December 7: A Date Which Will Live in Infamy

[K1052]

Originally posted by: meltdown75
is it pretty much accepted in the US that this was the main catalyst for the US joining the rest of the Allies in WWII?

if so it could be said that without this evil, WWII could have went a hell of a lot differently.

I assume the US would have eventually stepped up and helped in the efforts eventually though.

We were already involved heavily on the allied side from about 40 thourh Pearl, just not in an overt military capacity.

The Lend Lease act was passed in early 41 to provide weapons and supplies once GB and the other countries were low on cash. Basically this amounted to a multi-billion dollar (in 1940s dollars) gift to the allies to help them hold out.

Our destoyers were escorting convoys about 1/2 to 2/3s of the way across the atlantic and providing information on U-boat movements to the Bitish so they could attack them. These activities got the USS Ruben James (a destroyer) sunk in October of 41 in the North Atlantic.

 

[geecee]

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: meltdown75
is it pretty much accepted in the US that this was the main catalyst for the US joining the rest of the Allies in WWII?

if so it could be said that without this evil, WWII could have went a hell of a lot differently.

I assume the US would have eventually stepped up and helped in the efforts eventually though.

We were already involved heavily on the allied side from about 40 thourh Pearl, just not in an overt military capacity.

The Lend Lease act was passed in early 41 to provide weapons and supplies once GB and the other countries were low on cash. Basically this amounted to a multi-billion dollar (in 1940s dollars) gift to the allies to help them hold out.

Our destoyers were escorting convoys about 1/2 to 2/3s of the way across the atlantic and providing information on U-boat movements to the Bitish so they could attack them. These activities got the USS Ruben James (a destroyer) sunk in October of 41 in the North Atlantic.

thanks for the reply, i try to learn as much WWII history as possible :beer:

 

[Brutuskend]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: meltdown75
is it pretty much accepted in the US that this was the main catalyst for the US joining the rest of the Allies in WWII?

if so it could be said that without this evil, WWII could have went a hell of a lot differently.

I assume the US would have eventually stepped up and helped in the efforts eventually though.

We were already involved heavily on the allied side from about 40 thourh Pearl, just not in an overt military capacity.

The Lend Lease act was passed in early 41 to provide weapons and supplies once GB and the other countries were low on cash. Basically this amounted to a multi-billion dollar (in 1940s dollars) gift to the allies to help them hold out.

Our destoyers were escorting convoys about 1/2 to 2/3s of the way across the atlantic and providing information on U-boat movements to the Bitish so they could attack them. These activities got the USS Ruben James (a destroyer) sunk in October of 41 in the North Atlantic.

Yup. And then we cut off all oil and steel to Japan to try and force them out of China. THAT is why they ultimately attacked Pearl.

 

[radioouman]

I work for a Japanese employer. They are not very friendly today!

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Brutuskend

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: meltdown75
is it pretty much accepted in the US that this was the main catalyst for the US joining the rest of the Allies in WWII?

if so it could be said that without this evil, WWII could have went a hell of a lot differently.

I assume the US would have eventually stepped up and helped in the efforts eventually though.

We were already involved heavily on the allied side from about 40 thourh Pearl, just not in an overt military capacity.

The Lend Lease act was passed in early 41 to provide weapons and supplies once GB and the other countries were low on cash. Basically this amounted to a multi-billion dollar (in 1940s dollars) gift to the allies to help them hold out.

Our destoyers were escorting convoys about 1/2 to 2/3s of the way across the atlantic and providing information on U-boat movements to the Bitish so they could attack them. These activities got the USS Ruben James (a destroyer) sunk in October of 41 in the North Atlantic.

Yup. And then we cut off all oil and steel to Japan to try and force them out of China. THAT is why they ultimately attacked Pearl.

Yes, FDR certainly knew something would happen as a result of the embargo just not where and when.

 

[jadinolf]

Originally posted by: leftyman
My mom still tells me how she remembers hearing this on the radio. my Dad enlisted in the army that summer after graduating from High School and ended up in the Pacific Campaign.

I remember that day well. Anyone who was around at the time could never forget it.

I was 7 years old and had never heard of the Japanese or of Pearl Harbor but for the next four years we were kept up on our geography.

 

[leftyman]

Originally posted by: jadinolf

Originally posted by: leftyman
My mom still tells me how she remembers hearing this on the radio. my Dad enlisted in the army that summer after graduating from High School and ended up in the Pacific Campaign.

I remember that day well. Anyone who was around at the time could never forget it.

I was 7 years old and had never heard of the Japanese or of Pearl Harbor but for the next four years we were kept up on our geography.

and i thought i was one of the older ATOT's 😉

 

[GalvanizedYankee]

My Father was just finishing his morning shave when the first bombs dropped. He was a Junior Officer on the USS San Francisco. My Mother,a RN, was one of many civilian medical staff tending wounded after the second strike.

My Father never fed a hatred for the Nipponese ppl after the conflict. By the time he retired in'59 he had an understanding of and appreciation for the Japanese culture. He could not embrace Noh theater, as that was a bit much for him 😀

If a detailed History of the 1930s is read, one will find several instances where we did try to provoke an incident just as Nippon did with it's Manchurian incident. The Machurian incident was the basis for Nippon's reign of terror on China.

