Death, terror in N. Korea gulag

[Grasshopper27]

This should not be allowed to happen. "Soverign" borders should be no protection for such behavior.

I believe the United States and the free world as a whole has a moral obligation to stop this, by whatever means nessesary.

MSNBC

In the far north of North Korea, in remote locations not far from the borders with China and Russia, a gulag not unlike the worst labor camps built by Mao and Stalin in the last century holds some 200,000 men, women and children accused of political crimes. A month-long investigation by NBC News, including interviews with former prisoners, guards and U.S. and South Korean officials, revealed the horrifying conditions these people must endure ? conditions that shock even those North Koreans accustomed to the near-famine conditions of Kim Jong Il?s realm.

Hopper

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

Pretty messed up stuff. I think the UN has an obligation to at least look into it.
But it's certainly not the responsibility of the US alone.

This struck me as funny (yes I am a heartless bastard who can be amused by one sentence in the middle of horrific details)

?All of North Korea is a gulag,? said one senior U.S. official, noting that as many as 2 million people have died of starvation while Kim has amassed the world?s largest collection of Daffy Duck cartoons. ?It?s just that these people [in the camps] are treated the worst. No one knows for sure how many people are in the camps, but 200,000 is consistent with our best guess.

Bahahahaha. This Kim guy must identify with looney toons.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Grasshopper27
This should not be allowed to happen. "Soverign" borders should be no protection for such behavior. I believe the United States and the free world as a whole has a moral obligation to stop this, by whatever means nessesary. MSNBC

In the far north of North Korea, in remote locations not far from the borders with China and Russia, a gulag not unlike the worst labor camps built by Mao and Stalin in the last century holds some 200,000 men, women and children accused of political crimes. A month-long investigation by NBC News, including interviews with former prisoners, guards and U.S. and South Korean officials, revealed the horrifying conditions these people must endure ? conditions that shock even those North Koreans accustomed to the near-famine conditions of Kim Jong Il?s realm.

Hopper

Tis bad. Now how do you propose to liberate the North Koreans without killing them? Remember, many in the military are there because that gets them and their family food. Kill the soldiers, and you are killing the people. Be interested to see your solution.

 

[spaceman]

thats truly disgusting.

 

[KGB1]

Kill the soldiers, and you are killing the people.

Wise words young Grasshopper... you have much to learn yet.

Of course when you kill soldiers you kill people. And don't tell me it means in "another" sense. What you said is what you said.

N. Korea is S. Korea's problem, and Asia. Once they threathen everyone else with nukes, I'll look into it also. I'm sure most N Koreans are fed up with their regim, but thye think nothing can be done about it. Its S Korea's main objective to either unite with the North and work into a republic electoral country or be dealt with in other means.

 

[Grasshopper27]

Short term violance is better than long term suffering.

If we had done something about North Korea back in 1994, those 2 million people would not have died.

Since we're not likely to kill 2 million people in a war, fewer people would have died had we attacked North Korea in 1994.

Hopper

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Grasshopper27
Short term violance is better than long term suffering. If we had done something about North Korea back in 1994, those 2 million people would not have died. Since we're not likely to kill 2 million people in a war, fewer people would have died had we attacked North Korea in 1994. Hopper

We did not attack in 1994. Isnt hindsight a wonderful thing? What if we did not attack and this wasnt going to happen? Then the US would have been guilting of killing how many thousands? Of course this is tragic, but it happened. What child would you leave fatherless? Would you have cut the baby in two without thinking, Solomon?

 

[Centaur6]

This is madness. We need to help these people.

 

[Kadarin]

Are they sure it's an internment camp, and not a Soylent Green factory?

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Thank God we'll be bombing Iraq soon.

 

[burek]

lol! The propaganda continues for American sheep. You Americans believe everything your govenment controlled media tells you dont you?

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: burek
lol! The propaganda continues for American sheep. You Americans believe everything your govenment controlled media tells you dont you?

As opposed to the free press in, say, Iraq and North Korea, perhaps?

 

[no0b]

Since we're not likely to kill 2 million people in a war,

watch us.

