind, I actually reread the post and it made my suggestions moot, lol.

\Dan

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
Get a tualeron. Around $45 and they're cool and efficient.

Even a Tualeron is serious overkill for a router. Hell, I route off a P120/64MB Linux rig. Another P133 box handles fileserving.

- M4H

 

[Twista]

WTF YOU PUTTIGN A 9800 AIW IN A ROUTER? get a p2 machine and i be fine.

 

[StraightPipe]

I'm going to have to agree with those before me, when I saw those specs, I was thinking, "he wants to use this as a dedicated server?"

I have a P3 450mhz box that I use as a dedicated downloading server, give it much ram as the oldskool mobo will hold and use that, then just use highspeed drives for storage, (scsi, SATA, or RAID5 if you want backup and speed) that fact is you will not need a high speed processor to serve and share files.

looking at your specs you want a serious rig for gaming, and possible video/sound editing

your networking setup looks sound, but the specs are overkill unless you other stuff in mind for that box.

dedicated srever can be built for cheap, possbly less than $400

 

[mcveigh]

I recently ordered the following from newegg for a fileserver:

2Ghz celeron
intel 845 mobo w/ all integrated, and gigabit lan.
512MB ram
3ware 8500-4 raid card
2x120GB maxtor hard drives

going to run debian

no comments about it being overkill, it cheap, expandable, and gonna be gigabit

 

[mechBgon]

The Asus A7N266-VM is a stable little board with onboard video and LAN, you might look at that if you happen to have a leftover Duron floating around. Three-year warranty, passive northbridge cooling, takes 200MHz-based or 266MHz-based CPUs and runs great with Crucial PC2100.

Because it runs 24/7, you should probably get something with a good-quality PSU, maybe an Antec SLK3700AMB with the SmartPower 350W PSU. The SLK1600 and 2600 have a cheaper SL300S power supply with what appears to be a single sleeve-bearing fan, while the 350W in the SLK3700AMB appears to be the full dual-fan jobbie. Plus the SLK3700AMB has that yummy 120mm exhaust fan

As for routing, are you feeling that your existing router isn't sufficient? I use the ubiquitous Linksys BEFRS41 and I can block ranges of ports as desired, except I'd like one more range than they offer.

 

[MikeMike]

is anyone here reading my whole post? thats what i thought, your not, please read my whole post, and figure out what i am actually thinking of geting think of some sarcasm as the wink guys!!

well then, i will put the server behind the router and use it there.

help, im sorta a network newb, but i know hardware, so how would i get the other computers to see the hd as "their own"

MIKE

 

[mechBgon]

Hey, I read the whole post You can share the whole hard drive if you want, or just folders on it. Right-click > Sharing and set the Security and Permisisons (I'm assuming NTFS file system here), and presto!

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: mechBgon
Hey, I read the whole post You can share the whole hard drive if you want, or just folders on it. Right-click > Sharing and set the Security and Permisisons (I'm assuming NTFS file system here), and presto!

good boy bgon.

i know how to share it, just need to figure out how to have it be like a part of their computer, not just a server hd, ill figure it out at home. looking at the cost difference between the via cpu, and a cheap amd system.

gotta look at a decent router, see how many printers they have, and maybe find a router w/ a printer port, all depends

MIKE

 

[Sideswipe001]

I'd put this server inside of the router. You really have no reason for it to be a public IP - it would also be much easier to hack on the outside of the router, if someone wanted to do that.

To make the other computers "see the drive as their own" - the only way I know of is to map a network drive to a letter on each of the systems and have it reconnect at boot. (Right click on "my network places" and select "Map network drive" then pick the drive letter you want it to be. I'd just make a folder on the server for the shared files, and map all the computers to that folder.

I use a Netgear router that I really like. If you're already using a switch, you can just get a cheaper 4 port router and chain them together. They charge a lot more for 8 port routers, from what I've seen.

 

[MikeMike]

nope, they dont have any networking equipment in their house, everything will be done when i fly there (ohio to cali )

MIKE

 

[MikeMike]

how does this setup look.....

(yes im lazy, cut and paste)

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(and from svc)

Thermalright SK-6+ Socket A/370 Cooler 9.99

80x25mm 32.5CFM / 28.3dB SVC Ball Bearing 3-pin 2.49

everything will work together right?

and what are your thoughts on the router? this will allow me to use the server to host one printer, and the router to host the other printer.

MIKE

 

[MikeMike]

get back up there, ordering today, need to know if this is worth it for a server.

MIKE

 

[MikeMike]

^

MIKE