Read the books authered by John W. Dower, War Without Mercy. It relates the racist propaganda used by both combatants to motivate their civilian populations.
Embracing Defeat, covers post war Japan.

Eagel Against The Sun does a good job of covering the Pacific Theater in one volume.

12/07/41 is remembered by this household long after both my parents passed.

Imperial Japanese Navy..This site maybe of interest to a few.


...Galvanized

 

[jadinolf]

Originally posted by: leftyman

Originally posted by: jadinolf

Originally posted by: leftyman
My mom still tells me how she remembers hearing this on the radio. my Dad enlisted in the army that summer after graduating from High School and ended up in the Pacific Campaign.

I remember that day well. Anyone who was around at the time could never forget it.

I was 7 years old and had never heard of the Japanese or of Pearl Harbor but for the next four years we were kept up on our geography.

and i thought i was one of the older ATOT's 😉

I hope that I have that honor. 😉

 

[miri]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Brutuskend

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: meltdown75
is it pretty much accepted in the US that this was the main catalyst for the US joining the rest of the Allies in WWII?

if so it could be said that without this evil, WWII could have went a hell of a lot differently.

I assume the US would have eventually stepped up and helped in the efforts eventually though.

We were already involved heavily on the allied side from about 40 thourh Pearl, just not in an overt military capacity.

The Lend Lease act was passed in early 41 to provide weapons and supplies once GB and the other countries were low on cash. Basically this amounted to a multi-billion dollar (in 1940s dollars) gift to the allies to help them hold out.

Our destoyers were escorting convoys about 1/2 to 2/3s of the way across the atlantic and providing information on U-boat movements to the Bitish so they could attack them. These activities got the USS Ruben James (a destroyer) sunk in October of 41 in the North Atlantic.

Yup. And then we cut off all oil and steel to Japan to try and force them out of China. THAT is why they ultimately attacked Pearl.

Yes, FDR certainly knew something would happen as a result of the embargo just not where and when.

Very smart not to dock the aircraft carriers in Pearl Harbor.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: miri

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Brutuskend

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: meltdown75
is it pretty much accepted in the US that this was the main catalyst for the US joining the rest of the Allies in WWII?

if so it could be said that without this evil, WWII could have went a hell of a lot differently.

I assume the US would have eventually stepped up and helped in the efforts eventually though.

We were already involved heavily on the allied side from about 40 thourh Pearl, just not in an overt military capacity.

The Lend Lease act was passed in early 41 to provide weapons and supplies once GB and the other countries were low on cash. Basically this amounted to a multi-billion dollar (in 1940s dollars) gift to the allies to help them hold out.

Our destoyers were escorting convoys about 1/2 to 2/3s of the way across the atlantic and providing information on U-boat movements to the Bitish so they could attack them. These activities got the USS Ruben James (a destroyer) sunk in October of 41 in the North Atlantic.

Yup. And then we cut off all oil and steel to Japan to try and force them out of China. THAT is why they ultimately attacked Pearl.

Yes, FDR certainly knew something would happen as a result of the embargo just not where and when.

Very smart not to dock the aircraft carriers in Pearl Harbor.

Though they did happen to be at sea during the attack.😉

I don't think the military seriously thought that Japan was willing and able to execute an effective attack on Pearl. Other US possessions like the Philippines, Wake, and Guam seemed more likely targets.

 

[leftyman]

Originally posted by: jadinolf

Originally posted by: leftyman

Originally posted by: jadinolf

Originally posted by: leftyman
My mom still tells me how she remembers hearing this on the radio. my Dad enlisted in the army that summer after graduating from High School and ended up in the Pacific Campaign.

I remember that day well. Anyone who was around at the time could never forget it.

I was 7 years old and had never heard of the Japanese or of Pearl Harbor but for the next four years we were kept up on our geography.

and i thought i was one of the older ATOT's 😉

I hope that I have that honor. 😉

if not, im sure your in the top 10 or so 😀

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: miri

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Brutuskend

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: meltdown75
is it pretty much accepted in the US that this was the main catalyst for the US joining the rest of the Allies in WWII?

if so it could be said that without this evil, WWII could have went a hell of a lot differently.

I assume the US would have eventually stepped up and helped in the efforts eventually though.

We were already involved heavily on the allied side from about 40 thourh Pearl, just not in an overt military capacity.

The Lend Lease act was passed in early 41 to provide weapons and supplies once GB and the other countries were low on cash. Basically this amounted to a multi-billion dollar (in 1940s dollars) gift to the allies to help them hold out.

Our destoyers were escorting convoys about 1/2 to 2/3s of the way across the atlantic and providing information on U-boat movements to the Bitish so they could attack them. These activities got the USS Ruben James (a destroyer) sunk in October of 41 in the North Atlantic.

Yup. And then we cut off all oil and steel to Japan to try and force them out of China. THAT is why they ultimately attacked Pearl.

Yes, FDR certainly knew something would happen as a result of the embargo just not where and when.

Very smart not to dock the aircraft carriers in Pearl Harbor.

Bull Halsey was a hell of an Admiral. Like most baby boomers I remember when this day seemed as important to remember as 9/11 is today. My parents generation were amazingly tough people.

 

[RaDragon]

"Lest we forget"

 

[rodneyxiii]

I'm glad to see that there are people that remember what was one of the most important dates in the 20th century. Goog job people.