It will not surprise me if war with N Korea will cost over 1 million lives.

 

[Grasshopper27]

Originally posted by: Centaur6
This is madness. We need to help these people.

I feel that if you have the ability to stop it, and you don't, you're just as responsible as the people actually doing it.

I think Bush said something similar about terrorists last year.

We're responsible if we don't put a stop to it.

Hopper

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Grasshopper27

Originally posted by: Centaur6
This is madness. We need to help these people.

I feel that if you have the ability to stop it, and you don't, you're just as responsible as the people actually doing it.

I think Bush said something similar about terrorists last year.

We're responsible if we don't put a stop to it.

Hopper

If that article is truly legitimate and widespread exists what was mentioned in a few of those cases I agree. This sort of thing makes a person want to grab a rifle and go kick some ass. It's so wrong that a few (NK regime) would have the power to destroy the lives of such a great many. I think the right of the people to govern themselves is truly one of the most important things a person can have.

 

[Anubis]

it is a Gulag no less. not a place you take a faimly on vacation. what more did you expect?

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

Originally posted by: burek
lol! The propaganda continues for American sheep. You Americans believe everything your govenment controlled media tells you dont you?

Is this the same 'goverment controlled media' that has invesitgated, hounded, and shamed various Presidents and thier administrations over the years (some to the point of near impeachment)?
The same media that Nixon blamed in part for his downfall? The same media that made Clinton's last few years about nothing more than Monica and blowjobs?

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: FrancesBeansRevenge

Originally posted by: burek
lol! The propaganda continues for American sheep. You Americans believe everything your govenment controlled media tells you dont you?

Is this the same 'goverment controlled media' that has invesitgated, hounded, and shamed various Presidents and thier administrations over the years (some to the point of near impeachment)?
The same media that Nixon blamed in part for his downfall? The same media that made Clinton's last few years about nothing more than Monica and blowjobs?

Touche!

 

[burek]

FrancesBeansRevenge

Thoose are all internal matters, when it comes to foreign policy your media follows your government agenda.

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

Originally posted by: burek
FrancesBeansRevenge

Thoose are all internal matters, when it comes to foreign policy your media follows your government agenda.

So, the US media are only 'controlled' when it comes to foreign policy matters?
They must have a switch on thier back.

BTW, according to your assertion there was universal support in the US media for the Vietnam war then eh?
There shouldn't have been any dissenting opinion if the US media is goverment controlled on foreign policy matters.

Do you have some sort of information/proof that the claims in this articles are false and/or a creation of the US goverment?

Can you give me some reasons your viewpoint is any more credible than that of US media?

Just curious.

 

[308nato]

Originally posted by: burek
FrancesBeansRevenge

Thoose are all internal matters, when it comes to foreign policy your media follows your government agenda.

Jane you poor misguided slut.

I believe you are the victim of agenda's and disinformation. Not us.

 

[nord1899]

Originally posted by: Grasshopper27

Originally posted by: Centaur6
This is madness. We need to help these people.

I feel that if you have the ability to stop it, and you don't, you're just as responsible as the people actually doing it.

I think Bush said something similar about terrorists last year.

We're responsible if we don't put a stop to it.

Hopper

Read Black Hawk Down by Mark Bowden (read the book, not watch the movie). Read some of the commentary from the Somali's and the Rangers and Deltas that were there. It makes you think twice before doing these "Humanitarian" missions with military force.

 

[Scarpozzi]

I think it's amazing that I had never heard of these labor camps before we started having problems with N Korea's nuclear program's rebirth.... If they're so bad, we should have heard about them a long time ago...and though we probably did....grrrr!!!

I hate it when the US media tries to make us believe that a country or leader is BAD! I'm not saying I support them or anything they do, but I hope someone sees my point. I hate hearing about crap that the US can't change anyway... There's a chance we'll oust Saddam shortly, but that will never happen in N Korea....China won't allow it.

 

[ElFenix]

i think china, the south koreans, and japan need to step up to the plate on this one.

 

[Chris A]

This is truly sad...